Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[deroc5050]

nothing but glorified hand-offs.......the lowest yards per completion in the league

And quite honestly painful to watch Sam play QB this year.. 3 yrd pass.. 3 yrd pass.. 3 yrd pass punt

 

[deroc5050]

I really don't care as long as the Pats get great value.

First, we have no idea if Garoppolo is even going to be a good never mind great starter. People are assuming way too much with this guy. He has a high ceiling, but also a low floor.

Second, we are seeing with Andrew Luck that a poor organization can destroy a quality QB (David Carr comes to mind too or even the Pats with Tony Eason who looked to be turning into a decent QB until he got shell shocked one season). Luck has progressively gotten worse over the years after a strong first few years. This may statistically be one of his better years, but he has been really uneven if you actually watched him play.

I have seen enough, he is definitely going to be good. I would rather not trade him .. I wish we could keep him but Brady at age 40 next year is still showing no signs of slowing down..

You just can't trade Brady.. I think even Bill would go against his whats best for the football team. And ride Brady until he doesn't want to or cant compete anymore. I don't think Kraft would allow Brady to be moved, I think he would step in.

I don't want Jimmy in the AFC East and preferably out of conference.

Because of timelines and contracts you have to trade Jimmy this year. You can get the most value in return.

 

[XLIX]

sorry......sellers market for someone like garoppolo

otherwise, why help another team get better? Reuben Foster? Garoppolo is worth a f*ck of a ton more than that

Not to us. Especially considering we lose him in a year for nothing otherwise.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I really don't care as long as the Pats get great value.

First, we have no idea if Garoppolo is even going to be a good never mind great starter. People are assuming way too much with this guy. He has a high ceiling, but also a low floor.

Second, we are seeing with Andrew Luck that a poor organization can destroy a quality QB (David Carr comes to mind too or even the Pats with Tony Eason who looked to be turning into a decent QB until he got shell shocked one season).

Luck has progressively gotten worse over the years after a strong first few years. This may statistically be one of his better years, but he has been really uneven if you actually watched him play.

Luck still has problems reading defenses, calling the protections, and read-progression. His accuracy is average. His athletic ability is getting him by.

Tony Eason was the laziest SoB to walk though Foxboro. He wouldn't last a week under BB.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I have seen enough, he is definitely going to be good. I would rather not trade him .. I wish we could keep him but Brady at age 40 next year is still showing no signs of slowing down..

You just can't trade Brady.. I think even Bill would go against his whats best for the football team. And ride Brady until he doesn't want to or cant compete anymore. I don't think Kraft would allow Brady to be moved, I think he would step in.

I don't want Jimmy in the AFC East and preferably out of conference.

Because of timelines and contracts you have to trade Jimmy this year. You can get the most value in return.

Trade him and draft a QB to compete with brissett. Maybe Kaaya. I know his stock has dropped but he can be available in the 3rd round. He was getting top 5 consideration until he had a couple of bad games. Off course i am saying this because i am a miami hurricanes fan. Lol. My other guy would be mahomes but i don't think he will be available in the 3rd round.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Luck still has problems reading defenses, calling the protections, and read-progression. His accuracy is average. His athletic ability is getting him by.

Tony Eason was the laziest SoB to walk though Foxboro. He wouldn't last a week under BB.

Yes. Even when he had a good protection he was making some horrible decisions.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes. Even when he had a good protection he was making some horrible decisions.

They are brutal.

 

[Rob0729]

I have seen enough, he is definitely going to be good. I would rather not trade him .. I wish we could keep him but Brady at age 40 next year is still showing no signs of slowing down..

You just can't trade Brady.. I think even Bill would go against his whats best for the football team. And ride Brady until he doesn't want to or cant compete anymore. I don't think Kraft would allow Brady to be moved, I think he would step in.

I don't want Jimmy in the AFC East and preferably out of conference.

Because of timelines and contracts you have to trade Jimmy this year. You can get the most value in return.

You have seen 5 1/2 quarters of him playing meaningful football. If you have seen enough to know he has been really good, you have shown you are qualified to be the GM of the Cleveland Browns. You can't know what he is based on what we saw. We haven't even seen a team game plan for him specifically to exploit his weaknesses.

