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Ras-I Dowling only missed significant time in his 4th season in college yet missed most as a NFL player, so what is your point?

Perhaps that Dowling and Amendola are different people? The whole 'made of glass' thing is so overdone. Message board whining fodder and nothing else. 99.9% of us wouldn't make it through one kick-off never mind a game.

Football is a violent game. People get hurt. Sometimes it's just wrong place, wrong time like Oher and Jacoby last night. Sometimes you just hurt the wrong place. In Dowling's case, the hip is a sucky place to get hurt. Ask Rosie Colvin.
 
He finished 9 games in 2 seasons (32 games) missed some several practices already, missed 3rd preseason game (most important) didn't play preseason game 4 on the injury report week 12...... and we let Welker go why?

He "finished 9 games in 2 seasons?"

I'm not sure what that means buddy? If you mean he only played in 9 games the past 2 seasons, that wouldn't be right either. The number would be 12 games, but you also have to understand that you're factoring in an entire missed year.

Like many have explained, he didn't miss a single game in his first 2 years, then he missed the entire season in his 3rd year (15 games). In his 4th year last season, he played in 11 of 16 games.

Basically, when you take away the entire missed 3rd season, you have 3 out of 4 yrs where he produced very well and only missed 5 games in a total of four years. Other than the one year where he got injured early on and there wasn't any IR exemption rule yet, he really hasn't missed much time at all.

Your kind of using one injury that took place early in the year against him, which I don't think is too fair. Aside from that, just about every player is going to miss 5 games in a 4 year span for one reason or another, aren't they?


Because he and his agent completely overestimated the market for his services and the Pats moved on?

This is pretty much it. It's time to move on. Welker will most likely be a productive player for the next 2-3 seasons, but we have our own player who will fill his role here too.

We've seen other talented players leave, and as much as I would have loved to see him stay, there's no use crying about it everyday. He isn't coming back.

I will say that I was very disappointed for the 60 minutes that took place in between Welker leaving and Amendola being announced. Once they announced the new signing I seriously felt much, much better.
 
Because he and his agent completely overestimated the market for his services and the Pats moved on?

Yeah, that's what some want us to believe. Lamest excuse in the book.
 
He "finished 9 games in 2 seasons?"

I'm not sure what that means buddy? If you mean he only played in 9 games the past 2 seasons, that wouldn't be right either. The number would be 12 games, but you also have to understand that you're factoring in an entire missed year.

It means out of the 12 games he played in he only finished 9 of those games due to injury. What don't you understand......buddy?



Like many have explained, he didn't miss a single game in his first 2 years, then he missed the entire season in his 3rd year (15 games). In his 4th year last season, he played in 11 of 16 games.

Basically, when you take away the entire missed 3rd season, you have 3 out of 4 yrs where he produced very well and only missed 5 games in a total of four years. Other than the one year where he got injured early on and there wasn't any IR exemption rule yet, he really hasn't missed much time at all.

That is a seriously funny way of looking at it. Don't quit your day job to become a spin doctor.


Your kind of using one injury that took place early in the year against him, which I don't think is too fair. Aside from that, just about every player is going to miss 5 games in a 4 year span for one reason or another, aren't they?

Are you for real? Seriously, are you? I don't think Welker missed 5 games in the last 8 years. I don't recall Brady missing 5 games over the last 4 years. You might want to rethink this argument.




This is pretty much it. It's time to move on. Welker will most likely be a productive player for the next 2-3 seasons, but we have our own player who will fill his role here too.

We do? Who? And you base this on what, exactly... a gut feeling? Maybe a player should prove it first before making a blanket statement like that. In 4 years the guy has a whopping 7 TD's

We've seen other talented players leave, and as much as I would have loved to see him stay, there's no use crying about it everyday. He isn't coming back.

I will agree with you on that.

I will say that I was very disappointed for the 60 minutes that took place in between Welker leaving and Amendola being announced. Once they announced the new signing I seriously felt much, much better.

Really? You felt much better letting the most productive Pats player not named Brady go for a guy who missed so many games the last two seasons to the point the Rams were pushing him out the door faster then you could say Tavon Austin. Do you own a pair of rose colored glasses by chance?
 
Yeah, that's what some want us to believe. Lamest excuse in the book.
Well we know that Welker turned down a better offer ($16M/2yrs) than what he ended up getting ($9.5M franchise tag, $6M with Broncos) and that Welker ended up essentially begging the Broncos to sign him.

We also know that the Pats announced the Amendola signing shortly after Welker signed, meaning they had been working on terms with Amendola before they knew Welker would be signing with the Broncos.

Gosh, sounds exactly like a guy overrating his market and the team moving on.
 
Well we know that Welker turned down a better offer ($16M/2yrs) than what he ended up getting ($9.5M franchise tag, $6M with Broncos) and that Welker ended up essentially begging the Broncos to sign him.

We also know that the Pats announced the Amendola signing shortly after Welker signed, meaning they had been working on terms with Amendola before they knew Welker would be signing with the Broncos.

