Heeree chicki chicki chicki-littles....

[Bruins29]

we shall see......i was one of the first to say that brady wouldn't make it to 2017 here

before the board and the media were talking about it

its easy to argue about abstract things that will never be fully proven one way or another.....its another to have the stones to make concrete predictions.....time will tell

i hope you are still around

just my opinion.....

Well in 2017 he will be 40 years old. So him not being here at 40 inst completely stretching reality. Are you sure you said it before this board and our media said it? And who said it and when? Was it after the KC game?

Regardless,I dont think that prediction is a "takes a lot of stones" one to make.

Anyway, regarding abstract things, yes they are difficult to prove. But if we are talking about Brady's leadership skills and talking about arguing them, I dont see the argument. Sure, you can have an opinion and "mixed emotions" but it does not change facts that he is a tremendous leader, both by example and vocally.

That really isnt an abstract thing.

 

[james87654]

Well in 2017 he will be 40 years old. So him not being here at 40 inst completely stretching reality. Are you sure you said it before this board and our media said it? And who said it and when? Was it after the KC game?

Regardless,I dont think that prediction is a "takes a lot of stones" one to make.

Anyway, regarding abstract things, yes they are difficult to prove. But if we are talking about Brady's leadership skills and talking about arguing them, I dont see the argument. Sure, you can have an opinion and "mixed emotions" but it does not change facts that he is a tremendous leader, both by example and vocally.

That really isnt an abstract thing.

fair enough......i said it before the season started.......some were still saying that he will be here in his 40s and retire when he wants to

i liked his "leadership" against Cincy.....showed toughness and enthusiasm

not so much against KC......almost looked like he checked out

 

[Rob0729]

The Pats will lose a game or few more.

I will criticize those who play and coach poorly.

There is a difference between criticizing a coach or player for play in a particular game and going overboard. I mean saying that Belichick and his staff coached a bad game after a loss is one thing. Saying Belichick has destroyed this team by putting no talent on either side of ball and blowing every draft pick after a loss is another. And we had a lot more of the latter from you and others all last week.

 

[Bruins29]

. And we had a lot more of the latter from you and others all last week.

Agreed. And its tiring and juvenile. There are certain posters here that are very educated football fans, almost hobbyists, if you will, that are willing to point out certain things (moves/decisions) which seemed questionable or backfired. That is what this forum is about.

The 8 year old "BB sucks and TBs old" tantrums are really pathetic.

 

[Rob0729]

This is the sort of self-serving thread that reminds me of another one from the 2010 season two weeks before the AFC Divisional game...

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/threads/lets-hear-it-for-the-homers.721068/

I kind of wish a mod didn't quickly lock that one as it would have at least made for some entertaining personal insult contests. I imagine it would have went like this...

As the person who started the other thread, I will stand by what I said back then. My point back then was to go after the people who acted like the team was turning into a 2-14 team and attacked anyone who felt otherwise as homers and people who sit in their basements and root for the team to collapse so they can come here and brag how they told all of us that this team sucked and Belichick blew it.

I don't have any problem with people voicing legitimate concerns or criticism about this team. I did it myself last week. In fact, I encourage legitimate and rational criticism. This board would suck with 100% homerism.

If you consider it self serving, so be it. But plenty of Arm Chair GMs were doing victory laps last week telling us how they knew all along that the Mankins trade would destroy this team and trying to rub it into people's faces who didn't think so. That is far worse than homers taking victory laps when the team does well because at least the homers are rooting for the best interest of the team.

 

[Kontradiction]

As the person who started the other thread, I will stand by what I said back then. My point back then was to go after the people who acted like the team was turning into a 2-14 team and attacked anyone who felt otherwise as homers and people who sit in their basements and root for the team to collapse so they can come here and brag how they told all of us that this team sucked and Belichick blew it.

I don't have any problem with people voicing legitimate concerns or criticism about this team. I did it myself last week. In fact, I encourage legitimate and rational criticism. This board would suck with 100% homerism.

If you consider it self serving, so be it. But plenty of Arm Chair GMs were doing victory laps last week telling us how they knew all along that the Mankins trade would destroy this team and trying to rub it into people's faces who didn't think so. That is far worse than homers taking victory laps when the team does well because at least the homers are rooting for the best interest of the team.

You probably don't recall correctly what was happening that year and the year before, but the team was coming off of the first season in which they had fallen back to the pack after some questionable decisions were made by the front office. Yes, there were chicken littles abound that season but even people who were legitimately pointing out concerns with the squad in 2009 and 2010 were being lumped in with the people that were voicing prophecies of doom with predictions that the team was 6-10, 7-9 at best. From 2009-2010, I was called a chicken little more times than I can ever recall being called one from 2006-2008 (and keep in mind, I took glee in ****ting on the chicken littles during that point in time). That thread was incredibly self-serving (as this one), but the amount of venom that was spewed even at those who shouldn't be lumped into that catagory bordered on extreme back then whereas this one just seems to be attacking the village idiots.

