Bedard Listening Thread

[Oswlek]

Kraft isn't the one who makes football decisions.

True, but not relevant. This isn't a "football decision" in the traditional sense.

 

[james87654]

True, but not relevant. This isn't a "football decision" in the traditional sense.

just because its brady?........the other 52 players are football decisions, and therefore, the domain of BB.......but brady is special, so kraft will be handling his personnel decisions?

 

[PP2]

Kraft isn't the one who makes football decisions. Belichick makes the personnel decisions and most people agree he doesn't let personal feelings affect negotiations. If their production slips they generally get shipped out of town.
We don't know all the underlayings of this deal at this point.

Kraft can overrule BB on matters pertaining to the franchise; that is probably an unspoken condition in their contract.

 

[Gronkandez]

Kraft can overrule BB on matters pertaining to the franchise; that is probably an unspoken condition in their contract.

I suppose it's possible but I highly doubt that's the case.

 

[Oswlek]

just because its brady?........the other 52 players are football decisions, and therefore, the domain of BB.......but brady is special, so kraft will be handling his personnel decisions?

You've completely missed the point. This restructure has nothing whatsoever to do with cap space or being on/off the roster, ergo it is outside the domain of usual GM decision making. Valiant attempt at spin, though.

 

[Rob0729]

The funny thing is how analysts see completely different things. Listen to Albert Breer today, his take on the game is very different than Bedard's:

Bedard thinks the Ravens have no answer for Gronk, Breer feels the Ravens will either slow down Gronk or shut him out and Edelman and LaFell will need to step up.

Bedard doesn't think Eugene Monroe is anything more than an average LT and will still have a hard time handling Chandler Jones if he plays. Breer thinks he is just outside of elite and if he plays he will improve three positions on the o-line. He also thinks that if he plays, it a huge game changer (although he thinks the Pats will still win).

Now Breer is a light weight who has been stating for weeks that the fact that the Broncos have committed to the run that they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl because even though Manning hasn't lost a step, they don't need to rely on him for a win. Only in recent weeks he has admitted that the Broncos have been forced to change their offense because there is something off with Manning. He also was the guy every week a few years back would tout the team on the Pats' docket was "a lot tougher challenge for the Pats than people think" and the Pats would roll over each of these teams.

 

[letekro]

"Hey dad?"

"Yes Jonathan?"

"I was thinking about all the money we have going out this offseason and I have an idea"

"Go on..."

"Well, with regard to Tom's $24mm, we have to talk to him about a raise anyway, so rather than escrow or finance, why don't we talk to him about a simultaneous restructure?"

This is not an outlandish scenario, no matter how to try to position it. There is also no reason to think Tom wouldn't agree to a handshake deal given his his stature with the team and Kraft's obvious affinity for him. Really, the question should be reversed. You're question rightly asks why Tom would give up certainty which makes the Simmons/Barnwell conclusion that he wants to be let go a bizarre leap.

No, the Grantland theory is absurd and nonsensical.

Ultimately, I think the Grantland theory makes sense for both sides, while your theory makes sense for neither side unless you're assuming a host of secret agreements (as just one example, why do "we have to talk to him about a raise anyway"?). The Grantland theory makes sense on the face of the documents, which is usually how successful businesspeople like to memorialize large transactions.

 

[letekro]

The funny thing is how analysts see completely different things. Listen to Albert Breer today, his take on the game is very different than Bedard's:

Bedard thinks the Ravens have no answer for Gronk, Breer feels the Ravens will either slow down Gronk or shut him out and Edelman and LaFell will need to step up.

Bedard doesn't think Eugene Monroe is anything more than an average LT and will still have a hard time handling Chandler Jones if he plays. Breer thinks he is just outside of elite and if he plays he will improve three positions on the o-line. He also thinks that if he plays, it a huge game changer (although he thinks the Pats will still win).

Now Breer is a light weight who has been stating for weeks that the fact that the Broncos have committed to the run that they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl because even though Manning hasn't lost a step, they don't need to rely on him for a win. Only in recent weeks he has admitted that the Broncos have been forced to change their offense because there is something off with Manning. He also was the guy every week a few years back would tout the team on the Pats' docket was "a lot tougher challenge for the Pats than people think" and the Pats would roll over each of these teams.

