Belichick Raving about Garoppolo: Increasing Trade Value or Preparing for the Unthinkable?

[varjao]

Too bad Jimmy hurt himself, I think he would have won 4 games with amazing stats and it would be worth at least 2 first round picks. 6 quarters is not a good sample size though.

 

[JMC00]

Pretty obvious what the intention was here. You know when the jockey whips his horse for the home stretch? Well this is what this was.

 

[Tuck]

I honestly don't think Bill knows what he's going to do otherwise he would have already done it. The smartest thing would be to wait until the off season, see how both players are performing, see what the trade market is then make a decision in the best interest of the club.

I personnaly like the scenario where we keep both guys next year. It's a smart move assuming the team is in position for another ring because Garopollo could win games in the playoffs if it came to that.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If someone's willing to give you a first based on six quarters of play, you take the pick and run.

 

[IllegalContact]

Exactly. Perhaps you didn't notice that I was making the case that the team will more than likely trade him if they get even one first rounder. I'm just not sure if there is a team out there that will give up a first rounder and another pick for him. But, then again, you didn't specify what you think the team will want.



They'll probably be more than likely to go that route if Brady falls off a cliff. Short of that? I think it takes merely a first rounder to ship him out of New England.

he's worth more than a 1st rounder........you can't get that QB in the draft with a first rounder, therefore he is worth more than a 1st rounder....they have deshon kizer going top 5......are you kidding me? garoppolo should be worth 3 1st rounders if that's the case

 

[aluminum seats]

I honestly don't think Bill knows what he's going to do otherwise he would have already done it. The smartest thing would be to wait until the off season

The second part here contradicts the first--the second part is correct.

 

[deroc5050]

If someone's willing to give you a first based on six quarters of play, you take the pick and run.

Not necessarily, I would wait until after the 2017 season and make the decision as to what your gonna do. If Bill is being sincere when he says there is a seamless transition from Brady to Garrapolo.. its not a cut and dry decision. Going into the 2018 season Brady will be 41 at the start of the season and Garrapolo will be 27.

Realistically your going to get 10-11+ years from Garrapolo to most likely 2 years with Brady from 2018 and on...

 

[BradyFTW!]

Not necessarily, I would wait until after the 2017 season and make the decision as to what your gonna do. If Bill is being sincere when he says there is a seamless transition from Brady to Garrapolo.. its not a cut and dry decision. Going into the 2018 season Brady will be 41 at the start of the season and Garrapolo will be 27.

Realistically your going to get 10-11+ years from Garrapolo to most likely 2 years with Brady from 2018 and on...

OTOH, Brady is the MVP frontrunner right now, has shown absolutely no signs of slowing down, and again, Garoppolo has played 6 quarters of meaningful football. If both paths have anywhere even close to equivalent merit, and one gets you a first round pick for good measure, that's the one you take 10 times out of 10.

 

[Kontradiction]

he's worth more than a 1st rounder........you can't get that QB in the draft with a first rounder, therefore he is worth more than a 1st rounder....they have deshon kizer going top 5......are you kidding me? garoppolo should be worth 3 1st rounders if that's the case

He also only has a 6 quarter sample size and slowed down considerably when the Dolphins adjusted to what the Pats were doing on offense before getting knocked out of the game. Sure, he looked great, but it's still only a 6 quarter sample size. There might be a team dumb enough to give more than a first for Garoppolo but I'm thinking that if Brady continues to play like the MVP and even one first rounder gets offered, Belichick is going to take it.

 

[deroc5050]

OTOH, Brady is the MVP frontrunner right now, has shown absolutely no signs of slowing down, and again, Garoppolo has played 6 quarters of meaningful football. If both paths have anywhere even close to equivalent merit, and one gets you a first round pick for good measure, that's the one you take 10 times out of 10.

Its so hard to get a franchise QB, Your talking about keeping a 41 year old QB how long do you really think he is going to play for? I love Brady as much as the next guy but its not a cut and dry decision. Lets say he plays until he is 43, you think he is going past that? And if so at a high level? At some point father time has to set in.

 

[deroc5050]

He also only has a 6 quarter sample size and slowed down considerably when the Dolphins adjusted to what the Pats were doing on offense before getting knocked out of the game. Sure, he looked great, but it's still only a 6 quarter sample size. There might be a team dumb enough to give more than a first for Garoppolo but I'm thinking that if Brady continues to play like the MVP and even one first rounder gets offered, Belichick is going to take it.