 

[Deus Irae]

You probably don't recall correctly what was happening that year and the year before, but the team was coming off of the first season in which they had fallen back to the pack after some questionable decisions were made by the front office. Yes, there were chicken littles abound that season but even people who were legitimately pointing out concerns with the squad in 2009 and 2010 were being lumped in with the people that were voicing prophecies of doom with predictions that the team was 6-10, 7-9 at best. From 2009-2010, I was called a chicken little more times than I can ever recall being called one from 2006-2008 (and keep in mind, I took glee in ****ting on the chicken littles during that point in time). That thread was incredibly self-serving (as this one), but the amount of venom that was spewed even at those who shouldn't be lumped into that catagory bordered on extreme back then whereas this one just seems to be attacking the village idiots.

If this thread had been titled

Heeree Homie Homie Homers....

It would have been shut down the moment a mod saw it. It's just the way it is.

 

[iapatsfan]

As the person who started the other thread, I will stand by what I said back then. My point back then was to go after the people who acted like the team was turning into a 2-14 team and attacked anyone who felt otherwise as homers and people who sit in their basements and root for the team to collapse so they can come here and brag how they told all of us that this team sucked and Belichick blew it.

I don't have any problem with people voicing legitimate concerns or criticism about this team. I did it myself last week. In fact, I encourage legitimate and rational criticism. This board would suck with 100% homerism.

If you consider it self serving, so be it. But plenty of Arm Chair GMs were doing victory laps last week telling us how they knew all along that the Mankins trade would destroy this team and trying to rub it into people's faces who didn't think so. That is far worse than homers taking victory laps when the team does well because at least the homers are rooting for the best interest of the team.

I still believe the talent level of this team is low. Just as KC wasn't an accurate reflection of how bad we are, Cinci was not an accurate depiction of how good we are. This game (from a blocking standpoint) will do more to sell me on OL improvement. I know Kyle Williams didn't play last week, but he is expected to play against the Pats. He is a guy that has given us trouble in the past with proven interior offensive linemen blocking him. Between him and Dareus, we will have our toughest blocking assignments yet. I fully expect Solder to have trouble with Hughes, but weirdly enough Mario Williams doesn't scare me much.

 

[Rob0729]

You probably don't recall correctly what was happening that year and the year before, but the team was coming off of the first season in which they had fallen back to the pack after some questionable decisions were made by the front office. Yes, there were chicken littles abound that season but even people who were legitimately pointing out concerns with the squad in 2009 and 2010 were being lumped in with the people that were voicing prophecies of doom with predictions that the team was 6-10, 7-9 at best. From 2009-2010, I was called a chicken little more times than I can ever recall being called one from 2006-2008 (and keep in mind, I took glee in ****ting on the chicken littles during that point in time). That thread was incredibly self-serving (as this one), but the amount of venom that was spewed even at those who shouldn't be lumped into that catagory bordered on extreme back then whereas this one just seems to be attacking the village idiots.

No offense, but your attacking both threads seem to be as self serving as you accuse the threads to be. You seem sensitive to the chicken little criticism because people called you a chicken little.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't remember me lumping people with legitimate criticism of Belichick and the team with the chicken littles who cried at the beginning of that season about how Belichick guaranteed the Pats to be one and done in the playoffs at best for cutting Meriweather and Sanders that season.

 

[Bruins29]

I still believe the talent level of this team is low.

I am not so sure its just talent that may have been the issue. We have TB, the best kicker in the game, best ST gunner, When healthy best TE, a what looks to be solid move TE, RBs are fine. WR isn't stellar for sure but there is potential and JE has filled the WW role admirably.

O line is a ? but looks like they may have found something that works.

On D you have a top 3 FS, Sold if shallow LB group with a all pro middle LB. WV and CJ are great players. Ninko is solid.

Sure there could be more Dline depth and perhaps a better SS although Chung is surprising a lot of people.

Where would you add talent given our cap structure. I see a few places but its not more than 2 spots.

I just dont think you can field a team with excellent players at every position and remain either under the cap or competitive long term.

 

[Bruins29]

And there are plenty of teams that had a ton of talent who diddnt do anything. Scheme, chemistry, preparation, health,and coaching have a lot more to do with success than talent.

If the pats want to flip a high pick right now and spend some of the 9 million in cap space to get a great addition to the LBs or D line I wont complain.

Sure, a big time WR would be nice but who is available and what guarantee do we have he would gell with TB or pick up the system.

 

[iapatsfan]

I am not so sure its just talent that may have been the issue. We have TB, the best kicker in the game, best ST gunner, When healthy best TE, a what looks to be solid move TE, RBs are fine. WR isn't stellar for sure but there is potential and JE has filled the WW role admirably.

O line is a ? but looks like they may have found something that works.

On D you have a top 3 FS, Sold if shallow LB group with a all pro middle LB. WV and CJ are great players. Ninko is solid.

Sure there could be more Dline depth and perhaps a better SS although Chung is surprising a lot of people.

