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Do you hope the Patriots trade Garoppolo?

  • Yes, before this year's trade deadline

    Votes: 8 5.9%
  • Yes, but wait until the 2017 offseason

    Votes: 51 37.5%
  • No

    Votes: 77 56.6%

  • Total voters
    136
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Belichick will make the best long term decision he can - but let's not act like seeing Garopollo play like a Pro-Bowler for half a game and 2 wins overall means that he's anyone's next franchise QB

The good news is that right now Belichick has seen more of Garopollo than anyone else - and Belichick better than anyone understands that QBs for whom Ds lack game film, can look a lot better than they are

Just look at Kaepernick - took DCs by surprise for a season but given a year to analyze him, Defenses showed him to be the mediocre QB he is

That being said, don't expect we're going to get Brady Version 2 from ANY QB - the Patriots of the future need an above average QB and quality depth to win - just like the Broncos determined they didn't need to pay top dollar for a QB period with their current Defense

If Garopollo's value in trade exceeds his actual worth, expect Belichick to make a trade - as it's doubtful you can keep both - seeing as Garopollo himself will surely demand the opportunity to start and have starters money sooner than later

Whatever choice Belichick makes, right now my only focus and hope is that we see Brissette do well enough to also enter the realm of "do we trade him"

That would mean the net impact of Framegate could be to have the Patriots earn back their first round pick and then some - preferably higher in the draft than the #30 that was fraudulently taken away by trading Garopollo and/or Brissette after Brady comes back to win a 5th Super Bowl - OR that the Patriots found a franchise QB for the next 15 years in either one of these guys

In either case, karma comes back to kiss the Patriots and give the finger to Roger
 
Note it's not a public poll.

Edit: To be clear, saying yes here implies that the Patriots will receive what they feel is sufficient value to justify making the trade.
Where's option "I'm going to do what I think is best for the team. T E A M."?
 
Idk about brissett but i prefer jimmy. Love the fact that he doesn't stare his wrs.



Something we can agree on You don't know about Brissett. I will wait to see what BB opinion is on the matter.
 
Belichick will make the best long term decision he can - but let's not act like seeing Garopollo play like a Pro-Bowler for half a game and 2 wins overall means that he's anyone's next franchise QB

The good news is that right now Belichick has seen more of Garopollo than anyone else - and Belichick better than anyone understands that QBs for whom Ds lack game film, can look a lot better than they are

Just look at Kaepernick - took DCs by surprise for a season but given a year to analyze him, Defenses showed him to be the mediocre QB he is

That being said, don't expect we're going to get Brady Version 2 from ANY QB - the Patriots of the future need an above average QB and quality depth to win - just like the Broncos determined they didn't need to pay top dollar for a QB period with their current Defense

If Garopollo's value in trade exceeds his actual worth, expect Belichick to make a trade - as it's doubtful you can keep both - seeing as Garopollo himself will surely demand the opportunity to start and have starters money sooner than later

Whatever choice Belichick makes, right now my only focus and hope is that we see Brissette do well enough to also enter the realm of "do we trade him"

That would mean the net impact of Framegate could be to have the Patriots earn back their first round pick and then some - preferably higher in the draft than the #30 that was fraudulently taken away by trading Garopollo and/or Brissette after Brady comes back to win a 5th Super Bowl - OR that the Patriots found a franchise QB for the next 15 years in either one of these guys

In either case, karma comes back to kiss the Patriots and give the finger to Roger

Kaepernick is a great example, and far from the only one. Off the top of my head, here's a list of young QBs who at various points have been considered up-and-coming superstars, and whose career arcs I would not trade 2-4 years of Brady for.

Kirk Cousins: all through this past offseason, he's been hyped as a future star after pulling a 101 passer rating, 4,400 yards, 70% completion and 29/11 TD/INT. He's been pretty **** through two weeks so far.

Robert Griffin III: I don't think this even needs to be rehashed.

Jay Cutler: In his third year, Cutler threw for 4500 yards with a 63.6% completion percentage and 20/14 TD/INT. Even at the time I wasn't sure what the hype was, but Denver damn near rioted when McDaniels sent Cutler packing, on the basis that it was insane to do so because Cutler was clearly an up-and-coming superstar in the league.

