The more time that goes on, the more I have trouble rooting for Kraft

[RayClay]

Nobel prize winner. Not enough, I guess.

On WellsReportContext.com, the Patriots have published a rebuttal from Roderick MacKinnon, who won the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 2003. MacKinnon writes that he disagrees with the Wells Report’s conclusion. In particular, MacKinnon criticizes the Wells Report for its failure to determine which of two gauges were used to measure the PSI levels of the Patriots’ footballs, which in MacKinnon’s view is a fatal flaw.

“I believe the data available on ball pressures can be explained on the basis of physical law, without manipulation,” MacKinnon writes

Nobel Prize winner disagrees with science in Wells Report

 

[RayClay]

That doesnot come BEFORE TRYING. You are arguing he should have read the tea leaves, and guessed whether his appeal would be successful to decide whether to try. Who does that? You are arguing the smart move is to give up because maybe you might fail.

Tea leaves? He was at a resort with all these people, he had published a web site full of facts, at least a Nobel prize winning chemist, I listed. They were there. He could talk to them and I'm sure he did. Hell, if they weren't talking to each other, why spend a week together?

You just want him to have jumped up and down and cursed them out to make you feel better.

Sometimes in life, you have to swallow your pride and get back later, when the odds [based on talking to the other goddamn owners for a week] are on your side.

That's why lots of people hate politics. it doesn't always feed your anger impulse.

 

[RayClay]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tea leaves? He was at a resort with all these people, he had published a web site full of facts, at least a Nobel prize winning chemist, I listed. They were there. He could talk to them and I'm sure he did. Hell, if they weren't talking to each other, why spend a week together?

You just want him to have jumped up and down and cursed them out to make you feel better.

Sometimes in life, you have to swallow your pride and get back later, when the odds [based on talking to the other goddamn owners for a week] are on your side.

That's why lots of people hate politics. it doesn't always feed your anger impulse.

If he did the right thing then why did he apologize for it and claim he was duped?

 

[RayClay]

If he did the right thing then why did he apologize for it and claim he was duped?

Because he was duped. What a strange question.

You might recall that he demanded an apology early in the process. Did he just go insane in the interim, or was he shocked to find out, instead of backing, the owners and commish were against him.

Just try to look at the timeline logically.

He thought others were grateful for all the work he'd done on the CBA and TV contracts. He was shocked [it seems] to find the knives were out for him.

Is it your position that this otherwise competent person just went insane between January and May, or do you agree with me that he was shocked that the commish and a favored group of owners betrayed him and the team.

I go for logic, myself.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Nobody is calling those teams cheaters. Not so for the Pats. That is the point that seems to be getting missed by some here. Kraft didn't have to win. All he had to do was just put up some semblance of a defense.

LOL

 

[IllegalContact]

And some are too desperately in need of attention by playing the contrarian on every topic to see that's not true.

Your post projects

 

[IllegalContact]

Because he was duped. What a strange question.

You might recall that he demanded an apology early in the process. Did he just go insane in the interim, or was he shocked to find out, instead of backing, the owners and commish were against him.

Just try to look at the timeline logically.

He thought others were grateful for all the work he'd done on the CBA and TV contracts. He was shocked [it seems] to find the knives were out for him.

Is it your position that this otherwise competent person just went insane between January and May, or do you agree with me that he was shocked that the commish and a favored group of owners betrayed him and the team.

I go for logic, myself.

You have much more patience than I do......the only point they validate is that they all would have felt better if Kraft threw some kind of meaningless hissy fit

It's this notion they are trying to use as proof of some sort of superior intellect on the topic that annoys

 

[Huckleberry1]

Because he was duped. What a strange question.

You might recall that he demanded an apology early in the process. Did he just go insane in the interim, or was he shocked to find out, instead of backing, the owners and commish were against him.

Just try to look at the timeline logically.

He thought others were grateful for all the work he'd done on the CBA and TV contracts. He was shocked [it seems] to find the knives were out for him.

