The Camp Battle for Center

[Family]

This IS a veteran line outside of LT.

They want OL who can block. The rest is window dressing.

Of course they want an OL that can block. But if there's anyone close to equal they will move away from Strange/Onwenu/Moses/Bradbury.

That's why they cut Andrews, when maybe he could still play.

If Wilson is close they aren't going to leave him as swing backup, which is true of all the young OL.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course they want an OL that can block. But if there's anyone close to equal they will move away from Strange/Onwenu/Moses/Bradbury.

That's why they cut Andrews, when maybe he could still play.

If Wilson is close they aren't going to leave him as swing backup, which is true of all the young OL.

Why would they move away from veteran players? That makes no sense.

They cut Andrews because he can’t still play, that’s why he retired. He wasn’t even sure he would have come back and at most for 1 year.

Disagree Wilson will have to clearly beat out someone, not just come close. Otherwise he will start as the backup for all 3 and get his shot when there is the inevitable injury. Experience matters.

 

[Family]

Why would they move away from veteran players? That makes no sense.

Because they're a young team rebuilding.

For a guy who knows football, you don't get the basics. They cut all the leaders they could from previous years. , not just Andrews. Didn't they cut every captain except Peppers?

Last year you wanted to load up on veterans who would have made us 8-9 ish. So we would have been stuck with Mayo, the coaching staff, and a bunch of unhappy young guys like White for another year.

This is close to a complete rebuild. The results this year are secondary to new leadership player development and where they want to be in the future.

 

[Ring 6]

Because they're a young team rebuilding.

For a guy who knows football, you don't get the basics. They cut all the leaders they could from previous years. , not just Andrews. Didn't they cut every captain except Peppers?

Last year you wanted to load up on veterans who would have made us 8-9 ish. So we would have been stuck with Mayo, the coaching staff, and a bunch of unhappy young guys like White for another year.

This is close to a complete rebuild. The results this year are secondary to new leadership player development and where they want to be in the future.

This team is playing to win now.

They didn’t cut leaders because they were leaders they cut them because they were aging players who dint fit the plan.

Last year I wanted to do exactly what we did this year. We’d be a year further ahead now player wise, but Mayo still would have proven incompetent.
Are you seriously saying giving up a year to get rid of the worst HC hire is some sort of genius?

The results this year aren’t secondary to anything. The culture and development go hand in hand with results. No one successful ever said, let’s not compete for a while so we can get ready for the future. You out the best team you can on the field and build culture by winning. The culture you build by not playing your best players because you want young guys who have t earned a job to try to become leaders, is a losing culture. Every single time.

 

[Family]

This team is playing to win now.

They didn’t cut leaders because they were leaders they cut them because they were aging players who dint fit the plan.

Last year I wanted to do exactly what we did this year. We’d be a year further ahead now player wise, but Mayo still would have proven incompetent.
Are you seriously saying giving up a year to get rid of the worst HC hire is some sort of genius?

The results this year aren’t secondary to anything. The culture and development go hand in hand with results. No one successful ever said, let’s not compete for a while so we can get ready for the future. You out the best team you can on the field and build culture by winning. The culture you build by not playing your best players because you want young guys who have t earned a job to try to become leaders, is a losing culture. Every single time.

Ok we disagree in a lot of things, but you have points.

Let's go back to Wilson. The reason this is so important to me is if he sucks I have to accept that we might have horrible coaching again. If Wilson can't beat out Cole Strange or Bradbury, the WTF are we moving him around like this? He's a rookie. If he's not on their average level they should let him get comfortable in a position, and learn it, for at least a couple of weeks.

Like you say, they have to earn it. Has he earned the right to run with the #1's like this in multiple positions? While you might expect a third to do this, being a third does not guarantee it.

He better produce, or it's horrible coaching, and my confidence in what's happening will drop a notch.

 

[signbabybrady]

Ok we disagree in a lot of things, but you have points.

Let's go back to Wilson. The reason this is so important to me is if he sucks I have to accept that we might have horrible coaching again. If Wilson can't beat out Cole Strange or Bradbury, the WTF are we moving him around like this? He's a rookie. If he's not on their average level they should let him get comfortable in a position, and learn it, for at least a couple of weeks.