Where would you add talent given our cap structure. I see a few places but its not more than 2 spots.

I just dont think you can field a team with excellent players at every position and remain either under the cap or competitive long term.

I'm not looking for "excellent". At this point "potential" would do. As for how I would add talent - I wouldn't pay premium prices for a 30+ NT freeing up money to add players that actually make a difference in today's NFL. I wouldn't draft guys simply because they came from a "good program", and when picking in the 2nd round I would ask to borrow some other team's player board and pick from that. This would be a start.

Also, I wouldn't play Jamie Collins on anything other than ST. For a guy that can't play the run and is supposed to be good in coverage, he should have given up two huge plays on Sunday. He was torched on Bernard's pass down the left sideline and he was badly beat on the drop by the TE in the end zone. I'm still waiting to see proof of something this guy does well (other than last year's Colts game). I have heard he's good in the long jump...not sure how that translates. There was one play against Cinci where he got close to Dalton before he threw it, so that's an improvement. Jamie Collins = Gary Guyton 2.0.

 

[Kontradiction]

No offense, but your attacking both threads seem to be as self serving as you accuse the threads to be. You seem sensitive to the chicken little criticism because people called you a chicken little.

Not sensitive to it at all. I just thought it was hilarious and a pretty good connection between both threads could be made. The difference is that those of us who didn't see Gerard Warren as the answer at DE or Sam Aiken as a viable WR3 were called idiots or dismissed as those that are perpetually down on the team back then. I think the line is a little clearer now but both threads are still self-serving "hooray for us and **** everyone else" style threads.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't remember me lumping people with legitimate criticism of Belichick and the team with the chicken littles who cried at the beginning of that season about how Belichick guaranteed the Pats to be one and done in the playoffs at best for cutting Meriweather and Sanders that season.

Well, for one, you made that thread at the end of the 2010 season as a "good for you", pat-on-the-back style thread for those that fought the good fight, seemingly because they didn't think issues were issues two weeks before the issues became pretty evident against a team we beat 45-3. So Sanders and Meriweather were still on the team. For another, you seemed to be aware, back then, of the difference between someone pointing out potential weaknesses and issues and chicken littles. That's why, if you reference my post on page two of that thread, you'll see my first sentence directed at you.

In the end, it's the same thing right now. The issues that were there in the first three games haven't all disappeared either.

 

[Ivan]

sheesh.......i just said "mixed emotions"

he's had a few marino moments.....those early teams had lots of other veteran leaders....plus BB as the ultimate leader

i should have just said that he's the greatest leader of all time

In football terms he is certainly one if them. Like I said before you can question his demeanor at times but questioning his leadership doesn't make much sense to me as he has excelled in pretty much every aspect of it.

 

[james87654]

In football terms he is certainly one if them. Like I said before you can question his demeanor at times but questioning his leadership doesn't make much sense to me as he has excelled in pretty much every aspect of it.

how does one judge leadership? How would you compare Bradys leadership to Montana or Elway or even Manning?

 

[PATS16N0]

how does one judge leadership? How would you compare Bradys leadership to Montana or Elway or even Manning?

Really?

 

[Bruins29]

how does one judge leadership? How would you compare Bradys leadership to Montana or Elway or even Manning?

 

[PATS16N0]

I have no idea why you keep on bringing up the "Brady sucks" hysteria as defense for your "Belichick sucks" hysteria. Do you have some misguided notion that one is an excuse for the other? It isn't. Just because someone acted like a moron on a different subject didn't make your points any less ridiculous. I let your quote of "Last season was Brady's last gasp at covering up for Belichick's ********, his obsession with Rutger JAG's, his arrogance." stand on its own. As you said before, you stand behind everything you said in that thread. I'm sorry you have to put up with Belichick's ********. It must have been real hard for you to deal with him these past 14 years.

Do you have problems with logic?

In the very thing you're quoting me on I say: "I've never said a single thing bad thing about Belichick before, ever." and continued "but I'll throw molotovs if people want to blame this on Brady" (to paraphrase, forget exact quote)

So WTF is your point? While saying this I was in the Skip Bayless thread defending his 12-4 predictions, and in a bunch of others saying history is on our side, giving examples of being written off in 2011 and 2013.
How does that fit into your trolling?

I wasn't in some board wide, week long campaign to fire Belichick.

Learn how to read and follow conversations. Helps in life.

 

[PATS16N0]

Week #4 sucked for football but it was great for learning who is a Patriot fan and who is a stealth troll masquerading as one (unless your account got "hacked" of course lololol)

 

[james87654]

Really?

i thought brady showed great emotion and leadership against cincy
i thought he looked checked out against KC
i thought he could have answered the media question, "do you have enough talent around you to win?" in a better way by saying yes......regardless of how he felt.......a leader says yes to that question......he said, "well see"
do either of you know of an objective way to quantify leadership?......not just subjective feeling and judgment and team accomplishment

i hope BSR was using Vaseline while he was "debating" PATS16N0.....