Is it your position that this otherwise competent person just went insane between January and May, or do you agree with me that he was shocked that the commish and a favored group of owners betrayed him and the team.

I go for logic, myself.

Sorry Ray but if Kraft trusted the league office and Roger Goodell after everything that happened between the AFCCG and that owners meeting then he was literally fooling himself. It was obvious they were out to get Brady, Belichick, and the team. I don't believe he's that stupid and I think he was being counseled to fight back by Jonathan and others which is why they put out the Wells Report In Context. I agree that he was surprised he received no support from the other owners and it was their cold shoulders that caused him to fold. Kraft simply could not take being shunted by the 31 and folded so they would let him back in their treehouse. He knew he was right but folded to get in the club. He put being part of the club over his team and fans. I'm not a Kraft hater or a basher, and I accepted the apology but he f.cked up and conceded that so claiming he didn't is bullsh.t.

 

[Ring 6]

Nobel prize winner. Not enough, I guess.



Nobel Prize winner disagrees with science in Wells Report

It would have been nice if Kraft had tried to present that.

 

[Ring 6]

Tea leaves? He was at a resort with all these people, he had published a web site full of facts, at least a Nobel prize winning chemist, I listed. They were there. He could talk to them and I'm sure he did. Hell, if they weren't talking to each other, why spend a week together?

If I'm not mistaken he flew in Tuesday morning, after hanging out with Goodell over the weekend, and upon arrival had a press conference.
The Wells Context report came out 5/15, a Friday. Kraft quit the fight on Tuesday morning 5/19.
I am saying he should have fought, not 'gauged interest'. We both know the facts are on his side.
There has still not been a single reason offered for why not to fight. "I think he would lose" is not a reason.

You just want him to have jumped up and down and cursed them out to make you feel better.

When you make stupid comments like this, you're just not worth talking to.
I have stated over and over that I wanted him to use an investigation and facts to PROVE TO THEM the Patriots were innocent. Please show me any time I have stated anything resembling he should jump up an down or curse anyone. Its a childish way to discuss this, and you are better than that.

Sometimes in life, you have to swallow your pride and get back later, when the odds [based on talking to the other goddamn owners for a week] are on your side.

He had one single opportunity. He cannot get back later, the appeal was dropped.
I just cannot believe you are saying the right thing to do was not try. Do you know what the media coverage would have been? What if Kraft PRESENTED the context report at that owners meeting?
When you are in the right there are many ways to surface the truth.
Your answer seems to be that you should ask around and see if anyone likes you then quit if they don't

That's why lots of people hate politics. it doesn't always feed your anger impulse.

Its got nothing to do with anger. It has everything to do with the best strategic way to protect the franchise. Quitting had absolutely zero benefit.

 

[Ring 6]

You have much more patience than I do......the only point they validate is that they all would have felt better if Kraft threw some kind of meaningless hissy fit

It's this notion they are trying to use as proof of some sort of superior intellect on the topic that annoys

Illegal Strawman.
Please show anywhere that anyone has said they would feel better if he threw a fit.
I wanted him to try. That is all. Try as hard as he could. Not 'end the rhetoric, accept the penalty, and not appeal'.
Try.

 

[OhExaulted1]

That was after he 'ended the rhetoric' and 'accepted the penalty' and 'will not appeal'.

This is simply incorrect. The website came out before his decision.

My 14th:Patriots respond to Wells report, launch WellsReportContext.com

May 19th:Kraft: I disagree with Goodell, but I accept it and we won’t appeal

 

[Ring 6]

Because he was duped. What a strange question.

You might recall that he demanded an apology early in the process. Did he just go insane in the interim, or was he shocked to find out, instead of backing, the owners and commish were against him.

Just try to look at the timeline logically.

He thought others were grateful for all the work he'd done on the CBA and TV contracts. He was shocked [it seems] to find the knives were out for him.

Is it your position that this otherwise competent person just went insane between January and May, or do you agree with me that he was shocked that the commish and a favored group of owners betrayed him and the team.

I go for logic, myself.