Gosh, sounds exactly like a guy overrating his market and the team moving on.

Or how about 3 years @ $9.5m+$6m+$6m or 2 years @ $16m. I will take the 3 years, thank you. Looks like Welker would too. So you are calling Kraft a liar? He said nothing was in place with Amendola and that Welker was their top priority. Did you not have your head out of the sand the day he said that?
 
So you want to say Amendola who has not finished a complete season the past two seasons.. Wait! Let me rephrase... You want to say Amendola who has played in but not completed 12 out of 32 games the past two seasons is going to be dependable? OOOOOOOOOkaaaaayyyyy! Oh, and he already missed the most important preseason game of them this season and several practices. Wow. Please remove those rose colored glasses. Hope your other 26k posts haven't been this bad.

LOL! He missed the third preseason game so now we have to worry. Too funny.

He was held out of the last two games not because he couldn't play, but because they knew what they had in Amendola and didn't need to play him while giving the rookies more reps. By all accounts, this injury was always minor and wouldn't have kept him out of games.

Clearly, you are just a troll who wants to start crap or just too ignorant to how these things work to continue this discussion.
 
And Aqib Talib is going into his SIXTH season this year and has never completed or finished an entire season at the end...so what?

If you want to worry about a player who has nagging injuries, look towards Talib's ailments of constant hip and hamstring injuries in his first 5 yrs.

Yet somehow he was the #1 available CB this year in the entire NFL in free agency. Go figure....there are actually coaches and GM's out there who understand that injuries are part of the game, and 3 different teams offered him very nice multi year deals to boot. One of them our own Bill Belichick.

That's the ironic thing. Talib fits into more of the classic definition of injury prone, yet no one is questioning his ability to stay on the field.
 
That's the ironic thing. Talib fits into more of the classic definition of injury prone, yet no one is questioning his ability to stay on the field.

Nothing ironic about it. We did not lose Darrel Revis to sign Talib instead.
 
Nothing ironic about it. We did not lose Darrel Revis to sign Talib instead.

Welker is not the Darrell Revis of WRs. It is arguable that the Pats needs Talib to be healthy all year more than Amendola.
 
Welker is not the Darrell Revis of WRs. It is arguable that the Pats needs Talib to be healthy all year more than Amendola.

No, but is the Darrell Revis of slot WRs.
 
It means out of the 12 games he played in he only finished 9 of those games due to injury. What don't you understand......

Because it isn't correct. He didn't start in one or two of those 12 games, it had nothing to do with "finishing" as you say...those are 2 totally different things, and your comment didn't make much sense, so that is why I questioned you for a further explanation.


I used the term "buddy" to try and keep things reasonable and friendly with you, and to try and remind you that we're all on the same side--not to sound sarcastic. You decided to try and act like a complete douche instead.

If you wish to whine like a little girl because Danny Amendola was signed, then be my guest. I'm going to try and appreciate the positives with him. There are many.

I stated that I'd rather have had kept Welker, but once that didn't happen I definitely wanted Amendola as a replacement. If that doesn't sound reasonable to you, I don't know what to say.
 
Or how about 3 years @ $9.5m+$6m+$6m or 2 years @ $16m. I will take the 3 years, thank you. Looks like Welker would too. So you are calling Kraft a liar? He said nothing was in place with Amendola and that Welker was their top priority. Did you not have your head out of the sand the day he said that?

The Patriots had been in talks with Danny Amendola since the Saturday that started the "legal tampering" window, so apparently they were well aware that there was a good possibility that Welker and his agents were not going to agree on a new deal.

After all, they did have almost 2 yrs prior to get that feeling, didn't they?

You can call it what you want, but they were very interested in signing Danny Amendola at that specific point. Most likely because they had gotten nowhere with Welker and were afraid of losing both chances.
 
No, but is the Darrell Revis of slot WRs.

And we saw this offseason how much the league values slot receivers. Not much based on how little both Welker and Amendola got.

Welker was great here, but I don't think the offense will collapse without him. If Amendola is 80% of him, they will be fine. We saw how the defense collapsed without Talib. Talib is far more important than anyone who plays slot WR on this team whether it is Welker or Amendola. You lose Talib and you affect the entire secondary since McCourty slides outside and the Pats have a major weakness in the center of the field.
 
one thing to take note is that Amendola never missed any time in his 4 years in college...you look at guys like Ras i Dowling, or Even Rob Gronkowski and some of the injuries that have sidelined them have followed them back to college.

Amendola however had been pretty durable at college. but, we will have to wait and see..

as far as talent level, I dont think we will see much of a dropoff from welker to him if any....lets remember before welker became a 100+ catch 1000+ yard receiver for new england he only averaged about what Amendola did with the Rams( 65 catches, 600 yards) alot of the production is dependant on the QB throwing them the ball

if amendola plays 16 games this season I easily can see him catching 100+ balls for 1000+ yards
 
Because it isn't correct. He didn't start in one or two of those 12 games, it had nothing to do with "finishing" as you say...those are 2 totally different things, and your comment didn't make much sense, so that is why I questioned you for a further explanation.
So the games he got hurt in he finished? It's not about starting, it's about finishing. He didn't finish those two games he got hurt in and then he got hurt in another game and couldn't finish it. That's what I am talking about.

