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Lifting weights and stretching is going to prevent broken collarbones and concussions?

I don't really want to get dragged down this particur alley, but exercising does increase bone strength.
 
Amendola made no attempt to avoid that hit (which was perfectly legal).

He doesn't know how to protect himself, and he is injury prone. It is what it is.

This place is hilarious.
 
Well, in his defense, you'd think people who play in the NFL would have professional trainers, or something like that...

If only those folks were as up-to-speed on stuff like this as weekend warriors.

Some players seem to have the injury bug, whether it's a nagging forever injury (Dowling, and I fear, Talib, with the hip), while others have bad luck with the timing of an injury (Amendola, 1st game blues as opposed to Welker's last game tear), or with the number of unrelated injuries (Edelman, and Amendola seems to have bad luck both ways!).

I'm curious, what percentage of STARTING players play all 16 games in the NFL? I'm betting it varies greatly by position, and I'm betting the % is a lot lower than most fans understand. Almost every fan board every year moans about the "injury bug," blissfully unaware, apparently, that other teams are getting decimated on a regular basis.

Next week: we design a bra for Mayo.



Actually i am pretty sure Brady6 has to spend the next few weeks teaching Tom Brady how to throw a football accurately, and that should really help Brady because he has never worked on that before. After that he can design an armored collar for Mayo, and then a workout routine for him so he won't get hurt again. These patriot players have no idea how lucky they are to have cutting edge insight like his to put them on the right path to success.
 

That's not a complete training program. The article says "added MMA training to his workout regimen" and "normal football training routine." It states "he believed [MMA training] would help his cardio." The cardio training was added to whatever his normal routine may have been.

This is comparable to adding pushups to a powerlifting weight training routine. It does not mean you are running a pushup specific training regimen (it is complementary and/or variety). Or throwing in a cardio boxing workout to normal training. The article is fairly clear that Amendola added cardio MMA training to an unspecified football training program, which could be training directed to agility, stamina, weight training, flexibility, or any/all of the above.

As an example, this would be an illustration of a football training program for a wide receiver.
 
Re: Re: Thru week 6 Amendola has only proven his critics correct…

He recovered very quickly from that, and this entire thread was started because he decided to let his brain bounce off his skull instead of crawling into the fetal position when a defender got within 5 yards.

That is untrue and you know it. I started this thread because Amendola was labeled by his critics as injury prone and to this point in his career he has been just that.

He is still on the injury report because of the groin so I don't think he is recovered from anything, whether he is out or playing with an aliment he is still injured and its limiting his effectiveness which has been the case for 100% of the season which confirms the critics assertion that he was injury prone.

No, he has produced facts. You just don't like them.

What facts have been produced? The fact that you guys are trying to manipulate an injury that has affected to 4.7% of live game action into to being the focus of the discussion and ignoring the other 95.3% of live game action that was missed with a muscle tear, and muscle tears are generally associated with poor or incorrect conditioning.

Can you dispute Amendola being injured at some level all season? Because that is the only thing that would discredit what was said in my OP, so unless you can do that all your really doing is trying to spin things.
 
I like Amendola and hope he gets to show his talents in a Patriots uniform, even if it is in between time off for injury.
Letting Wes Welker go (especially to a team/QB who is going to do glorious things with him) is unforgivable and the 2 issues are independent of each other.
 
That is untrue and you know it. I started this thread because Amendola was labeled by his critics as injury prone and to this point in his career he has been just that.
You started it because he sustained an injury. If he wasn't injured in the Saints game are you saying you would have started it anyway?

He is still on the injury report because of the groin so I don't think he is recovered from anything, whether he is out or playing with an aliment he is still injured and its limiting his effectiveness which has been the case for 100% of the season which confirms the critics assertion that he was injury prone.
Every player in the NFL has some sort of injury that makes them less than 100%. He was back, and playing fully, and very quickly.