Marc Bulger: Managed to look like a possible franchise QB at various points in his first 3 years. The Rams were so convinced that he was one that, when Kurt Warner started showing signs of decline, they showed him the door. Bulger ended up being a pretty decent QB in his own right, but he was never anywhere near Warner's level, and Warner maintained NFL relevance and a high level of play longer than his replacement did. This should be a cautionary tale for Pats fans.

Matt Stafford: In his third season, Stafford threw for 41 TDs and over 5,000 yards. His career has trended downward ever since.

Ryan Tannehill:
Also peaked in his third season. 92.8 passer rating, 4,000 yards, 27/12 TD/INT. This was the height of Miami fans talking themselves into this guy as a potential franchise QB.

Brock Osweiler: Started 6 games last year. Ended with 2,000 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs and an 86 passer rating. Pretty good, good enough to get him an $18M per year contract. If I was a Texans fan, I'd already be regretting that deal based on the last two weeks.

Tyrod Taylor: Through his first six games last year, Taylor looked like a world-beater. Posted passer ratings of 123.8, 93.3, 136.7, 82.8, 97.4 and 146.5 while leading the Bills to a 4-2 record. He was the toast of the town, and now he has a six year $92M contract even as Buffalo collectively realizes that he isn't going to lead them anywhere. Turns out he's a much different player after a couple injuries and there's some game film to break down and figure out his weaknesses.

Andy Dalton: In his third season, Dalton had 4,300 yards, 62% passing, 33/20 TD/INT and an 89 passer rating. People started to talk themselves into him being a good starting QB. He got paid. We know the rest.

Nick Foles: started 13 games in his second season, piled up a 119 passer rating and 27/2 TD/INT. Three years later, he's Alex Smith's backup.

Some of these guys are good players, adequate NFL quarterback types. But what I keep coming back to is that, they all played very well in short stretches at some point in their first 3 years. Any one of them could've reasonably put up 6 quarters like Jimmy's put up. Would anyone on this forum trade Brady's 39-42 seasons for any of these guys' full careers? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And that's kinda the thing, here. It's a huge gamble; young QBs always are. Looking good for six quarters doesn't prove a whole hell of a lot. It elevates you out of the Brandon Weeden tier, but beyond that you're more or less punching a lottery ticket. You're hoping that your guy will continue along the trajectory that you've imagined for him, and won't get derailed by injury, ego, mechanical flaws, weaknesses being exposed by studious coaches, etc. etc. We see young QBs get figured out or otherwise taper off all the time.

Maybe Jimmy's the exception. Maybe he's the next great NFL QB. Someone's going to pay him a lot of money on the gamble that he is that guy, because that's pretty much what you have to do in today's NFL. If you don't have a QB, you get one, and you pay whatever price you have to--and risk setting your franchise back by 5-10 years if you're wrong--to do it.

But the Pats don't have to make that gamble yet. We've still got Brady, he's shown no signs of decline, he hasn't missed a game to injury in 8 years, and in fact he still might be the best QB in the game. It's a no-brainer IMO to go and get a king's ransom from some desperate team that doesn't have an option like Brady. Let them pay through the nose for the right to take a massive gamble that we don't have to take, and hopefully won't have to for a good few years. The phrase "let's cross that bridge when we come to it" might as well have been invented for situations like this.
 
Jimmy is vastly better than Brisset, it's not even close.

We have yet to see Jacoby with a full playbook...probably 10% at most. We have yet to see him play after having a week of practice to prepare....and we won't this game either.

And anyway, the real question is can you say rookie Jimmy of 3 years ago is "vastly better" than Jacoby. One might say there is evidence that the opposite may be true.

I wonder what Jacoby will look like in 2019
 
If BB really likes Jimmy he should hold on to him for 2-3 seasons and then trade him to the Saints, when Brees leaves, for a 1st and 5th round pick.
Our GM Loomis would give him 1.8 Billion over 5 years with 1.7 billion guaranteed. Then BB and Jimmy can spit the loot. Jimmy would be cut after the 1st year so loomis can save 100 million. Loomis would then pick up another mediocre DB for 101 million guaranteed, and Jimmy is in Hawaii on permanant holiday or buys his own team and plays when he wants.
 
The question should be, do you think Bill will trade Garoppolo?
 