You are just making up things to support what you want them to. Your entire opinion is based upon things you think happened but do not know.
Everything you say could be 100% true, and there is still no reason not to present the Wells context info, plus whatever else available in an appeal hearing. What does he lose?

 

[Ring 6]

This is simply incorrect. The website came out before his decision.

My 14th:Patriots respond to Wells report, launch WellsReportContext.com

May 19th:Kraft: I disagree with Goodell, but I accept it and we won’t appeal

Correct, it was published I believe on Friday 5/15, and Kraft quit on Tuesday 5/19, without presenting it in an appeal. In essence it was done for nothing.

 

[OhExaulted1]

You have much more patience than I do......the only point they validate is that they all would have felt better if Kraft threw some kind of meaningless hissy fit

It's this notion they are trying to use as proof of some sort of superior intellect on the topic that annoys

And this is the endless circle the keyboard warriors are stuck in. It's like watching a dog chase his tail.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Correct, it was published I believe on Friday 5/15, and Kraft quit on Tuesday 5/19, without presenting it in an appeal. In essence it was done for nothing.

Nothing in your eyes. It was refuting an unjust charge and punishment, one he had no recourse with which to overturn. So there's a website out there dedicated to the facts of the injustice.

 

[OhExaulted1]

You are just making up things to support what you want them to. Your entire opinion is based upon things you think happened but do not know.
Everything you say could be 100% true, and there is still no reason not to present the Wells context info, plus whatever else available in an appeal hearing. What does he lose?

Time, money, the appeal itself, your respect.....the latter of which I'm sure he cares little.

 

[OhExaulted1]

It's not that they don't get it. It's that you are wrong in your claim of there being no other recourse.

That recourse of course being to appeal to Mr. Judge, Jury and Executioner with the insistance of many of the other jealous and spiteful other 31 to uphold said appeal. If banging your head pointlessly against a wall is another "recourse", I guess you'd have a point.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

This is simply incorrect. The website came out before his decision.

My 14th:Patriots respond to Wells report, launch WellsReportContext.com

May 19th:Kraft: I disagree with Goodell, but I accept it and we won’t appeal

Yeah, that makes it even worse, seeing that he was armed with everything he needed to fight this. The opening paragraph of Wells Report in Context:

The conclusions of the Wells Report are, at best, incomplete, incorrect and lack context. The Report dismisses the scientific explanation for the natural loss of psi of the Patriots footballs by inexplicably rejecting the Referee’s recollection of what gauge he used in his pregame inspection. Texts acknowledged to be attempts at humor and exaggeration are nevertheless interpreted as a plot to improperly deflate footballs, even though none of them refer to any such plot. There is no evidence that Tom Brady preferred footballs that were lower than 12.5 psi and no evidence anyone even thought that he did. All the extensive evidence which contradicts how the texts are interpreted by the investigators is simply dismissed as “not plausible.” Inconsistencies in logic and evidence are ignored.

But ya know what, what the hell, we're just going to accept loss of 1st and 4th round picks plus a million dollars anyway, smear the franchise (and especially Tom Brady) as cheaters yet again because that's whats best for everybody else. BTW wasn't the prescribed penalty for this 25K?

“You know, what I’ve learned over the last two decades is that the heart and soul and strength of the NFL is a partnership of 32 teams. And what’s become very clear over those very two decades is at no time should the agenda of one team outweigh the collective good of the full 32. So I have a way of looking at problems that are very strong in my mind, and before I make a final decision, I measure nine times and I cut once. And I think maybe if I had made the decision last week it would be different than it is today.


“But believing in the strength of the partnership, and the 32 teams — we have concentrated the power of adjudication of problems in the office of the commissioner. And although I might disagree with what is decided, I do have respect for the commissioner and believe that he’s doing what he perceives to be in the best interests of the full 32. So in that spirit, I don’t want to continue the rhetoric that’s gone on for the last four months. I’m going to accept, reluctantly, what he has given to us, and not continue this dialogue and rhetoric. And we won’t appeal.

Sorry, it was an inexcusable surrender for all the wrong reasons.