What facts have been produced? The fact that you guys are trying to manipulate an injury that has affected to 4.7% of live game action into to being the focus of the discussion and ignoring the other 95.3% of live game action that was missed with a muscle tear, and muscle tears are generally associated with poor or incorrect conditioning.
The explanations that are given that you call 'excuses' are facts. You are choosing to dismiss them because they get in the way of your cause celebre.

Can you dispute Amendola being injured at some level all season? Because that is the only thing that would discredit what was said in my OP, so unless you can do that all your really doing is trying to spin things.
You have made 100s of posts in this thread that go beyond your OP. If you had STFU then, you would not have lost nearly as much credibility.
 
You started it because he sustained an injury. If he wasn't injured in the Saints game are you saying you would have started it anyway?

As I said in several posts I would have opened the thread regardless of the head injury that occurred with 2 minutes remaining in the third quarter. My decision to open the thread was actually made after the play in which he and Brady failed to connect on what would have been a sure touchdown, after that play Amendola limped noticeably, after that he also had at least 1 drop and for the day he had 2 receptions for 0 yards, the week prior against the Bengals he played in just 38 of a possible 63 snaps and he was targeted 9 times yet had 4 receptions. On the season Amendola has played in 146 of a possible 449 offensive snaps for 32%. Between 10-12 offensive snaps came after the head injury, why would I open a thread based on 13 snaps, that is just a ridiculous accusation and the fact you continue to respond to my posts as if I created the OP based on 2% of the offensive snaps this season is the issue here, you’re trying to make this about me being this person who is blaming a player for suffering a head injury but I am not, Danny Amendola had an injury that either caused him to miss or play at a diminished level for the 436 offensive snaps played prior to the head injury that is 98% of the snaps Andy, so you, Ivan, DaBruinz and some others need to stop making this about Brady6 being insensitive of a head injury and open your eyes to the fact that 98% of the snaps occurred before that head injury and Danny Amendola was injured for EVERY SINGLE one of them point, blank, period.


Every player in the NFL has some sort of injury that makes them less than 100%. He was back, and playing fully, and very quickly.

I don’t agree with that, but even if it was the case it doesn’t diminish their play which was the case for Amendola who was targeted 13 times resulting in 6 receptions, 2 drops, 55 receiving yards and 0 touchdowns since his return against the Bengals. Those statistics do not merit being the 27th highest paid receiver in the entire NFL, so I guess my thinking he is injured still is wishful thinking because the alternative is we overpaid for a subpar player.

The explanations that are given that you call 'excuses' are facts. You are choosing to dismiss them because they get in the way of your cause celebre.

If you do not feel that conditioning and weight training does not play a factor in injuries you likely have never played a sport or been to a gym, I did not say it would make you bullet proof but added muscle mass does protect athletes from injuries and proper training in terms of flexibility does prevent groin injuries, hamstring pulls, etc. Those are proven scientific facts, maybe it would have help Danny in particular areas maybe it would not have but when a player is taking the field less than 50% of the time over the past 3 years I would say it is worthwhile to consider a change in his offseason training regimen which would incorporate more training specific to injury prevention. Do you disagree, and feel what Danny is currently doing is putting him in the optimal position to succeed during the season?

You have made 100s of posts in this thread that go beyond your OP. If you had (Please be quiet - edited) then, you would not have lost nearly as much credibility.

I don’t understand what you’ve written here? Are you suggesting that I should just sit back and watch people like Ivan and other despair me across this forum with false accusations such as I said to “let Welker leave during free agency and make the slot position less of a focus” when I was not even a member here when the Welker situation played out, or let them center their response around me as forum member instead of providing tangible information to negate my OP, or just watch this entire thread be centered around and injury that affect 2% of the team’s offensive snaps this season?