Can't you harmonize Bedard and Breer re Gronk though? Bedard is saying, they have no one who can cover him. Breer might not be disagreeing with that, but thinks that they will devote whatever resources they have to (e.g., redirect at line, followed by bracket coverage) in order to make someone else beat them. I think both statements are correct.

 

[BradyManny]

He also was the guy every week a few years back would tout the team on the Pats' docket was "a lot tougher challenge for the Pats than people think" and the Pats would roll over each of these teams.

When Breer left the Pats beat, I think he decided he didn't want to look like a Pats homer. He's been over-compensating since. He's lost his objectivity by letting outside factors influence his judgement (i.e., the over-compensation). The questions he asks Belichick often border on troll-ish. He's become an idiot.

 

[PATS16N0]

Are we seriously back to speculating on whether or not Belichick is going to ship Brady out of town?

You guys listen to too much Sports Hub.

This is your brain.

This is your brain on Felger and Mazz.

 

[Oswlek]

The Grantland theory makes sense on the face of the documents, which is usually how successful businesspeople like to memorialize large transactions.

I've already explained why this isn't so, but if you want to have a go at it, by all means.

What team that would be willing to sign Brady in FA wouldn't also be willing to trade for him? And what team willing to trade for this contract wouldn't have been willing to trade for the prior one?

If you can provide legitimate answers to these questions, then you'll be on your way toward supporting your position. Simple stating it makes the most sense doesn't actually make it so, believe it or not.

 

[PATS16N0]

Kraft can overrule BB on matters pertaining to the franchise; that is probably an unspoken condition in their contract.

Kraft has said, and this is almost an exact quote, "No major decisions take place without my blessing."

The formula seems to be Belichick making football decisions which they then discuss as a group with faith in Belichick's football know how, but he isn't doing anything overly drastic without Kraft being sold on it.

I haven't read this entire thread but I see hints of trading Brady talk.

Never. Gonna'. Happen.

Kraft, Brady and Belichick are like family. I seriously can't believe some people think Tom is `just another roster spot` in the eyes of Bill.

 

[PATS16N0]

just because its brady?........the other 52 players are football decisions, and therefore, the domain of BB.......but brady is special, so kraft will be handling his personnel decisions?

Yes, Brady is special. Kraft believes Tom is the GOAT. He hears the emotionally charged Brady chants thundering through out his stadium. The "In Tom we Trust" signs are there for everybody to see. Kraft is a fan of the game and a fan of the history of the game. He has already said, numerous times, that he thinks it sucks when great quarterbacks don't retire with their team, and that the fan in him wants Brady to be a Patriot for life.

If you think that Tom will ever be discarded like just another member of the 53 man roster, you are delusional, trolling, wishing for a catastrophic controversy to giggle at while you listen to 98.5, or just completely clueless.

It is never, ever going to happen.

Even discussing this like it's a realistic scenario is a blemish on Patriot fans, in my honest opinion.

 

[james87654]

Yes, Brady is special. Kraft believes Tom is the GOAT. He hears the emotionally charged Brady chants thundering through out his stadium. The "In Tom we Trust" signs are there for everybody to see. Kraft is a fan of the game and a fan of the history of the game. He has already said, numerous times, that he thinks it sucks when great quarterbacks don't retire with their team, and that the fan in him wants Brady to be a Patriot for life.

If you think that Tom will ever be discarded like just another member of the 53 man roster, you are delusional, trolling, wishing for a catastrophic controversy to giggle at while you listen to 98.5, or just completely clueless.

It is never, ever going to happen.

Even discussing this like it's a realistic scenario is a blemish on Patriot fans, in my honest opinion.

1. at least you're honest
2. i think franchise QBs are definitely less of a "commodity" than the other positions.....but i wouldnt take this as far as some......and i think BB is more in line with me
3. if kraft has gone to BB and said "brady is my call, not yours".........then if i were BB i would want out.......or i would just bench brady if it ever came to that point......kraft may have personnel final say.......but he doesnt have gameday "who starts and who doesnt" say
4. im glad brady was our QB this year and i look forward to him being the QB next year.....but hes reached the point that you have to evaluate him on a year by year basis......this lock him up till hes 45 stuff is sacred cow nonsense

 

[PATS16N0]

1. at least you're honest
2. i think franchise QBs are definitely less of a "commodity" than the other positions.....but i wouldnt take this as far as some......and i think BB is more in line with me
3. if kraft has gone to BB and said "brady is my call, not yours".........then if i were BB i would want out.......or i would just bench brady if it ever came to that point......kraft may have personnel final say.......but he doesnt have gameday "who starts and who doesnt" say
4. im glad brady was our QB this year and i look forward to him being the QB next year.....but hes reached the point that you have to evaluate him on a year by year basis......this lock him up till hes 45 stuff is sacred cow nonsense

So you want to see our Dynasty trio blow up completely and become ugly, mortal enemies with one another.

