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Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

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Amendola at least knew the offense we were running from his time in St. Louis. TJ Moe would step in and be clueless.

That could be the problem right there, the version of McDaniels offense Amendola knew was the one that scored 12.1 PPG and finished 32nd in the NFL. Maybe we should teach him the newer version and that will solve everything.

I agree with you I know Bleacher Report was high on Moe but personally I am not a huge fan. I think he could be a practice squad candidate, but he had speed limitations before rupturing his Achilles so he may also be gone before the conclusion of OTAs.
 
The Pats don't talk to the media, so don't expect confirmation on problems with Lloyd. I didn't say Lloyd's quirks were unknown, however much as was the case with Haynesworth there have been occasions when the Pats believe a new environment can remedy defects when at times it cannot.

I cannot answer the unanswerable here. Nor can you. There are degrees of injuries. Try not listening to doctors and running on a sprained ankle and tell me how long it limits your abilities and takes to heal. That would be a long time with continued use. If he were injured, and the team wanted him at 70% because 70% of Amendola was better than the other options, then the injury may well have never healed. If 100% of Edelman became a more palatable option for Brady and thus Brady threw to him more, then that says nothing of a healthy Amendola.

If you walk to work with a groin injury, it hurts. If you are not Joe Somebody on the streets and have to make high speed cuts with that injury playing a sport at the highest level imaginable, then it will impact your ability to play to some degree. Unless you have played professional football, you cannot fathom how much that can affect your play. Stats, with all the variables that can make a nobody a star on a given day, do not answer that question at all as a player can look stellar because nobody is really defending him. The numbers could be the injury, could be the fit in the system, or could be a product of any number of scenarios. We will never know.

I do not doubt that he was injured and less than 100%. I just feel by week five very few, if any players are 100% so it is all about overcoming adversity. The great players overcome adversity better than the other players do, that is separates them. I also have to account for the medical staff in the NFL. They are the best of the best, and they have access to solutions to help manage pain. Will it eliminate it all together? Hell no, but it helps. Combine that with the adrenaline of the game itself and muscles loosen up once they warm up. I believe the groin limited his ability to practice with the team during the week, which I am sure hurt him, I do not think it was that big of an issue during the actual games. He had his best game on the day he suffered the injury, if pain was going to limit him it would have been that day, if would never have been worse in week 20 of the season than it was in week 1.

I do not think Amendola would have played if he were not capable. His agent and he would not have put him in the predicament where he was going to go out there and get himself released in the offseason; they knew that his contract relied heavily on his production. I also do not think the Patriots would be floating his name as a player for trade or release if they felt the groin injury limited his ability to perform.


I am not looking at 2014 only. I read Miguel's summary quickly and missed that, so I agree it is a $2.9 million savings this year. The net loss over 2014 and 2015 is still $4.8 million with a quick termination of the deal. How are things much better long term by that? If the Pats bail and Amendola stays healthy, then that is about a $5 million failure in decisionmaking. In a multi-year deal, a first year cut is a major decision that should only be made if there is little chance of success. The salary cap, now and in the future, has risen, so $2.9 million savings this year should not greatly affect the ability to offer JE a multi-year deal if that is the direction chosen.

I personally have no issue with Amendola remaining on the Patriots for 2014 and beyond. He is a solid contributor, seems to be a hard worker, and I really appreciated his willingness to give to the one fund. I do believe where there is smoke there is fire and these rumors are widespread; I received an NFL.com alert on my iPhone today that said “Patriots sour on Amendola”. So I have to assume the Patriots are moving in a different direction, and I do not see enough upside in Amendola to care if they do.

I would not keep Edelman and Amendola unless we did not have a salary cap. They are very, very similar players and having them both on the field limits this offense. They can run deep routes but neither one of them are respected as threats beyond 10 yards, they are played the way Rajon Rondo is played when he is outside the paint.

Amendola and Edelman combined to be targeted 234 times resulting in 159 receptions in 2013, and only 30 receptions were made on balls that traveled 11+ yards in the air.

And the fact they both can play slot does not mean they are redundant. They are not the same player, with pros and cons physically, so they can both be on the field as wide receivers, which is ultimately the position they play. The Pats are known for creatively using players, and for a team with 5 receiver sets that may use a RB as a receiver or a LB as a receiver, it is not necessarily a case of one or the other.

Other factors to keep in mind (stats include playoffs) –

- Amendola had 3 receptions inside the red zone.
- Amendola had 37 of his receptions on our side of the field, once we crossed the 50-yard line 20 receptions.
- Amendola had 7 receptions when the temperature was below 50f. Our two warmest games of the year were week 1, which was 80f, and week 13, which was 85f in those games Amendola had 23 catches combined.
- Amendola had 14 receptions on third down.

These are all things that Belichick is going to take into consideration.
 
I actually think Moe will be fortunate to make the practice squad.