At this point, Garoppolo could be elite or out of the League in three years or anywhere in between. We have no idea what he is. I just hope that there are GMs out there as confident about him as many on this board.

 

[deroc5050]

You have seen 5 1/2 quarters of him playing meaningful football. If you have seen enough to know he has been really good, you have shown you are qualified to be the GM of the Cleveland Browns. You can't know what he is based on what we saw. We haven't even seen a team game plan for him specifically to exploit his weaknesses.

At this point, Garoppolo could be elite or out of the League in three years or anywhere in between. We have no idea what he is. I just hope that there are GMs out there as confident about him as many on this board.

Well technically your right but if you asked me to judge him the only major concern I would have about Jimmy is can he stay healthy. He has a quick release, he throws a nice deep ball and has fluid mechanics. As far as the Cleveland Browns GM I would gladly take that position. And I wouldn't mind making Jimmy my starting QB in 2017 and giving up the Eagles 1st round draft pick and I would even throw in a mid round pick also.

The guy can play QB and we will find out next year.

 

[kennyb]

look at it this way......QB's stand to be 2 of the top 3 picks (9ers and Bears) with Trubisky and Kizer

this sets the bar with Garoppolo being worth AT LEAST one of those picks PLUS a 3rd or 4th.......and you can look at that both ways.......if all you are getting at #2 or #3, then the value of those picks is somewhat suspect......

Garoppolo with a cheap year still ahead is worth more than anyone available in the draft

JG has a cheap year. Draft picks have 4 relatively cheap years.

JG is unproven, as are draft picks. But if he's good his salary skyrockets after one year.

 

[supafly]

Not to us. Especially considering we lose him in a year for nothing otherwise.

Because of timelines and contracts you have to trade Jimmy this year. You can get the most value in return.

The team is scheduled to have approx. 65m in available cap space this offseason. I'm guessing there's a decent chance they'll be carrying some of that into 2018, where the cap will go up even more.

There's no reason to believe that they can't carry a tag/trade salary for a couple weeks, should they choose to. They may want to wait another year while having a solid backup before making a decision, and it could also allow them to showcase JG for another preseason. I'm not saying that the odds of this happening are great, but it shouldn't be automatically dismissed, either.

 

[supafly]

You have seen 5 1/2 quarters of him playing meaningful football. If you have seen enough to know he has been really good, you have shown you are qualified to be the GM of the Cleveland Browns. You can't know what he is based on what we saw. We haven't even seen a team game plan for him specifically to exploit his weaknesses.

At this point, Garoppolo could be elite or out of the League in three years or anywhere in between. We have no idea what he is. I just hope that there are GMs out there as confident about him as many on this board.

Shhhhh....

Three firsts, a second, and Larry Fitzgerald. You can even throw in Adam Seward if you want.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

JG has a cheap year. Draft picks have 4 relatively cheap years.

JG is unproven, as are draft picks. But if he's good his salary skyrockets after one year.

4 relatively cheap years only matter if you don't draft Christian Ponder or EJ Manuel or Johnny Manziel. You could get a dozen cheap years out of those guys but who cares?

There's no guarantee Jimmy will be any better or worse, and he doesn't have a ton of tape, but he's far more proven than any draft pick. Not only does he have film against real live NFL competition, but he's also learned a pro style offense, which is more than you can say about most of these spread QBs.

If you're drafting one of those kids, you're hoping he can learn to take a snap from under center and throw on 3-5-7 step drops or that he can learn a complicated offense with a real playbook, or you can get a guy like Jimmy who has already gone through all of that and proven he can do it against real NFL players. You can dismiss his NFL track record all you want, but it's far more than all of the draftable QBs will have combined before teams take them.

 

[XLIX]

The team is scheduled to have approx. 65m in available cap space this offseason. I'm guessing there's a decent chance they'll be carrying some of that into 2018, where the cap will go up even more.

There's no reason to believe that they can't carry a tag/trade salary for a couple weeks, should they choose to. They may want to wait another year while having a solid backup before making a decision, and it could also allow them to showcase JG for another preseason. I'm not saying that the odds of this happening are great, but it shouldn't be automatically dismissed, either.

