Gus Bradley For DC

[Observer]

Patricia should be next head coach of the Pats

 

[VrabelJr]

I think we can get a 1st rounder for Matt Cassel. Thoughts?

 

[Pats1989]

Patricia should be next head coach of the Pats

Nope. Prefer someone with prior HC experience.

 

[luuked]

I doubt Patricia gets a HC gig right now. Maybe in 3-4 years

In a league where Jim Bob Cooter is considered for HCs jobs there is no reason to think that Patricia won't have any suitors..

 

[luuked]

Nope. Prefer someone with prior HC experience. I'm not even totally sold on him as a great DC.

So let me get this straight.. the Patriots organization which is a well-oiled machine essentially fully architected by BB since 2001 who has almost exclusively hired/promoted from within is the wrong place to look for a successor.



The second facepalm is for doubting Patricia.. but I guess you'd prefer a more successful DC who has won more SBs recently.. right ?

 

[Pats1989]

So let me get this straight.. the Patriots organization which is a well-oiled machine essentially fully architected by BB since 2001 who has almost exclusively hired/promoted from within is the wrong place to look for a successor.



The second facepalm is for doubting Patricia.. but I guess you'd prefer a more successful DC who has won more SBs recently.. right ?

His D certainly wasn't responsible for that SB. Yes Butler made the key play, however it doesn't come to that unless Brady pulls his magic. Brady got us that SB win. Nobody can dispute that.

 

[luuked]

His D certainly wasn't responsible for that SB. Yes Butler made the key play, however it doesn't come to that unless Brady pulls his magic. Brady got us that SB win. Nobody can dispute that.

I don't wanna post another facepalm picture even though you deserve it.

The SB was a full team win, neither the offense nor the defense were "the responsible" party. The defense shut Seattle down for almost 3 quarters while Brady was throwing 2 INTs. Without the defense playing so outstanding starting at the end of the third quarter there is no comeback that Brady can lead.

You are just being revisionist..

 

[Ring 6]

Of course I hope he stays, but put yourself in MP's position and I doubt he sees it the same way as you do. Getting a HC gig will boost his salary and his image by a factor of ten. There's probably not much left to do as DC of NEP, it'll largely be more of the same. What's the down side? Almost every HC gets a 2 year shot and usually has at least one extra year on the contract. If it all goes badly like it did for Josh, he'll still be richer, wiser, and a strong candidate for a DC gig in a few years. It seems BB has no succession plan in place so there's no particular reason to stay around here, unless he just really enjoys the gig and doesn't want the pressure of being a HC, but most people in his position are looking to become HC.

Coaches always take HC jobs. They do not turn them down because the team is bad.
Any coach worth hiring believes he can take over any roster in the NFL and quickly turn them into winners.
The exceptions are if ownership will not let you do what you need to or if you think the GM you will work for is incompetamt.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Why is he not ready?

His beard is too unruly.

 

[RobertWeathers]

His beard is too unruly.

He should braid it.

 

[Joey007]

Gus will get a job.

Just not here.

 

[mgteich]

I doubt Patricia gets a HC gig right now. Maybe in 3-4 years

I think that Patricia could certainly get a HC job. The open question is whether there is a job that he will take (or "should" take).

The selfish among us would like our coordinators to leave when Brady leaves.

 

[mgteich]

Coaches always take HC jobs. They do not turn them down because the team is bad.
Any coach worth hiring believes he can take over any roster in the NFL and quickly turn them into winners.
The exceptions are if ownership will not let you do what you need to or if you think the GM you will work for is incompetamt.

Are you suggesting that Josh wasn't offered any HC positions last year?

OK, let's look ahead.

It seems very likely that both our coordinators will be offered head coaching jobs. Are you suggesting that both will take them, merely because they are promotions to being a HC?
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Or, perhaps you are saying something less global, that a potential head coach does NOT rule out really lousy teams. I agree with this. HOWEVER, as many have pointed out, the key is often whether the team has a quarterback that the team can build around.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you suggesting that Josh wasn't offered any HC positions last year?

OK, let's look ahead.

It seems very likely that both our coordinators will be offered head coaching jobs. Are you suggesting that both will take them, merely because they are promotions to being a HC?
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Or, perhaps you are saying something less global, that a potential head coach does NOT rule out really lousy teams. I agree with this. HOWEVER, as many have pointed out, the key is often whether the team has a quarterback that the team can build around.

I am saying it is extremely rare for an assistant to turn down a HC job because the team is bad.
Good teams don't hire new coaches very often. Opportunities are rare.
A good coach believes he can win anywhere, with the exceptions I mentioned.
And yes, unless there are issues with ownership, or a constraint such as an incompetent GM McDaniel and Patricia will take the jobs if they are offered. It surely is no certainty that they will be offered, and there is every possibility that in a SB run, they may take themselves out of consideration until the team is done, but they are not turning jobs down because of the perceived talent on the roster.

 

[reflexblue]

He should braid it.

I was thinking more along the line of the Blackbeard look. Braided with burning incense, that'll get players attention.

 

[Pats1989]

I don't wanna post another facepalm picture even though you deserve it.

The SB was a full team win, neither the offense nor the defense were "the responsible" party. The defense shut Seattle down for almost 3 quarters while Brady was throwing 2 INTs. Without the defense playing so outstanding starting at the end of the third quarter there is no comeback that Brady can lead.

You are just being revisionist..

We'll let's look back at that postseason shall we. Who allowed the Ravens to get up two tds on two separate occasions? If it wasn't for Goat, we would've lost. They were bad. Brady carved up the Colts. D could've been mediocre that day and they still win. Nonetheless good job. Now onto Seattle. I'll give you they shut down Seattle after having a ten point lead. I will also point out his D was a Seahawks brain fart ( Still great int) away from letting yet another Brady magical performance go to waste. But oh well. We won.

I don't think every coach under BB is a genius. There is a reason they fail elsewhere. Could it be the only actual "genius" is Bill himself?

No I'm not suggesting he will fail elsewhere. Look at McDaniels, Pioli, etc..

 

[RobertWeathers]

I was thinking more along the line of the Blackbeard look. Braided with burning incense, that'll get players attention.

Arrrgghhh me matey!

 

[PittPatriot]

Of course I hope he stays, but put yourself in MP's position and I doubt he sees it the same way as you do. Getting a HC gig will boost his salary and his image by a factor of ten. There's probably not much left to do as DC of NEP, it'll largely be more of the same. What's the down side? Almost every HC gets a 2 year shot and usually has at least one extra year on the contract. If it all goes badly like it did for Josh, he'll still be richer, wiser, and a strong candidate for a DC gig in a few years. It seems BB has no succession plan in place so there's no particular reason to stay around here, unless he just really enjoys the gig and doesn't want the pressure of being a HC, but most people in his position are looking to become HC.

He would not be stupid to take the opportunity especially if you're thinking in terms of the financial gain. I just don't know if he's ready.
I also think while most coordinator jobs are one step below head coach, defensive coordinator of the New England Patriots is not one of them. BB is very hands-on with the defense. Arguably, Matt Patricia while he may be very good at his job, may not have the same level of autonomy that other coordinators have.

 

[DaBruinz]

Assuming Patricia gets a hc gig, would anybody be against Bradley for DC?

When was the last time the Patriots went outside to hire someone for as Coordinator position?

 

[Ring 6]

When was the last time the Patriots went outside to hire someone for as Coordinator position?

Capers?