Like you say, they have to earn it. Has he earned the right to run with the #1's like this in multiple positions? While you might expect a third to do this, being a third does not guarantee it.

He better produce, or it's horrible coaching, and my confidence in what's happening will drop a notch.

I can see your point it's certainly possible to put too much on someone's plate but I think you're projecting past failings on the new coaches too much. By all accounts Wilson seems like a smart enough kid to handle it and assuming the new coaches see it that way then learning more should only help him more when he does hit the field even if it never ends up being at guard. And of course if it is at guard then teaching the versatility pays off even more.

Also bottom line is you need GameDay depth that can back up more than one spot. Sometimes what's best for the team is more important.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok we disagree in a lot of things, but you have points.

Let's go back to Wilson. The reason this is so important to me is if he sucks I have to accept that we might have horrible coaching again. If Wilson can't beat out Cole Strange or Bradbury, the WTF are we moving him around like this? He's a rookie. If he's not on their average level they should let him get comfortable in a position, and learn it, for at least a couple of weeks.

Like you say, they have to earn it. Has he earned the right to run with the #1's like this in multiple positions? While you might expect a third to do this, being a third does not guarantee it.

He better produce, or it's horrible coaching, and my confidence in what's happening will drop a notch.

He is the #4 IOL. He is backing up all 3 and competing to start.

Why are you so entrenched on the position thing? OL need to learn the responsibilities of the guy next to them. It’s not like you are talking catcher vs shortstop. It’s the same basic job that varies a little bit based upon where you lineup.
It is incredibly common for OL to work at different positions especially backups.

He is in the process of earning his slot. Based upon the rest of the players we have, of course he starts as first man up.
I’m not sure what you think is supposed to happen here.

You start camp with expectations. Then you go out on the field and compete for jobs. He is starting exactly where he should. What he does from here is what he earns in the field.

I’m not sure how you tie the first year progress of a single rookie to defining the quality of the coaching staff. That is a very odd take. Although your confidence level isn’t really important.

 

[Family]

You start camp with expectations. Then you go out on the field and compete for jobs. He is starting exactly where he should. What he does from here is what he earns in the field.

Yes, but they haven't been on the field in pads yet.

So beyond interpreting what the coaching staff is doing, there's no reason to really discuss the OL.

So why be on this thread?

I’m not sure how you tie the first year progress of a single rookie to defining the quality of the coaching staff. That is a very odd take. Although your confidence level isn’t really important.

Because they've had him with the #1's at every inside OL position. Name one other time you remember that happening.

If he sucks at all of them, that's a mistake. Have him learn one position first. Pretty basic.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, but they haven't been on the field in pads yet.

So beyond interpreting what the coaching staff is doing, there's no reason to really discuss the OL.

So why be on this thread?



Because they've had him with the #1's at every inside OL position. Name one other time you remember that happening.

If he sucks at all of them, that's a mistake. Have him learn one position first. Pretty basic.

You are asking why we are discussing the C we drafted in the 3rd on a thread about our C position?

It happens all the time. He is expected to back up all 3 IOL positions, so he is the backup sunning in with the 1s.
There is no difference “learning one position” and working at all 3. He has to know the assignment of the guy next to him. Pretty basic, and teams have find it this way for ages.
If he sucks it doesn’t matter how they did it.

 

[State]

I expect Wilson, the rookie from Georgia, to be this year’s starting LG. Next year he can be the center.

And I expect Wilson, who is both athletically gifted and highly intelligent, to grade out as the best OL guy at season’s end.

A great rookie!

 

[mgteich]

3rd round picks start all the time on the OL

I agree. I would be 100% fine with Wilson starting at LG, with Brown as the backup center.

You are right that he should learn the roles of BOTH positions (not 3 as you indicated earlier).

However, I would expect that when they play with pads, Wilson would benefit from learning one position really well, perhaps well enough to start.

 

[mgteich]

Because they're a young team rebuilding.

We have Bradbury instead of Andrews because we want a young team and are rebuilding?

Naah!

Vrabel just wanted to move on and prefers Bradbury to Andrews.