How exactly did I lose credibility because it occurs to me I am positioning facts to confirm the already establish opinions of a players critics, and others are manipulating information to meet their agenda’s or disrespecting this forum by being insulting or demeaning towards me as a poster simply because they disagree with my position on Danny Amendola. Outside of some heat of the moment response I have responded with facts, Amendola came in with the reputation amongst his critics for being injury prone, during his time hear he has appeared on every injury report (for the groin injury) and played in just 32% of the team’s offensive snaps due to injury. My credibility is in place solidly those who are making arguments around 2% of the offensive snaps, ignoring actualities or just spewing BS to continue a pissing match are the ones who’s credibility will be held in question, no matter if the other 5-7 forum members who align with their agenda like their posts or not., creditability has and always will be associated with truth and reality and there is no debating that Amendola has done exactly what his critics said he would do which is be injured during his tenure to this point. If you have a valid argument to dispute that please feel free to present it and I will look at with a fair and even mentality but if you’re just going to keep spinning the same crap and then calling my creditability into question as some public power play to imply strength your wasting both of are times, because I will continue to respond with percentages, raw numbers, publications and reports that discredit any spin you attempt to make, this is not a political debate, Danny Amendola is injured he has been since week 2 of the preseason that is a FACT. So why don’t you just stop and accept the fact your wrong on this and that Amendola has not done anything through week 6 to prove his critics incorrect.
 
Actually i am pretty sure Brady6 has to spend the next few weeks teaching Tom Brady how to throw a football accurately, and that should really help Brady because he has never worked on that before. After that he can design an armored collar for Mayo, and then a workout routine for him so he won't get hurt again. These patriot players have no idea how lucky they are to have cutting edge insight like his to put them on the right path to success.

Ivan well-conditioned athletes who training their bodies with injury prevention in mind do not tear their groin muscles in week 1 of the regular season, if you want to ignore that and instead make fun of me that is fine but it doesn’t change the reality of the situation. The definition insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, so if Amendola is continuing to train and play football the same way and expecting a different result than he has been met with over the past 3 NFL season that Ivan is insanity and you advocating for it or making fun of me for suggesting a change is insanity as well.
 
That's not a complete training program. The article says "added MMA training to his workout regimen" and "normal football training routine." It states "he believed [MMA training] would help his cardio." The cardio training was added to whatever his normal routine may have been.

This is comparable to adding pushups to a powerlifting weight training routine. It does not mean you are running a pushup specific training regimen (it is complementary and/or variety). Or throwing in a cardio boxing workout to normal training. The article is fairly clear that Amendola added cardio MMA training to an unspecified football training program, which could be training directed to agility, stamina, weight training, flexibility, or any/all of the above.

As an example, this would be an illustration of a football training program for a wide receiver.

Danny Amendola plays the slot wide receiver position much different than Welker did, Welker was much more finesse whereas Amendola is more physical, he wants to run through tackles like a running back yet he checks in at between 183-195 Lbs. depending on the site, so he is attempting to do play like Stevan Ridley who is at least 30 Lbs. heavier despite being basically the same height, Amendola is a very gifted player and extremely competitive but at 185 Lbs. he is unlikely to ever sustain in the NFL unless he incorporates some of the intelligent decision making that Welker had.
 
Did you read it?
It does not support your claim, and you still have not explained how training would prevent a broken collarbone or concussion.

Here is the article with the parts that conflict with your assertions bolded.

Patriots slot receiver Danny Amendola added MMA training to his workout regimen this offseason, and he was at the gym with some of the greatest fighters in the world.Amendola admitted he was hesitant at first, but the reassurance that Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture wouldn't turn his face into a plate of spaghetti might have swayed his final opinion."I definitely have much respect for that sport because those guys are crazy," Amendola said. "It’s an intense workout."I liked it. I’m going to do it for a long time."Amendola started his day by going through his normal football training routine before heading to the MMA gym, so he believed it would help his cardio. Hard to argue with that, really."We didn’t actually punch each other," Amendola said, "but we did drills and grappling and boxing."Amendola was wise not to get into it with either UFC legend, but the 5-foot-11, 188-pounder did joke, "I’ve got that little guy inside me that wants to mix it up at all times."Amendola's Patriots career has gotten off to a red-hot start, at least in practice, as his connection with Tom Brady has been undeniable. He appears poised to be a suitable replacement for Wes Welker, though the constant concern with Amendola has been injuries. He missed 20 games in the last two seasons.If he is concerned about his injuries, he surely didn't show it tonight."I’m going to play the same way I’ve always played," Amendola said. "That’s why I’m here. I’m just going to try to play as hard as I can for as long as I can and see how that goes." - See more at: The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

High-impact weight-bearing exercises help build bones and keep them strong.
 
