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Apologies, as I had been in the middle of my post when you were posting yours.
Didn't mean to state the same thing.
Glad you did, and you said it more eloquently, if less succinctly...
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Didn't mean to state the same thing.
Speculation is fun - it's the ragging on players that sucks big time. If I were building a team and I could put Amendola on it, I would. He's put up 600-700 yards three times in his short career, including two seasons where he played only 11 and 12 games. That's not as common as many people here seem to think. he's also not one of those guys who sits when he's hurt. Twice now in his career, he's played when he probably shouldn't have, and obviously in pain. He's tough as nails and loves the game - Edelman is the same way.
I thought teams were nuts last year when they didn't bring JE on board cheap, and his injury history had been worse than DA's up to that point.
If DA goes to the right team, though, running a system that plays to his strengths, like ours does, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see him put up 1,000 yards. Nor would I be surprised to see JE get hurt and miss most of the year next year. They really are mirror images of each other.
True, but why the rush? Your assumption seems to be that this year will be true every year and that whatever the Pats saw as talent will never consistently show on the field. That is the only way you can argue a cost savings. If he produces next year on another team, then the Pats just throw the money away and look like fools. If he is injured all of next season, then it really isn't any less cost effective to release him then and the team gave it the old college try. Saving $1 million or so is not major in the grand scheme of salary cap management.
And you stated in your prior post that people view the Brandon Lloyd release as cost savings. Everything I have heard and read indicates a general understanding of a bad locker room presence that was worth the dead money to lose. It had nothing to do with money. Who is saying that release had anything to do with saving money? I hadn't heard that story, so I'd love to hear who is making that claim.
Speculation is fun - it's the ragging on players that sucks big time. If I were building a team and I could put Amendola on it, I would. He's put up 600-700 yards three times in his short career, including two seasons where he played only 11 and 12 games. That's not as common as many people here seem to think. he's also not one of those guys who sits when he's hurt. Twice now in his career, he's played when he probably shouldn't have, and obviously in pain. He's tough as nails and loves the game - Edelman is the same way.
I thought teams were nuts last year when they didn't bring JE on board cheap, and his injury history had been worse than DA's up to that point.
If DA goes to the right team, though, running a system that plays to his strengths, like ours does, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see him put up 1,000 yards. Nor would I be surprised to see JE get hurt and miss most of the year next year. They really are mirror images of each other.
I guess we do not even know if the Patriots still see what they saw in Amendola when they signed him. * * * Lloyd, Johnson, Dowling, Price, Tate, Fells, Ballard, and others were all acquired and invested in based on something the Patriots saw, flash forward 12-24 months, and that is no longer the case.
I think it was clear that confidence in Amendola was not high at the conclusion of the 2013-14 season. He was the lead dog coming into the season, throughout training camp and preseason, he was injured in week one but upon his return he was worked into the lineup ahead of Edelman for the games leading up to the Broncos game and in the first half of the Broncos game. ***
The groin injury would have improved as the season progressed * * * I know you can point to the injury as cause but Amendola showed the ability to be productive in games with that injury so I cannot attribute it to the injury.
The reason not to wait is simple, do you continue to invest into something that you do not have confidence in with the hope it gets better, or do you cut your losses and move on. My question is why spend more money on Amendola, especially if that limits your ability to retain Edelman.
Wouldn't be surprised if its true, and the team on the other end is Houston. BB could be trying to sell Mallet and Amendola for a higher pick. BOB needs a slot wr and DA is from the Houston area.
All just speculation. Personally I hope its not true. I'm still a big Amendola supporter.
Many of those are rookies, and frankly that is always a crap shoot. Chad Johnson was a player from a very different system who could not fit in the Pats offense. I believe when it's all said and done, there was hope Lloyd could fit in the Pats locker room, and in the end simply couldn't. He had a contract set-up for restructuring, but I heard little of efforts to do so. Fells was a low cost chance, as was Ballard (who was signed after a significant injury and was a low cost gamble on recovery).
Lloyd and Johnson were not injured. They appeared to be catastrophically bad fits when on the roster. Lloyd due to personality and Johnson due to an inability to pick up the offense at all. Neither left because he was displaced by another receiver.
54 receptions is far from awful for Amendola. If he was actually injured for much of the season, that is very productive. I haven't heard anything that would suggest the Pats are dissatisfied with him, or believe him to be a bad fit for the system.