 

[Family]

We have Bradbury instead of Andrews because we want a young team and are rebuilding?

Naah!

Vrabel just wanted to move on and prefers Bradbury to Andrews.

How many of the current 4 starting OL, other than Campbell, do you think will be starting after 2026?

Maybe 1? More likely 0.

They're all placeholders. It's a complete rebuild.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree. I would be 100% fine with Wilson starting at LG, with Brown as the backup center.

You are right that he should learn the roles of BOTH positions (not 3 as you indicated earlier).

However, I would expect that when they play with pads, Wilson would benefit from learning one position really well, perhaps well enough to start.

3 is C LG RG which of course he should be working at all 3 because he will likely back up all 3.
If Wilson is LG then Strange is backing up all 3.

Brien does not belong on a 53 man roster, he is not an NFL caliber player.

 

[Ring 6]

How many of the current 4 starting OL, other than Campbell, do you think will be starting after 2026?

Maybe 1? More likely 0.

They're all placeholders. It's a complete rebuild.

Onwenu and Bradbury are signed through 2026 and Moses through 2027.
Only Strange will be a Free Agent.

 

[Family]

Onwenu and Bradbury are signed through 2026 and Moses through 2027.
Only Strange will be a Free Agent.

Ownenu will either restructure after this year or leave. They're not having a mid 20's cap hit.
Same with Moses after 2026.
Bradbury is on a two year.

They will spend another high pick next year. Bring in a new FA as well when the time is right. And maybe one of Wallace/Sow will step forward or 1 player stays.

 

[Ring 6]

Ownenu will either restructure after this year or leave. They're not having a mid 20's cap hit.
Same with Moses after 2026.
Bradbury is on a two year.

They will spend another high pick next year. Bring in a new FA as well when the time is right. And maybe one of Wallace/Sow will step forward or 1 player stays.

That’s the NFL.
They have their cornerstone LT.
They have 3 starting IOL one an upcoming free agent, the other 2 signed another year and drafted the replacement for 1. The other 2 will be back. They signed a veteran RT.

Moses is only 1.6 million more to keep than cut next year. Unless he falls apart or gets injured he’s the RT next year too.
Onwenu already has a 21 mill cap hit this year, next is only a 4 mill increase. They could extend him to bring the number down. You can’t restructure in the final year of a contract.
Most likely whoever has a better season out of Strange and Onwenu will be back, if they both have good seasons they will both be back.

You have a remarkable talent for thinking common things are unusual.

 

[Gumby]

Yes, but they haven't been on the field in pads yet.

So beyond interpreting what the coaching staff is doing, there's no reason to really discuss the OL.

So why be on this thread?



Because they've had him with the #1's at every inside OL position. Name one other time you remember that happening.

If he sucks at all of them, that's a mistake. Have him learn one position first. Pretty basic.

1. They haven’t even put on pads yet.
2. Everyone seems to think they KNOW what the coaches are thinking.

Maybe NOT…. TC is for evaluation. Everyone pro & con is assuming they are TRAINING him for the interior 3 positions’ backup.

Maybe they are just EVALUATING him to see which of the 3 spots he CAN DO; and which ones he may have MORE TALENT-UPSIDE than the projected starter. It could be next week with pads that he only practices the spot they figure out is his strong suit. Or maybe y’all are right and they think he can handle 3 roles if only a backup.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

They are giving him a full evaluation
To do that you have to put him as a #1 in all positions
I think Bradbury starts
Wilson continues to get stronger and learns from good coaching
Once the season starts and someone goes down
They will know what his strengths are from this evaluation and if he can be next man up at C, LG, RG
I am not buying into anything other than he is a rookie with good potential
We will know more once the bullets start to fly

 

[n1997y]

We have Bradbury instead of Andrews because we want a young team and are rebuilding?

Naah!

Vrabel just wanted to move on and prefers Bradbury to Andrews.

Where is Andrews playing this season?

Andrews retired after he was cut, because he had nothing left in the tank. There is nothing surprising or even worthy of comment in Vrabel wanting to move on from an over the hill vet with nothing left in the tank.

Note that Bradbury is 30, Andrews 33. So that replacement lowers team age..