High-impact weight-bearing exercises help build bones and keep them strong.

That's not Amendola's problem, simply making him bigger and stronger won't make him less injury prone.

Danny Amendola Breaks Arm 9/11/2011 - YouTube

Gronk is plenty big and strong and it didnt prevent his forearm break against the Ravens, both needed to roll but neither one did.
 
It's abundantly clear by now that the essential switch from Welker to Amendola is a gigantic disaster. Only the loyalist of Belichickians would dispute this now.

And a great number of people need to familiarize themselves with the definition of tough.

tough

1. strong and durable; not easily broken or cut.
2. not brittle or tender.
3. difficult to masticate, as food: a tough steak.
4. of viscous consistency, as liquid or semiliquid matter: tough molasses.
5. capable of great endurance; sturdy; hardy: tough troops.

Can people please stop referring to Amendola as tough because clearly it's not applicable to a player who lacks durability, is easily broken, brittle, and not capable of great endurance. After all we are talking about a player who is about to miss his 25th game out of the last 40. (He's also a player who has registered merely 18 career starts in 4-plus seasons). Many people tend to qualify every criticism of Amendola with "he's tough." It's an erroneous tag.

The team (primarily Belichick) let a genuinely tough player (Welker) walk for personal reasons and they gambled again on an injury prone player, which is now the majority makeup of their skill position players (Amendola, Edelman, Gronkowski, Vereen). And the player presently picking up the slack for Amendola's continual absence, Edelman, is another brittle player who will not withstand the physical demands of what is being put on him. And even if Edelman can overcome his reputation, and last a complete season with an impressive output, then we will have seen the last of him because he will price himself out of a job in New England where the philosophy is build the roster with injury prone players and characterologically disordered players who are "good value."
 
Ivan well-conditioned athletes who training their bodies with injury prevention in mind do not tear their groin muscles in week 1 of the regular season, if you want to ignore that and instead make fun of me that is fine but it doesn’t change the reality of the situation. The definition insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, so if Amendola is continuing to train and play football the same way and expecting a different result than he has been met with over the past 3 NFL season that Ivan is insanity and you advocating for it or making fun of me for suggesting a change is insanity as well.
If you believe that to be true, I'll counteract with a career spent in professional sporting circles. Professional, well conditioned athletes suffer injuries all the time. They are tuned to drag car frequency often pushing their body to its physical limit on a weekly basis. The average sports jock wouldn't understand this mentality or physicality given they generally train within a comfort zone.

I can't support your position on Amendola and/or injuries to elite sportspeople Brady6. I've seen too many soft tissue injuries for your comments to be remotely true.
 
Danny Amendola plays the slot wide receiver position much different than Welker did, Welker was much more finesse whereas Amendola is more physical, he wants to run through tackles like a running back yet he checks in at between 183-195 Lbs. depending on the site, so he is attempting to do play like Stevan Ridley who is at least 30 Lbs. heavier despite being basically the same height, Amendola is a very gifted player and extremely competitive but at 185 Lbs. he is unlikely to ever sustain in the NFL unless he incorporates some of the intelligent decision making that Welker had.

You lost me. What does any of that opinion you offer have to do with what I wrote as quoted in your post? I asked you how you critique Amendola's training program without knowing the program, then you offer an article that does not describe the actual training program (it says he added a cardio MMA workout to the unspecified football training program) and then you reply with the above, which still offers no program. I guess we can resolve that particular discussion as you critiqued Amendola's training program when you have no idea what his training might be.