2012 – Jamie Ebert
2013 – TJ Moe
2014 – White WR X who we will anoint the next great slot receiver

Moe missed his year and once the seventh round of the draft and UDFA signings take place this season he will be fighting an uphill battle.

I'm getting really tired of your ongoing racism against small white guys, tbh.
 
I'm getting really tired of your ongoing racism against small white guys, tbh.


 
Just note on the "smoke and fire" comment.

Ben Volin started all of this back after the AFCCG when he postulated that Brady had lost all confidence in Amendola because he hadn't thrown to him when he was open a couple of time and what he cited as reduced snaps.

When some of his readers reminded him of the AFCDG, where Amendola and Edelman were Brady's go-to's and both performed well, AND pointed out to him that Amendola's snap counts were among the highest on the team, Volin basically admitted that his "report" was all speculation.

Now we've got CBS and everyone else "reporting" about the Amendola trade and sour issue, and yet ALL OF THEM refer back to Dan Pompei.

That's an echo chamber. Is it possible that the Pats have floated Amendola's name? Of course - wouldn't you? You've got Edelman and Amendola... redundant, as you said. You control one and can get the other one back, almost certainly at similar cost.

If the Pats can recover value to the dead money in Amendola's contract, why wouldn't they trade him?

The "soured" part is PURE speculation. There have been no reports, anonymous sources, remarks publicly, or anything else to substantiate that.

Boston sports media sucks. They are about clicks and sensationalism. About the only guys I trust, particularly with the Pats, are Reiss and Gaspar, and Reiss is mystified by these reports.
 
I also trust TC...perhaps more than any other scribe
 
Just note on the "smoke and fire" comment.

Ben Volin started all of this back after the AFCCG when he postulated that Brady had lost all confidence in Amendola because he hadn't thrown to him when he was open a couple of time and what he cited as reduced snaps.

When some of his readers reminded him of the AFCDG, where Amendola and Edelman were Brady's go-to's and both performed well, AND pointed out to him that Amendola's snap counts were among the highest on the team, Volin basically admitted that his "report" was all speculation.

Now we've got CBS and everyone else "reporting" about the Amendola trade and sour issue, and yet ALL OF THEM refer back to Dan Pompei.

That's an echo chamber. Is it possible that the Pats have floated Amendola's name? Of course - wouldn't you? You've got Edelman and Amendola... redundant, as you said. You control one and can get the other one back, almost certainly at similar cost.

If the Pats can recover value to the dead money in Amendola's contract, why wouldn't they trade him?

The "soured" part is PURE speculation. There have been no reports, anonymous sources, remarks publicly, or anything else to substantiate that.

Boston sports media sucks. They are about clicks and sensationalism. About the only guys I trust, particularly with the Pats, are Reiss and Gaspar, and Reiss is mystified by these reports.

From my perspective, this could be about Belichick wanting to see a player succeed even if it is not as a member of his team. If the Patriots retain Edelman, which appears to be their desire then Amendola most likely would become the #3 or #4 receiver on this team, is that really in the best interest of Amendola? Belichick and Kraft likely made a commitment to Amendola that he would be a starter when he signed here last offseason, if Edelman is here they will not be able to uphold that commitment so they are likely trying to do right by Amendola and find him a place that can, while helping the team at the same time.

Belichick has always attempted to let coaches and players that were under him go to places that gave them the best opportunity to succeed, he has never held a player back for the sake of hording talent. Bledsoe, Cassel, and others have all been examples of this, even McDaniels this season with the Browns opportunity, Belichick never holds people back.

If you are a fan of Amendola, do you really want to see him as a fourth receiver? I am not even a huge fan and I would prefer to see the guy get an opportunity to go someplace where he can meet his max potential.
 
I also trust TC...perhaps more than any other scribe

Ah yes, forgot TC - he's very good. he's also doubting the reports, I believe.
 
Ah yes, forgot TC - he's very good. he's also doubting the reports, I believe.

Curran posts here from time to time under the screen name of prentice mccray. Bedard also stops in from time to time as well, as does Shalize Manza Young.
 
However you choose to soft-pedal this now, the fact you've done it is unnecessary and offensive.

Not funny in the slightest.


Yeah OK. I'm white first of all, second it is not a racist term whatsoever actually if you look at any application it will say white Caucasian right on it.

Second Amendola, Edelman, Ebert, Moe, Shipley, and a few others have all been compared to Welker for years now.

Please explain to me what exactly you find offensive about my suggesting that people consider 5'10 white guys who play the slot the next Welker? Is being the next Welker a negative thing?

I'm sorry man but you are being ridiculous. There was no racist or inappropriate slurs used it was something that has occurred regularly for year and you know it.
 
Yeah OK. I'm white first of all, second it is not a racist term whatsoever actually if you look at any application it will say white Caucasian right on it.