If they do that, his trade value is lower than it will be this offseason. His value will never be higher than it is now.

 

[deroc5050]

According to Andy Heart on CSNE the Pats at best would get a late round 1st pick for Jimmy G. And more likely a high 2nd round pick... Sorry doesnt make sense to me.. Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick and is developed.. I don't understand why you can't get a high 1st round pick for him. Or a late round first and a third / 4th round pick..

 

[IllegalContact]

I really don't care as long as the Pats get great value.

First, we have no idea if Garoppolo is even going to be a good never mind great starter. People are assuming way too much with this guy. He has a high ceiling, but also a low floor.

Second, we are seeing with Andrew Luck that a poor organization can destroy a quality QB (David Carr comes to mind too or even the Pats with Tony Eason who looked to be turning into a decent QB until he got shell shocked one season). Luck has progressively gotten worse over the years after a strong first few years. This may statistically be one of his better years, but he has been really uneven if you actually watched him play.

Like I said.....for what? There's no player worth as much or will make as big a difference as garoppolo....maybe you saw nothing, but I thought in his time on the field he showed positive big time.....you'd be an idiot to lump him in with osweiler and there's a huge shortage of even decent qbs in the league....he makes all but 2 of the afc playoff teams better

 

[XLIX]

According to Andy Heart on CSNE the Pats at best would get a late round 1st pick for Jimmy G. And more likely a high 2nd round pick... Sorry doesnt make sense to me.. Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick and is developed.. I don't understand why you can't get a high 1st round pick for him. Or a late round first and a third / 4th round pick..

Because he only has 1 year left on his rookie contract.

 

[deroc5050]

Because he only has 1 year left on his rookie contract.

If teams are going to give up a 1st round pick for Jimmy G then they clearly think he is a starting QB. Starting QB's make 20 mil a year. So you get a 4th year player that has skills for 1 year on the cheap, and you can also let him play the full season and if your still not convinced or if you dont want to lose him for whatever reason you could franchise him. So basically you have 2 full seasons to decide whether or not you want to lock him up for a long term deal. I guarentee we get a high 1st round pic for him.. or we will get a high 2nd, a high 3rd and maybe swap 5th round picks. Regardless the draft capital will at least add up to a top 10 pick in the 1st round.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Because he only has 1 year left on his rookie contract.

We just saw Sam Bradford get traded for a 1st and a 4th despite having 0 years on his rookie contract. Carson Palmer before that. Jay Cutler was dealt while on an expensive rookie deal pre-rookie cap days, and negotiated a large extension before ever playing a game. Schaub was a RFA and traded and signed a big extension before playing a game.

I'm not suggesting these are good deals. But there are precedents for trading for a QB despite not having cheap years on their contract, so people need to stop pointing that out like it's an automatic deal breaker when clearly it isn't. QB is the most important position in the game, and we've seen teams take huge chances to try and find the right guy there, more than any other position.

Plus I'd rather have a good market value QB than a terrible cheap one locked up for 4 years.

 

[XLIX]

If teams are going to give up a 1st round pick for Jimmy G then they clearly think he is a starting QB. Starting QB's make 20 mil a year. So you get a 4th year player that has skills for 1 year on the cheap

Having a player for 1 year on the cheap is nice, but not as nice as having a player locked in for 2/3/4 more years on the cheap.

and you can also let him play the full season and if your still not convinced or if you dont want to lose him for whatever reason you could franchise him. So basically you have 2 full seasons to decide whether or not you want to lock him up for a long term deal. I guarentee we get a high 1st round pic for him.. or we will get a high 2nd, a high 3rd and maybe swap 5th round picks. Regardless the draft capital will at least add up to a top 10 pick in the 1st round.

There is no planet where 1 year of low-cost certainty is better than 4/5 years of low-cost certainty.

You have 1 season before you have to start paying him huge dollars, either via the franchise tag (which tends to make players unhappy) or a large deal. That hurts his present-day trade value. I'm not saying it destroys his trade value, just that it hurts it.