OT: Cavs vs. Warriors (Who Wins the NBA Finals?)

[letekro]

I'll take Jordan for the whole 4 quarters, but at least u finally admit that.

Admit what? He knows that's not his game. When he has capable shooters, he is mjuch happier to get them an open shot than to take a contested one himself. With Magic, that was considered a virtue. With Lebron, a sign of weakness.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But....there is more to basketball than being a great ISO guy at the end of games. Russell certainly wasn't. Magic had his moment in the '80 finals but like Lebron, he was much happier passing it. Nobody downranks those guys on that basis.

The 4th quarter is not just about isolation. I recall multiple times Larry and Magic passing at the end of games (see 1985 finals G4) it's fighting tooth and nail for everything and doing the right thing and the right time.

Depending on the matchup, Magic played center/PF/SF/SG and PG that game. He could afford to as they had Norm Nixon running the point.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Admit what? He knows that's not his game. When he has capable shooters, he is mjuch happier to get them an open shot than to take a contested one himself. With Magic, that was considered a virtue. With Lebron, a sign of weakness.

Yeah, all that passing late in games has resulted in a lot of losing.

Funny how the "selfish" scorers have 5 and 6 rings respectively
Kobe and mj

 

[letekro]

The 4th quarter is not just about isolation. I recall multiple times Larry and Magic passing at the end of games (see 1985 finals G4) it's fighting tooth and nail for everything and doing the right thing and the right time.

Depending on the matchup, Magic played center/PF/SF/SG and PG that game. He could afford to as they had Norm Nixon running the point.

It is too subjective to talk about "tooth and nail" and body language and "left it all out on the court." I mean these guys are all trying their best. To be one of the greatest players in history as all of these guys are, you have to be out of this world competitive and give out of this world effort. There's plenty of times Larry played poorly in the fourth quarter, your mind just chooses to forget them. What makes him different from Lebron is he had absolute confidence in his ability to hit shots at the end of games. Lebron doesn't. And for good reason.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It is too subjective to talk about "tooth and nail" and body language and "left it all out on the court." I mean these guys are all trying their best. To be one of the greatest players in history as all of these guys are, you have to be out of this world competitive and give out of this world effort. There's plenty of times Larry played poorly in the fourth quarter, your mind just chooses to forget them. What makes him different from Lebron is he had absolute confidence in his ability to hit shots at the end of games. Lebron doesn't. And for good reason.

As you have pointed out, trying to do your best and executing when it matters are two different things that distinct the GoATs from the not quite GoATs

 

[Deus Irae]

Something is missing--he is not the killer that Jordan and Bird were at the end of games. Many have said, give me Lebron for the first 3 quarters and Jordan for the 4th quarter. There is a lot of truth to that.

There is no truth to that. But, keep on trollin'.

 

[letekro]

As you have pointed out, trying to do your best and executing when it matters are two different things that distinct the GoATs from the not quite GoATs

I guess it didn't matter when Bird executed poorly in the playoffs, especially in deciding games? Whether you want to admit it or not, you are holding James to a different standard. The sum of their performances are reflected in their playoff statistics. LBJ scored more on better FG%, had slightly more assists. Bird had slightly more rebounds. Identical steals and blocks. I'm not going out on a limb to say that James was worth more on defense. Bird has the team edge on championships 3-2. Pretty close. I would never say someone was crazy to suggest Bird was better. But it is equally sane to conclude that James is better.

 

[letekro]

There is no truth to that. But, keep on trollin'.

Deus, you opinion is noted, and highly valued. Btw, I put you on ignore. It was a tough call. On the one hand, you're an insufferable dbag. On the other, you have absolutely zero insight and add nothing of value to any discussion.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Bird> LeBron

Bird had a finals series better than lebron a statistically last year, although Bird was a lot more efficient lol

 

[RobertWeathers]

I guess it didn't matter when Bird executed poorly in the playoffs, especially in deciding games?

I never said Larry didn't have a bad game. You did. Everyone has bad games. Michael, LeBron, Magic Its digging down deep and fighting when you know you will loose. That is the difference between LeBron and the other players.

Whether you want to admit it or not, you are holding James to a different standard.

No I am not because it is an irrefutable fact that Larry has executed more often in different ways in crunch time than LeBron. [/QUOTE]

The sum of their performances are reflected in their playoff statistics. LBJ scored more on better FG%, had slightly more assists. Bird had slightly more rebounds. Identical steals and blocks. I'm not going out on a limb to say that James was worth more on defense. Bird has the team edge on championships 3-2. Pretty close.

OK its a push.

I would never say someone was crazy to suggest Bird was better. But it is equally sane to conclude that James is better.

It is ok to say that LeBron is a better athlete, but to say LeBron is a more well-rounded player who delivered more often when it mattered, a better leader and better in the clutch than Larry would be monumentally wrong.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

this just shows how rigged this sport is

 

[rochrist]

this just shows how rigged this sport is

What does?

 

[TB12TheGoat]

What does?

Green suspended.

 

[TBR]

this just shows how rigged this sport is

It's absolutely ABSURD.

 

[Froob]

Lol noway Green gets suspended if the Cavs are the ones up 3-1, it isn't rigged per say but, decisions are based largely on the situation vs the actual actions. Green should have been suspended during the OKC series but, Dubs couldn't afford it then.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't believe I am agreeing with him on something...

Stephen A SmithVerified account?@stephenasmith
I am DONE with the NBA on this. Draymond Green suspended? Hiding behind a Flagrant 1. This is some straight BS. Absolute TRAVESTY!

 

[TBR]

I can't believe I am agreeing with him on something...

Stephen A SmithVerified account?@stephenasmith
I am DONE with the NBA on this. Draymond Green suspended? Hiding behind a Flagrant 1. This is some straight BS. Absolute TRAVESTY!

Agree. I felt a bit dirty hitting the retweet button, but he summed up my exact thoughts.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agree. I felt a bit dirty hitting the retweet button, but he summed up my exact thoughts.

I will not retweet him. Ever

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[IcyPatriot]