Second Amendola, Edelman, Ebert, Moe, Shipley, and a few others have all been compared to Welker for years now.

Please explain to me what exactly you find offensive about my thinking that people consider 5'10 white guys who play the slot the next Welker? Is being the next Welker a negative thing?
I don't give a rat's ass what your race is -- race-labeling has no place here, period. Is the race of a player who plays ANY position significant in some way to you that it has to be specified? You must be pointing it out for a reason.
 
Yeah OK. I'm white first of all, second it is not a racist term whatsoever actually if you look at any application it will say white Caucasian right on it.

Second Amendola, Edelman, Ebert, Moe, Shipley, and a few others have all been compared to Welker for years now.

Please explain to me what exactly you find offensive about my suggesting that people consider 5'10 white guys who play the slot the next Welker? Is being the next Welker a negative thing?

I'm sorry man but you are being ridiculous. There was no racist or inappropriate slurs used it was something that has occurred regularly for year and you know it.
I don't understand why people feel the need to throw in white player, black player, gay player, likes to wear a tutu player. To me, they're all players. I couldn't give a stuff about ethnicities or their proclivities.
 
I don't give a rat's ass what your race is -- race-labeling has no place here, period. Is the race of a player who plays ANY position significant in some way to you that it has to be specified? You must be pointing it out for a reason.


Or maybe you noticed that me and your birthday buddy Joker have not been seeing eye to eye recently and you are just looking for a reason to give me a hard time. I have read your posts for over a year you've done a lot worse than refer to a receiver as white so save it. I'm not going to be ganged up on because you and Joker have some ridiculous and unmerited issue with me as a poster.
 
I don't understand why people feel the need to throw in white player, black player, gay player, likes to wear tutus player. To me, they're all just players.
Absolutely correct. Race-labeling is racism, pure and simple.
 
I don't understand why people feel the need to throw in white player, black player, gay player, likes to wear a tutu player. To me, they're all players. I couldn't give a stuff about ethnicities or their proclivities.


I threw it in because it happened. People compare those players to Welker and have for years and it does have to do with the fact that they are white. I never here Randell Cobb or TY Hilton being called the next Welker. I was not race labeling at all I was actually poking fun at the fact that people always believe that. I don't actually believe it I think Reggie Dunn as just as much of a chance to be the next Welker as Moe.

But let's not pretend that people do not base that comparisons simplistically on their races.
 
Or maybe you noticed that me and your birthday buddy Joker have not been seeing eye to eye recently and you are just looking for a reason to give me a hard time. I'm not going to be ganged up on because you and Joker have some ridiculous and unmerited issue with me as a poster.
WTF does any of this have to do with Joker? YOU are race-labeling in your posts and somehow think it's cute and funny. I'm calling you on it and you have no defense, because there simply isn't any.

I have read your posts for over a year you've done a lot worse than refer to a receiver as white so save it.
Please share an example. After you've failed at that as well, take a running jump.
 
WTF does any of this have to do with Joker? YOU are race-labeling in your posts and somehow think it's cute and funny. I'm calling you on it and you have no defense, because there simply isn't any.



Please share an example. After you've failed at that as well, take a running jump.


Whatever man I did not mean it like that. I was making fun of the fact that people always label those players the next Welker. I was not trying to sound racist at all. I am not racist, homophobic or anything else. I apologize if it came across that way and I didn't mean to offend anyone including you.
 
WTF does any of this have to do with Joker? YOU are race-labeling in your posts and somehow think it's cute and funny. I'm calling you on it and you have no defense, because there simply isn't any.



Please share an example. After you've failed at that as well, take a running jump.


Arrogant Brit... Is that not labeling?

Good news -- the haughty stuffed shirt is leaving CNN's prime slot. He was bad from the beginning. At least he admits why he failed. An arrogant Brit debating American cultural issues is a non-starter by definition. Time to find the next Larry King.

IIRC, someone launched an online petition a while back asking CNN to drop Morgan. I wonder if it had any impact. Probably just a ratings thing, though.

Piers Morgan Live Ending: Reports
 
WTF does any of this have to do with Joker? YOU are race-labeling in your posts and somehow think it's cute and funny. I'm calling you on it and you have no defense, because there simply isn't any.



Please share an example. After you've failed at that as well, take a running jump.



The Goodell-as-Hitler image is funny. It was not designed, nor intended, to depict Roger Goodell as a genocidal maniac or in any way diminish the historical evil of Adolph Hitler. It is a SATIRICAL/FARCICAL commentary on the commissioner's overbearing, oft-dictatorial (so it seems) style of management. That is all. I swear, how some of you guys turned this into something to be "offended" about is political correctness at its most absurd. Arnold Schwarzenegger had a term for this -- "girly men."



:bricks:


I'm 50% Jewish and that picture was extremely offensive.
 
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