Turning to your post, Welker ran into defenders, as does Amendola. Welker got hit squarely on many occasions. Both play like punt returners and take damage. It is virtually impossible to respond to how you believe (and how you know what Amendola 'wants' to do) the two play as it is an opinion in your mind and nowhere else. It is tough for Welker to go 'finesse' when he frequently catches the ball in the middle of the field and has no time to run out of bounds. I assume your definition of finesse player is one who hits the dirt early or runs out of bounds. I wouldn't characterize either as doing that with any regularity.
 
If you believe that to be true, I'll counteract with a career spent in professional sporting circles. Professional, well conditioned athletes suffer injuries all the time. They are tuned to drag car frequency often pushing their body to its physical limit on a weekly basis. The average sports jock wouldn't understand this mentality or physicality given they generally train within a comfort zone.

I can't support your position on Amendola and/or injuries to elite sportspeople Brady6. I've seen too many soft tissue injuries for your comments to be remotely true.

AB I am not going to sit here and pretend I know how Amendola trains or his level of conditioning, I am just looking at the situation of a player who is often injured and using my personal experience to recommend what could potentially improve his situation, during my high school years and the 3 years of football I played with the Air Force players who were injury prone were encouraged to get more involved with weight training and flexibility exercise. For the record though that is personal experience, you appear to have professional experience so I am inclined to believe what you’ve said.

Whatever the issue is that is causing the injuries whether it is training or bad luck I hope it changes but the reality is Amendola has been exactly what critics said he would be thru six weeks and that is my only real reasoning for this thread. We need this guy to be what we paid for playing 32% of the snaps while ranking 126th in receptions is not living up to the contract we paid out to him. Last season thru 6 games Welker had 48 receptions, 622 yards and 2 touchdowns; Amendola has 16 catches, 159 yards and 0 touchdowns. I can’t wrap my head around anyone in this fan base being OK with what Amendola has done here so far, are we really hanging onto that Game 2 of the preseason that much, because Sudfeld also looked like a superstar in that game too.

Last season everyone was downing cups of Brandon Lloyd Kool-Aid and that belief he would be this great downfield threat and make are offense so much better, he came in he was subpar at best so people started making excuses for him even going to the extreme to say Brady couldn’t throw a down field pass or a back shoulder pass, finally every accepted the reality that Lloyd was not that good and then he was gone, this season all signs point to a similar outcome in terms of performance anyway for Amendola and if everyone wants to make excuses that is fine with me I just don’t think it is right to feel animosity toward me for not wanting to buy in.
 
As I said in several posts I would have opened the thread regardless of the head injury that occurred with 2 minutes remaining in the third quarter. My decision to open the thread was actually made after the play in which he and Brady failed to connect on what would have been a sure touchdown, after that play Amendola limped noticeably, .
You said that in response to being called insensitive. You should reread your OP. Most of it copied here:

Before you tell me how that hit was illegal and blaming Amendola is dumb, let me just say this – I don’t care! One of the things that made Wes Welker a great player was his intelligence and the wherewithal to protect himself from taking those type of hits, Amendola ran 100 MPH and it was as idiotic as throwing a glass against the concrete along with having a similar result. My excuses for Danny Amendola have flown south with the birds,


Your OP clearly was a reaction to the concussion and your predomimant point was he was wrong to get concussed.



after that he also had at least 1 drop and for the day he had 2 receptions for 0 yards, the week prior against the Bengals he played in just 38 of a possible 63 snaps and he was targeted 9 times yet had 4 receptions. On the season Amendola has played in 146 of a possible 449 offensive snaps for 32%. Between 10-12 offensive snaps came after the head injury, why would I open a thread based on 13 snaps, that is just a ridiculous accusation and the fact you continue to respond to my posts as if I created the OP based on 2% of the offensive snaps this season is the issue here, you’re trying to make this about me being this person who is blaming a player for suffering a head injury but I am not, Danny Amendola had an injury that either caused him to miss or play at a diminished level for the 436 offensive snaps played prior to the head injury that is 98% of the snaps Andy, so you, Ivan, DaBruinz and some others need to stop making this about Brady6 being insensitive of a head injury and open your eyes to the fact that 98% of the snaps occurred before that head injury and Danny Amendola was injured for EVERY SINGLE one of them point, blank, period.