To be fair, the logic of the question implies that the Patriots will move him only if they get what they believe is sufficient value in return.
That's always true, but in this case there is an other factor that comes into play.

Belichick is close to retirement. I honestly think he will not want to waste time looking for the next guy because he's not going to be doing this for ever.

Garoppolo is the next guy and Brady has got to be seeing this about now which could push it along.
 
Murphy's law says that Brady will become ineffective the day after jimmy is traded
 
What has impressed me the most is not so much the stat line Jimmy has put together, but how he has done it.

His poise, his pocket awareness, his movement in the pocket, how he went through his reads, being clutch on 3rd down, taking charge of the offense. In other words all the things you can't really teach.

Some of those step-ups in the pocket without taking his eyes of the action were almost brady-esq.

Brady will be 41 before the 2018 season when a decision needs to be made. Though it's never really a good idea to bet against Brady, I do think that some are being too optimistic. What are the chances of Brady being the only qb in history to play at a high level well into his 40's? Sure, Brady could still be a better qb than Jimmy at 41, but for how long? 1 year? 2?

Father time remains undefeated and not even the goat will change that. For me the best possible scenario would be Brady getting one for the thumb this season or the next and then Jimmy will take over from 2018 and make the rest of the afc east jump of a bridge in pure frustration of the idea of another decade of being bullied by the pats.
 
I don't necessarily HOPE they trade him, but I think there's a good chance it might have to happen.

I'd feel a lot better about Garoppolo taking the reigns/Brady retiring if TB12 won a SuperBowl this year and/or next.

Hopefully it won't hurt is value too much, but I would absolutely wait until after the 2017 season. Not this offseason.

I really would've liked to see him for a full 4 games. He looked very promising, but you just never know. Nick Foles looked incredible at one point (7 TD game), then came crashing down. RG3 another example (not a perfect comparison though).
 
I don't want to trade Garropolo but it is a conundrum. I certainly don't want to see us trade Tom, especially if he is still playing great and for other obvious reasons. But there's real potential for the team to reload with JG eventually and continue our conference dominance for another decade.

I don't know how good he really is but he's starting to look too valuable.
 
Kaepernick is a great example, and far from the only one. Off the top of my head, here's a list of young QBs who at various points have been considered up-and-coming superstars, and whose career arcs I would not trade 2-4 years of Brady for.

Kirk Cousins: all through this past offseason, he's been hyped as a future star after pulling a 101 passer rating, 4,400 yards, 70% completion and 29/11 TD/INT. He's been pretty **** through two weeks so far.

Robert Griffin III: I don't think this even needs to be rehashed.

Jay Cutler: In his third year, Cutler threw for 4500 yards with a 63.6% completion percentage and 20/14 TD/INT. Even at the time I wasn't sure what the hype was, but Denver damn near rioted when McDaniels sent Cutler packing, on the basis that it was insane to do so because Cutler was clearly an up-and-coming superstar in the league.

Marc Bulger: Managed to look like a possible franchise QB at various points in his first 3 years. The Rams were so convinced that he was one that, when Kurt Warner started showing signs of decline, they showed him the door. Bulger ended up being a pretty decent QB in his own right, but he was never anywhere near Warner's level, and Warner maintained NFL relevance and a high level of play longer than his replacement did. This should be a cautionary tale for Pats fans.

Matt Stafford: In his third season, Stafford threw for 41 TDs and over 5,000 yards. His career has trended downward ever since.

Ryan Tannehill:
Also peaked in his third season. 92.8 passer rating, 4,000 yards, 27/12 TD/INT. This was the height of Miami fans talking themselves into this guy as a potential franchise QB.

Brock Osweiler: Started 6 games last year. Ended with 2,000 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs and an 86 passer rating. Pretty good, good enough to get him an $18M per year contract. If I was a Texans fan, I'd already be regretting that deal based on the last two weeks.

Tyrod Taylor: Through his first six games last year, Taylor looked like a world-beater. Posted passer ratings of 123.8, 93.3, 136.7, 82.8, 97.4 and 146.5 while leading the Bills to a 4-2 record. He was the toast of the town, and now he has a six year $92M contract even as Buffalo collectively realizes that he isn't going to lead them anywhere. Turns out he's a much different player after a couple injuries and there's some game film to break down and figure out his weaknesses.

