Would you trade Gronk for a 1st round pick, this offseason?

[RobertWeathers]

Felger said no
Troy said yes
Breer said yes

Troy is better than that...

 

[dafoe2016]

Rob Gronkowski

There is less than zero chance that Gronk's $7 million cap hit gets traded. His value to the team is simply too high for that money.

After next season, when his cap hit reaches $11 million, all bets will be off.

At that point he will be far less tradable. It's like the Rondo situation. The longer they wait, the less they will get for him. I'm not saying they should trade him. But if they got an amazing offer for a guy that can't stay on the field they would be stupid not to take it. There is an outside chance his career is over.

 

[dafoe2016]

Troy is better than that...

So one of the greatest, classiest Patriots of all time needs to agree with every opinion you have or he is somehow "bad"? Very mature. Show some respect.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It doesn't work that way. You can't just take his durability out of the equation. If not for that he wouldn't be on the block to begin with. The same thing with, let's say- Demarcus Cousins over in the NBA. His maturity and character issues. That factors into how much the Kings can get for him. If he had the temperament of Tim Duncan there is no way in hell he would be available in a trade. Everything matters.

He's not on the block now. If a team is inquiring they will need to pry him loose. This is not a fire sale situation

After his surgery, Gronk will be given a clean bill of health and has no physical limitations.

He is under a very favorable team deal. That also has value.

He is the best tight end since forever and is in his prime.

2 1st rounders

 

[dafoe2016]

At this point it is not improbable that you won't even get a single first round pick for Gronk. He is at his lowest value in years given that he just had his third (!!) back surgery and is one bad landing/hit away from retirement.

The entire thread is just stupid at this point and just shows how people don't understand how trade value works. You want a worthwhile return on Gronk ? Then you should have traded him after the SB win and not when he played in only a handful games and ended up on IR. But of course if he has another great season in 2017 then we are not allowed to have a discussion like that because "why trade him when he is playing well".

When the injury first happened, the doctor that did his second disc surgery said he would not be surprised if this was career ending and that few players are ever the same after two, let alone three, disc surgeries. This reminds me of the Terry Glenn situation. At a certain point, I just stopped expecting him to be on the field. Like Gronk, he was a huge difference maker for our offense. Maybe even more so. But eventually I came to peace with the fact that I should not expect him to be on the field. If Gronk can come back and contribute, great. But I've already moved on. This is the team we have. It's good enough to win a Super Bowl. If we somehow fall short of that I don't think Gronk's absence is a reasonable excuse. As far as I'm concerned I don't expect him to be part of our future.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Gronk is the #1 tight end of all time imo. You don't just trade that away. I would extend Bennet for sure though. We need that 1B insurance policy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

At this point it is not improbable that you won't even get a single first round pick for Gronk. He is at his lowest value in years given that he just had his third (!!) back surgery and is one bad landing/hit away from retirement.

The entire thread is just stupid at this point and just shows how people don't understand how trade value works. You want a worthwhile return on Gronk ? Then you should have traded him after the SB win and not when he played in only a handful games and ended up on IR. But of course if he has another great season in 2017 then we are not allowed to have a discussion like that because "why trade him when he is playing well".

His back surgery was by NFL standards routine and will be given a clean bill of health by OTAs

 

[RobertWeathers]

So one of the greatest, classiest Patriots of all time needs to agree with every opinion you have or he is somehow "bad"? Very mature. Show some respect.

Troy is in the media now.

I owe him nothing and neither do you.

He is fair game for criticism.

Trading Gronk is dumb on multiple levels.

 

[dafoe2016]

"He's not on the block now."
I was speaking hypothetically

"If a team is inquiring they will need to pry him loose. This is not a fire sale situation"

Says who? That entirely dependant on the situation. This is a team that gave up one of the best guards in the game for a TE they dodn't even want.

"After his surgery, Gronk will be given a clean bill of health and has no physical limitations."

You couldn't possibly know that. The doctor that performed his second disc surgery said that his career might very well be finished. I suspect he knows more about sports medicine then either of us.