It has nothing to do with insensitivity it has to do with you thinking his concussion was his fault.


I don’t agree with that, but even if it was the case it doesn’t diminish their play which was the case for Amendola who was targeted 13 times resulting in 6 receptions, 2 drops, 55 receiving yards and 0 touchdowns since his return against the Bengals. Those statistics do not merit being the 27th highest paid receiver in the entire NFL, so I guess my thinking he is injured still is wishful thinking because the alternative is we overpaid for a subpar player.
Which is it? You want him to be a ******* when it serves your argument, and you want him to stink when that does.
You happen to be wrong about both.


If you do not feel that conditioning and weight training does not play a factor in injuries you likely have never played a sport or been to a gym,
As I said comments like this make you lose credibility. I never even hinted at a comment like that.




I did not say it would make you bullet proof but added muscle mass does protect athletes from injuries and proper training in terms of flexibility does prevent groin injuries, hamstring pulls, etc. Those are proven scientific facts, maybe it would have help Danny in particular areas maybe it would not have but when a player is taking the field less than 50% of the time over the past 3 years I would say it is worthwhile to consider a change in his offseason training regimen which would incorporate more training specific to injury prevention. Do you disagree, and feel what Danny is currently doing is putting him in the optimal position to succeed during the season?
Please show where your knowledge is coming from that says Amendola does not train properly? Again, you have a grudge to bear so you have made it up that he doesn't train properly with absolutely no knowledge.
Your argument is now:
Amendola got hurt.
Training can prevent injury.
Therefore it is Amendolas fault he got hurt because he didn't train.

I don’t understand what you’ve written here? Are you suggesting that I should just sit back and watch people like Ivan and other despair me across this forum with false accusations such as I said to “let Welker leave during free agency and make the slot position less of a focus” when I was not even a member here when the Welker situation played out, or let them center their response around me as forum member instead of providing tangible information to negate my OP, or just watch this entire thread be centered around and injury that affect 2% of the team’s offensive snaps this season?
Your OP amounted to "Im mad at Amendola because he got a concussion". That was wrong enough but had you stopped there you would not have added layers of silliness.

How exactly did I lose credibility because it occurs to me I am positioning facts to confirm the already establish opinions of a players critics
You have no facts, you are making things up and calling them fact.
The particular point you made that sacrifices all credibility was that you believe Amendola's offseason workout program is deficient when you have absolutely no knowledge of what it is, and that fact that you are saying that in a thread created because of a concussion.
You have every right to continue to make wild guesses about things you know nothing about and say them as if you have certainty, but after a while no one will take your opinion seriously.


, and others are manipulating information to meet their agenda’s or disrespecting this forum by being insulting or demeaning towards me as a poster simply because they disagree with my position on Danny Amendola.
The "Oh poor me" posts are useless to me.
Not sure how someone disagreeing with you disrespects the forum though.
If you feel tortured you should cut back posting or start being open minded.
I have yet to see you take any disagreement with anything you say and respond with anything that doesn't amount to you are right and there is no doubt.


Outside of some heat of the moment response I have responded with facts, Amendola came in with the reputation amongst his critics for being injury prone,
I think you misunderstand what a fact is.


during his time hear he has appeared on every injury report (for the groin injury) and played in just 32% of the team’s offensive snaps due to injury.
He is 6 weeks into a 6 year contract.


My credibility is in place solidly those who are making arguments around 2% of the offensive snaps,
Again where you lose credibility. No one is making any argument based on 2% of the snaps. You are using that strawman to say you didn't say what you did.

ignoring actualities or just spewing BS to continue a pissing match are the ones who’s credibility will be held in question
I agree, which is why I told you that you are losing credibility.