Good to know where you stand, which is exactly where you were standing in week #4.

Right next to Trent Dilfer, and loving every second of it.

 

[james87654]

You've completely missed the point. This restructure has nothing whatsoever to do with cap space or being on/off the roster, ergo it is outside the domain of usual GM decision making. Valiant attempt at spin, though.

i wasnt talking specifically about the restructure

i was talking about to what extent brady gets special treatment in personnel decisions as he ages.......and how much of the decisions are made by BB and how much by kraft

 

[Ring 6]

The funny thing is how analysts see completely different things. Listen to Albert Breer today, his take on the game is very different than Bedard's:

Bedard thinks the Ravens have no answer for Gronk, Breer feels the Ravens will either slow down Gronk or shut him out and Edelman and LaFell will need to step up.

Bedard doesn't think Eugene Monroe is anything more than an average LT and will still have a hard time handling Chandler Jones if he plays. Breer thinks he is just outside of elite and if he plays he will improve three positions on the o-line. He also thinks that if he plays, it a huge game changer (although he thinks the Pats will still win).

Now Breer is a light weight who has been stating for weeks that the fact that the Broncos have committed to the run that they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl because even though Manning hasn't lost a step, they don't need to rely on him for a win. Only in recent weeks he has admitted that the Broncos have been forced to change their offense because there is something off with Manning. He also was the guy every week a few years back would tout the team on the Pats' docket was "a lot tougher challenge for the Pats than people think" and the Pats would roll over each of these teams.

The first mistake is you call them ANALYSTS when they are actually reporters.

Re: Gronk. Bedard is looking at who can cover them, Breer at who they will try to take away.
(as an aside, it cracks me up how people will look at a strength or 2 of a team and think that will decide a game. teams are rarely doomed, unless they stink. Bmores strength is the pass rush. That means the Patriots will devise a game plan to take that strength away with personell, scheme, play calling etc. Yes if the Patriots ignore who the opponent is and run a vanilla non-opponent specific game plan, they will get hurt by the pass rush. Instead they will likely make neutralizing the pass rush the top priority)

I'm sure opinion on Monroe is split among many 'reporters' Top 3 pick(?) who has underperformed is textbook for that.

Breer seems like a guy who makes it up as he goes, in my opinion, by the way.

 

[james87654]

So you want to see our Dynasty trio blow up completely and become ugly, mortal enemies with one another.

Good to know where you stand, which is exactly where you were standing in week #4.

Right next to Trent Dilfer, and loving every second of it.

i stand on the side that wants brady as our QB as long as he is the best option.....which includes this past year and next year.......i dont want him as our QB at 40, 41, etc. just because we won 3 SBs over a decade ago

seymour and law and harrison had a lot to do with those SBs too.......they are long gone

 

[Guts]

i stand on the side that wants brady as our QB as long as he is the best option.....which includes this past year and next year.......i dont want him as our QB at 40, 41, etc. just because we won 3 SBs over a decade ago

seymour and law and harrison had a lot to do with those SBs too.......they are long gone

Brady just had one of his best seasons to date with no signs of significant decline. It is foolish to even talk about the idea of replacing him when he is still one of the top 2 QBs in the league with Rodgers and led the team to another number 1 seed. Once we actually see physical decline and numbers below his norm, then we can talk about his replacement

 

[PATS16N0]

i stand on the side that wants brady as our QB as long as he is the best option.....which includes this past year and next year.......i dont want him as our QB at 40, 41, etc. just because we won 3 SBs over a decade ago

seymour and law and harrison had a lot to do with those SBs too.......they are long gone

Sorry but you're an insignificant, miniscule minority, and don't speak Patriot fans.

This is everyone else, and this is during the media assault you were basking in, before the Bengals game



Tom's untouchable in these parts.
"Anyone talking nonsense about Tom Brady is not from New England"

Pretty much sums it up.

Hate away, but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Nobody is listening.