"He is under a very favorable team deal. That also has value."

Of course it does. That's a huge piece of leverage that works in the Patriots' favor.

"He is the best tight end since forever and is in his prime."

Sure, he's the best TE right now. But he's also banged up and has an injury history. That matters. You can't know with any degree of certainty that a guy coming off three disc surgeries is in his prime. He could be finished or he might never be the same player again. We have no idea. And neither would any team trading for him.

"2 1st rounders"
Repeating nonsense does not cause it to make sense. This the same sort of pigheadedness that prevents Ainge from pulling off any trades. He wont trade with anyone or budge from his ground. He wants to fleece them or no deal. The other GM is smart too. They are not going to just let you screw them. There has to be some give and take. An injury prone TE is not worth 2 1st round picks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fix your formatting please.

 

[PF_SU]

Bennet has already turned down a lot of money. How much do want to pay a TE who isn't in the top three at his position? Floyd is a scumbag. Even if you are willing to overlook that he was not good in Arizona this year. The jury is still out on him. And if the Pats re-sign him Roger will up his suspension from 1 or 2 games to 8. Because who's going to stop him? Gronk will be out or hobbled by the time the playoffs roll around.

Let me get this straight, you want Gronk, Bennett, Floyd all gone. What's your replacement solution?

 

[1960Pats]

I meant moreso the answer could be more clear after our playoff run. If we won the SB with our current offense looking great then the possibility of trading Gronk would make more sense than it does now.

I was being facetious about the thread timing. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way.

My complaint with this thread is just the idea of trading Gronk. That's the silly part to me, especially when the compensation is going to be draft picks. There are plenty of those that don't pan out.

The other thing to consider is that Gronk will be even more valuable when Brady's guh... guh... guh... gone. The new QB would be much better off with Gronk as a target.

 

[PP2]

Who is JAG? Garapollo? No way in hell Browns are giving up two firsts for him. First pick in the draft? Even they aren't that dumb.
Bennet has already turned down a lot of money. How much do want to pay a TE who isn't in the top three at his position? Floyd is a scumbag. Even if you are willing to overlook that he was not good in Arizona this year. The jury is still out on him. And if the Pats re-sign him Roger will up his suspension from 1 or 2 games to 8. Because who's going to stop him? Gronk will be out or hobbled by the time the playoffs roll around.

If Bill believes that Jimmy can be an above average QB for this team for the next 10-15 years I think Brady is the one to go. If not, I think he trades him and (knowing that QB will be a weakness once Brady goes) starts focusing on building a shutdown defense.

Bennett turned down an one-year deal. He wants more security than that. He loves it here so I really doubt it's about money.

 

[1960Pats]

>>We have a playoff bye week this year

this year?

try all years

How about mostly all years? I don't want to jinx them in the future.

 

[1960Pats]

Because players who can't stay on the field are useless, no matter how talented. Some guys' bodies are built to tolerate punishment and some guys' bodies aren't. Gronk's clearly is not

The guy in maroon is Gronk...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bennett turned down an one-year deal. He wants more security than that. He loves it here so I really doubt it's about money.

I believe players do not care about the length of a deal. Ultimately they care about the guaranteed dollars and being paid a fair market value.

Based on what they offered him I think money is all it's about and he's looking for more up-front, guaranteed$

 

[Huckleberry1]

I would package him and Brady for a couple 1sts in a second.

Troll

 

[PP2]

I believe players do not care about the length of a deal. Ultimately they care about the guaranteed dollars and being paid a fair market value.

Based on what they offered him I think money is all it's about and he's looking for more up-front, guaranteed$

Good point.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I would like to point out a HUGE point here that we are all missing...



The reason Gronk is injured this year is due to the Madden Curse.


As long as he doesn't appear on any more John Madden game covers, he's going to be just fine!

 

[mgcolby]

Ah....em....ah...NO!!!

In the mortle words of funny man...I wish I had two more hands so I could give this thread FOUR thumbs down!!!