, no matter if the other 5-7 forum members who align with their agenda like their posts or not., creditability has and always will be associated with truth and reality and there is no debating that Amendola has done exactly what his critics said he would do which is be injured during his tenure to this point.
Then if you believe that say that.
Don't 'project his stats for the season' pretend to know his workout intensity, blame a concussion on him, and act as if football players are supposed to drop to the fetal position if they are ever in danger of being hit, etc, etc, etc.



If you have a valid argument to dispute that please feel free to present it and I will look at with a fair and even mentality
I have and you don't.



but if you’re just going to keep spinning the same crap and then calling my creditability into question as some public power play to imply strength your wasting both of are times,
What are you talking about?
I think you need to stop taking this board so seriously. You seem to be extremely worried about how your reputation is affected by what someone else posts.
I'm telling you what I read. If you don't want to hear it, just ignore me. I cannot waste my time with someone who thinks they are developing a reputation in the school cafeteria with how tough they are in their posts.




because I will continue to respond with percentages, raw numbers, publications and reports that discredit any spin you attempt to make,

Perfect statement. WHATEVER anyone says will send you on a mission to create something that doesnt apply and pretend it does, such as the workout debacle.


this is not a political debate, Danny Amendola is injured he has been since week 2 of the preseason that is a FACT. So why don’t you just stop and accept the fact your wrong on this and that Amendola has not done anything through week 6 to prove his critics incorrect.
Because I am not wrong, and you have now reached the point where in order to argue you are making up what other people think and then telling them the opinions you assign to them are wrong.
You really have not responded to a single comment that I have made in this thread in this diatribe other than my pointing out that you are losing credibility, yet you argued against dozens of things I never said,
Perhaps we can set up a forum just for you where you can make up thoughts that other people think and then argue how stupid they are.
 
AB I am not going to sit here and pretend I know how Amendola trains or his level of conditioning, I am just looking at the situation of a player who is often injured and using my personal experience to recommend what could potentially improve his situation, during my high school years and the 3 years of football I played with the Air Force players who were injury prone were encouraged to get more involved with weight training and flexibility exercise. For the record though that is personal experience, you appear to have professional experience so I am inclined to believe what you’ve said.

Whatever the issue is that is causing the injuries whether it is training or bad luck I hope it changes but the reality is Amendola has been exactly what critics said he would be thru six weeks and that is my only real reasoning for this thread. We need this guy to be what we paid for playing 32% of the snaps while ranking 126th in receptions is not living up to the contract we paid out to him. Last season thru 6 games Welker had 48 receptions, 622 yards and 2 touchdowns; Amendola has 16 catches, 159 yards and 0 touchdowns. I can’t wrap my head around anyone in this fan base being OK with what Amendola has done here so far, are we really hanging onto that Game 2 of the preseason that much, because Sudfeld also looked like a superstar in that game too.

Last season everyone was downing cups of Brandon Lloyd Kool-Aid and that belief he would be this great downfield threat and make are offense so much better, he came in he was subpar at best so people started making excuses for him even going to the extreme to say Brady couldn’t throw a down field pass or a back shoulder pass, finally every accepted the reality that Lloyd was not that good and then he was gone, this season all signs point to a similar outcome in terms of performance anyway for Amendola and if everyone wants to make excuses that is fine with me I just don’t think it is right to feel animosity toward me for not wanting to buy in.
I don't particularly feel any animosity toward your position toward Amendola as I myself have queries over his ability to remain injury free. I also refuse to question his talent because he has far more physical ability than Welker. Welker's greatness was in part, due to his toughness.

I guess my issue is your wish washing over the issue. You seem to move your arguments all over the shop that it tends to dilute your initial point.
 
High-impact weight-bearing exercises help build bones and keep them strong.