The Pats had nobody to throw to with experience, and Amendola played 12 of 16 games. If the injury was a serious groin injury, and he sat out only 4 weeks for an injury that requires 4 - 12 weeks recovery time, then how precisely is he recovering as the season goes on? He was either healthy, or he was not and would not be likely to improve if unhealthy due to continued play time. Any injured player is not going to play with 100% ability. Any attempt to assess when he was and was not catching passes has to involve what defenses were doing with other options. If he was being covered 1-on-1 by a LB, then he could still likely make plays. Not knowing what was going on injury-wise, there is simply no way to tell.
That is the problem. Throwing $4.8 million away, with no receiver and an escalating cap number, has literally nothing to do with JE. The Pats actually have more restrictions by cutting him. Salary cap management does not require future salary payment within the cap. It is the here and now. Promise JE $9.5 million over 2 years with $9 million next year and the hit is $500k. Teams have deadlines to make the cap figures work. If the Pats had to pay Amendola more than the dead money hit, it might make sense. But by your logic it would make sense to simply flush $5 million and pay for a replacement receiver. If he cannot play within the system (not apparently the case) or is a locker room problem (the same), then dump him for those reasons. Your investment logic is akin to losing money on a stock and giving the stock away to someone else rather than waiting to see if it rebounds or can be sold for less of a loss in the near future.
Cut Danny Amendola before 4PM March 11 and make him a June 2 designation:
That means the Pats would carry his $3 million salary and his $375,000 roster bonus on their books until June 2nd. On June 2nd he would be released. His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $1.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration) – net cap savings in 2014 of around $2.88 million.
His 2015 cap number would go from $5.575 million to $3.6 million.
- See more at: Danny Amendola ? Cap Scenarios atriots Salary Cap
To be fair, Pompei did write this. But he didn't actually say the Patriots are the ones floating his name.
it might be closer to the Bears' proposed three way trade so they could get Cutler.
After reading Dan Pompei’s NFL notes on the Bleacher Report, in which the respected Pompei reports that Danny Amendola’s name has been floated in trade talks, it makes one wonder if the Patriots are having some buyer’s remorse. I thought Amendola looked terrific in offseason camps, the preseason and the regular-season opener before significantly injuring his groin, and I put Amendola’s lower than expected production in that context. If I’m Amendola, it hurts to read that after playing through the groin injury in 2013. Quick-hit thoughts around NFL & Patriots - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
You mean like the Pats let JE walk away last year?
Okay, how about this: Houston has two players rumored to be upcoming cap casualties.
So Amendola and Mallet for Jonathan Joseph and Owen Daniels.
We get Joseph and so if we can't get the Talib deal done, no big deal. Houston has Daniels' replacement waiting in the wings and are going to let him hit FA by all reports.
Other than the dead money Houston eats for Joseph, which they'll eat if they cut him anyway, as is rumored, his contract will cost about the same as Amendola's. Obviously we would love Owen Daniels here and Houston doesn't want his cap hit (which will be much less than he'll probably get on the open market, given the Pitta deal).
Houston gets Mallet and the slot receiver they need.
We certainly "win" that trade, particularly since we re-up JE to fill the DA hole. But Houston "wins" too, since they are reportedly simply cutting the pair, and they'll get DA cheaper than they could get JE, if they could even get JE...and they get BOB's potential QB, allowing them to grab Mack or Clowney or a tackle in Round 1.
Speculation, the spice of the off-season.
Lloyd is comparable to Amendola; he entered with high expectations and had experience playing in a McDaniel’s system. Josh had coached Lloyd for multi seasons in Denver and St Louis so I would be surprised if there were, locker room issues that they were unaware of, I feel it was an exaggeration by the media; nobody from the Patriots camp including players has ever said anything negative about Lloyd.
By the time, the AFC Championship game came along it had been it had been 20 weeks since he suffered the groin injury. During that time, he had sat out games 2, 3, 4, and 6, and he had week 9 and 18 as bye weeks. I feel as though he would have been healthiest in week 20 and that was his worst performance of the year.
You are looking at 2014 only, if the Patriots retain Edelman long term the big picture is what things look like over a 4-5 year period. That means if they cut Amendola 2014 takes a hit but the other 3-4 years look much better, than if they prolong it and attempt to make both players fit into a system that they are both best fit to play the slot receiver in.
They can also save $2.88 million if they cut him as Miguel outlined.
TJ Moe will make Amendola expendable, if we can trade him and get something for him great.
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