Andy Dalton: In his third season, Dalton had 4,300 yards, 62% passing, 33/20 TD/INT and an 89 passer rating. People started to talk themselves into him being a good starting QB. He got paid. We know the rest.

Nick Foles: started 13 games in his second season, piled up a 119 passer rating and 27/2 TD/INT. Three years later, he's Alex Smith's backup.

Some of these guys are good players, adequate NFL quarterback types. But what I keep coming back to is that, they all played very well in short stretches at some point in their first 3 years. Any one of them could've reasonably put up 6 quarters like Jimmy's put up. Would anyone on this forum trade Brady's 39-42 seasons for any of these guys' full careers? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And that's kinda the thing, here. It's a huge gamble; young QBs always are. Looking good for six quarters doesn't prove a whole hell of a lot. It elevates you out of the Brandon Weeden tier, but beyond that you're more or less punching a lottery ticket. You're hoping that your guy will continue along the trajectory that you've imagined for him, and won't get derailed by injury, ego, mechanical flaws, weaknesses being exposed by studious coaches, etc. etc. We see young QBs get figured out or otherwise taper off all the time.

Maybe Jimmy's the exception. Maybe he's the next great NFL QB. Someone's going to pay him a lot of money on the gamble that he is that guy, because that's pretty much what you have to do in today's NFL. If you don't have a QB, you get one, and you pay whatever price you have to--and risk setting your franchise back by 5-10 years if you're wrong--to do it.

But the Pats don't have to make that gamble yet. We've still got Brady, he's shown no signs of decline, he hasn't missed a game to injury in 8 years, and in fact he still might be the best QB in the game. It's a no-brainer IMO to go and get a king's ransom from some desperate team that doesn't have an option like Brady. Let them pay through the nose for the right to take a massive gamble that we don't have to take, and hopefully won't have to for a good few years. The phrase "let's cross that bridge when we come to it" might as well have been invented for situations like this.
Perfect post.
 
I don't want to trade Garropolo but it is a conundrum. I certainly don't want to see us trade Tom, especially if he is still playing great and for other obvious reasons. But there's real potential for the team to reload with JG eventually and continue our conference dominance for another decade.

I don't know how good he really is but he's starting to look too valuable.

I have to agree. Jimmy is much better than I ever thought.

In the nfl, you can never have enough good qb's or good corners.

Hoping bb hangs onto jimmy.
 
it amazes me the amount of people that think they will trade jimmy g. there is no f'in way they will let this guy get away.

It amazes me that so many actually think TB12 can play an additional 4 or 5 years. Let him play this and next year, give him his gold watch, let him retire or trade him and let the JG era begin.
 
It amazes me that so many actually think TB12 can play an additional 4 or 5 years. Let him play this and next year, give him his gold watch, let him retire or trade him and let the JG era begin.

In a vacuum that may work, but in the real world of contracts and salary caps it's just not possible. I think the money and timing are what will almost certainly lead BB to trade Jimmy G after the season.

In 2017 Brady's dead cap number is $27mil so he definitely isn't going anywhere. In 2018 Brady's dead cap is $14mil. Even if he is designated as a post June 1st release, it will still be $7mil dead cap in each of 2018/19. There is no way the Pats take on that cap hit. Basically, the only way TB12 isn't our QB until at least 2018 is if he retires, and that would be a huge blow to our cap anyway.

Jimmy G is under contract next season but would likely need to be franchised at around $22mil to be kept for 2018. There is no way the Pats pay $40+ mil for QB's in 2018. You also need to take into account the extra roster spot you would lose next season carrying 3 QB's and the loss of value by not trading Jimmy for a kings ransom.

I just can't see any way they can keep Jimmy G long term and make the money work. Stick with Brady the next 3 or 4 years, take a haul of picks for Jimmy G and hope JB can develop into our next franchise QB.
 
Unitas can still do it. Favre can still do it. Moon can still do it. Peyton can still do it.

Funny none seems to be on anyone's roster though. Brady will be 41 going on 42 when Polo's contract expires. You fans are daft, thankfully BB is not. "Better one year too early than one year too late" is a BB motto. " We pay for performance not past performance" is another guiding motto.

What is so hard to predict will happen? TB takes a pay cut, or gets cut/traded like Montana in 2018 preseason.
 
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