Yeah it is a small sample size no doubt and on top of that can Garrapolo hold up.. as far durability. Lots of questions.

 

[Tuck]

he's worth more than a 1st rounder........you can't get that QB in the draft with a first rounder, therefore he is worth more than a 1st rounder....they have deshon kizer going top 5......are you kidding me? garoppolo should be worth 3 1st rounders if that's the case

I agree with your premise but the first round pick carries with it value beyond the talent of a he player because it locks him in for 5 years on a relatively cheap contract. One also has to remember any trade for Jimmy G at this point really only guarantees one full year of service with the team holding an option to franchise him for the following year. Then you have the whole question about whether Jimmy G can pick up the new system in a year and perform the way he did in the patriots system that he's been in for three years. And lastly, if I'm a GM looking at trading for him in the off season, I'm Im thinking really hard about whether he knows how to stay healthy after seeing him get knocked out of his second game as a starter.

Don't get me wrong, I like the kids game but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves talking about his worth to other teams.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If the jets offered two first round picks for jimmy, does bb do that deal?

 

[aluminum seats]

He also only has a 6 quarter sample size and slowed down considerably when the Dolphins adjusted to what the Pats were doing on offense before getting knocked out of the game.

I don't know why this notion keeps popping up, because it's not true.

His first three drives went for TDs and he had 3 incompletions total on them, as Miami went 3 & out three times. The Pats would have won about a 100 to nothing if that kept up, so it's obviously not sustainable.

On the next Pats' drive he had a couple of incompletions and the Pats punted. Happenstance. The next two drives, he drove the Pats to the Miami 42, first down, and Amendola fumbled; and on the drive he got hurt, Brissett took over on the Miami 21, first down. JG had a couple of incompletions on each drive, but was still leading the team down the field so I don't really think you can say he "slowed down considerably."

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't know why this notion keeps popping up, because it's not true.

His first three drives went for TDs and he had 3 incompletions total on them, as Miami went 3 & out three times. The Pats would have won about a 100 to nothing if that kept up, so it's obviously not sustainable.

On the next Pats' drive he had a couple of incompletions and the Pats punted. Happenstance. The next two drives, he drove the Pats to the Miami 42, first down, and Amendola fumbled; and on the drive he got hurt, Brissett took over on the Miami 21, first down. JG had a couple of incompletions on each drive, but was still leading the team down the field so I don't really think you can say he "slowed down considerably."

He did. Sure the pace they were going at was unsustainable but when the Dolphins adjusted and started playing press, the pressure started to get in his face. That said, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he slowed down considerably since he was playing like the GOAT in the previous three drives before that.

 

[aluminum seats]

He did. Sure the pace they were going at was unsustainable but when the Dolphins adjusted and started playing press, the pressure started to get in his face. That said, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he slowed down considerably since he was playing like the GOAT in the previous three drives before that.

It's a false narrative, that's all. Amendola fumbling isn't Miami slowing JG down.

 

[Kontradiction]

It's a false narrative, that's all. Amendola fumbling isn't Miami slowing JG down.

No, it's not. The incompletions were not happenstance. Feel free to go back and watch it. The pressure Miami started generating when they went to press and forced him to hold the ball a second longer contributed to those incompletions. On the drive Amendola fumbled, the Pats were no longer picking up chunk yardage either as they had in the first three. When you start off the way JAG did and then compare that to his last few drives, that's the definition of being slowed down.

 

[aluminum seats]

On the drive Amendola fumbled, the Pats were no longer picking up chunk yardage either as they had in the first three.

On the drive Amendola fumbled, it was at the end of a 15 yard gain for a first down on the Miami 42.

 

[PP2]

jimmy isn't going anywhere.

Not necessarily, I would wait until after the 2017 season and make the decision as to what your gonna do. If Bill is being sincere when he says there is a seamless transition from Brady to Garrapolo.. its not a cut and dry decision. Going into the 2018 season Brady will be 41 at the start of the season and Garrapolo will be 27.

Realistically your going to get 10-11+ years from Garrapolo to most likely 2 years with Brady from 2018 and on...

I'm pretty sure the decision has already been made. Garrapolo is good as traded.

There is just no other reason to have Brissett be with the team even though he's on IR. If I'm not wrong he has been traveling with the team to every game.

 

[raduray]

Watching Around the Horn's discussion about this and Woody Paige, Denver Post columnist, called Brady the GOAT. Even in Denver....