First, that is ludicrous. You are blaming a player getting hit and having a bone broken in his workout regimen, without any clue what that regimen is. Not to mention we aren't talking about Zsa Zsa Gabor like Deus is in predicting Gronk will have his arm amputated, and please tell me what exercise prevents a collarbone from being broken when being tackled in an NFL game.
You might as well be saying that if he had a proper psychic he would have skipped that play. It is a stronger argument.
 
Re: Re: Thru week 6 Amendola has only proven his critics correct…

You said that in response to being called insensitive. You should reread your OP. Most of it copied here:

Before you tell me how that hit was illegal and blaming Amendola is dumb, let me just say this – I don’t care! One of the things that made Wes Welker a great player was his intelligence and the wherewithal to protect himself from taking those type of hits, Amendola ran 100 MPH and it was as idiotic as throwing a glass against the concrete along with having a similar result. My excuses for Danny Amendola have flown south with the birds,


Your OP clearly was a reaction to the concussion and your predomimant point was he was wrong to get concussed.





It has nothing to do with insensitivity it has to do with you thinking his concussion was his fault.



Which is it? You want him to be a ******* when it serves your argument, and you want him to stink when that does.
You happen to be wrong about both.



As I said comments like this make you lose credibility. I never even hinted at a comment like that.





Please show where your knowledge is coming from that says Amendola does not train properly? Again, you have a grudge to bear so you have made it up that he doesn't train properly with absolutely no knowledge.
Your argument is now:
Amendola got hurt.
Training can prevent injury.
Therefore it is Amendolas fault he got hurt because he didn't train.


Your OP amounted to "Im mad at Amendola because he got a concussion". That was wrong enough but had you stopped there you would not have added layers of silliness.


You have no facts, you are making things up and calling them fact.
The particular point you made that sacrifices all credibility was that you believe Amendola's offseason workout program is deficient when you have absolutely no knowledge of what it is, and that fact that you are saying that in a thread created because of a concussion.
You have every right to continue to make wild guesses about things you know nothing about and say them as if you have certainty, but after a while no one will take your opinion seriously.



The "Oh poor me" posts are useless to me.
Not sure how someone disagreeing with you disrespects the forum though.
If you feel tortured you should cut back posting or start being open minded.
I have yet to see you take any disagreement with anything you say and respond with anything that doesn't amount to you are right and there is no doubt.



I think you misunderstand what a fact is.



He is 6 weeks into a 6 year contract.



Again where you lose credibility. No one is making any argument based on 2% of the snaps. You are using that strawman to say you didn't say what you did.


I agree, which is why I told you that you are losing credibility.



Then if you believe that say that.
Don't 'project his stats for the season' pretend to know his workout intensity, blame a concussion on him, and act as if football players are supposed to drop to the fetal position if they are ever in danger of being hit, etc, etc, etc.




I have and you don't.




What are you talking about?
I think you need to stop taking this board so seriously. You seem to be extremely worried about how your reputation is affected by what someone else posts.
I'm telling you what I read. If you don't want to hear it, just ignore me. I cannot waste my time with someone who thinks they are developing a reputation in the school cafeteria with how tough they are in their posts.






Perfect statement. WHATEVER anyone says will send you on a mission to create something that doesnt apply and pretend it does, such as the workout debacle.



Because I am not wrong, and you have now reached the point where in order to argue you are making up what other people think and then telling them the opinions you assign to them are wrong.
You really have not responded to a single comment that I have made in this thread in this diatribe other than my pointing out that you are losing credibility, yet you argued against dozens of things I never said,
Perhaps we can set up a forum just for you where you can make up thoughts that other people think and then argue how stupid they are.

And the Andy Johnson spin continues, are you in politics? Seriously your sitting here arguing that Amendola hasn't been exactly what his critics said coming into this? Otherwise what exactly are you spinning here, its pretty cut and dry the guy has either been what critics claimed or he has not, my position is he has been, so what is yours? No spin just an answer.

Its a 5 years contract and only 2 years are guaranteed by the way.
 
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