I used the term "buddy" to try and keep things reasonable and friendly with you, and to try and remind you that we're all on the same side--not to sound sarcastic. You decided to try and act like a complete douche instead.

If you wish to whine like a little girl because Danny Amendola was signed, then be my guest. I'm going to try and appreciate the positives with him. There are many.

Well take in consideration that we aren't talking on the phone, we are on a message board here. So when you use certain expressions then keep that in mind.

And if you want to take my dislike for the move in the first lace as a whine then so be it. The fact that you seem to think that he isn't a risk is amazing. That's why this fan base is hated so much. Many Pats fans wear rose colored glasses and have their heads in the sand. Many think the team can do no wrong. That BB is perfect. Let me tell you something, this team has many faults. We haven't won a SB in a long while. Our Defense has sucked.

Just looking on this thread I read there isn't going to be a drop off from Welker. WTF?? Someone show me some proof before making these silly comments.

Amendola hasn't played a full season in 3 years. He has already been hurt here. Yet, not drop off? Did you see him gassed out in the short time he played in the 2nd preseason game? The no huddle gassed him out. Then he missed the most important preseason game and didn't play in the 4th game. Some of you are nuts on here. Heck, I won't surprise me if Thompkins out plays him all season. He has so far, by a long ways.

I hope Amendola makes the winning superbowl catch in the next 5 superbowls but until he proves something then keep the silly comments out of here.
 
So the games he got hurt in he finished? It's not about starting, it's about finishing. He didn't finish those two games he got hurt in and then he got hurt in another game and couldn't finish it. That's what I am talking about.

It's probably a matter of semantics, so it really doesn't matter. The fact is the way that you worded it was somewhat confusing, and that is simply why I asked for a further explanation. I think you took it the wrong way that I was questioning your validity, and that wasn't what was taking place.

For the record, the STL Rams didn't start him when he was injured. They put him in after the first or second series, so yes--he did in fact finish some of the games that you listed as not finishing.


Well take in consideration that we aren't talking on the phone, we are on a message board here. So when you use certain expressions then keep that in mind.

That's fine, but in all honesty I wasn't using the word "buddy" in a sarcastic way. I was really just trying to tone down the debate. I can understand the confusion but in the future you don't always feel like people are out to get you.

And if you want to take my dislike for the move in the first lace as a whine then so be it. The fact that you seem to think that he isn't a risk is amazing. That's why this fan base is hated so much. Many Pats fans wear rose colored glasses and have their heads in the sand. Many think the team can do no wrong. That BB is perfect. Let me tell you something, this team has many faults. We haven't won a SB in a long while. Our Defense has sucked.

Just looking on this thread I read there isn't going to be a drop off from Welker. WTF?? Someone show me some proof before making these silly comments.

I agree that there have been many problems, but as a whole we've been the winningest team in the past 12 yrs. The decisions made haven't always worked out but many here tend to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt due to his track record alone. In Brady's first 12 yrs of actual playing time, he has taken the team to the AFCCG or better 7x in those 12 yrs. The object is to get to the playoffs and take it from there. Sometimes it works out and they go far, sometimes they don't, but if you asked any NFL GM or HC if they'd take 7 AFCCG appearances in 12 yrs (13 of Belichick), they'd definitely take it.

Therefore the track records and success lead most of us to trust the majority of the decisions. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it's easy to go back and complain after the fact. The purpose was to give Brady and the team a viable slot target who was younger, faster, had more range for catches, and had NFL experience and talent. That was achieved. While it may be hard to watch Welker for the next 2-3 yrs, Amendola's only knock are the health concerns. There's nothing else. Therefore it's really not "silly" as you say. It may be opinionated, but it's not "silly." The decision was made for the future, not the present. They actually would have been happy with both, had Welker agreed to 2 million less over the next 2 yrs (with more guaranteed in the first year).

Amendola hasn't played a full season in 3 years. He has already been hurt here. Yet, not drop off? Did you see him gassed out in the short time he played in the 2nd preseason game? The no huddle gassed him out. Then he missed the most important preseason game and didn't play in the 4th game. Some of you are nuts on here. Heck, I won't surprise me if Thompkins out plays him all season. He has so far, by a long ways.

I hope Amendola makes the winning superbowl catch in the next 5 superbowls but until he proves something then keep the silly comments out of here.

Amendola had a pretty productive year last year, with almost as many catches as Brandon Llyod had here, so I'm not concerned when he last "played a full season." You're acting like he hasn't been playing football lately, and that isn't the case. He played in almost 3/4 games last season.

Aqib Talib has NEVER played a full season heading into his 6th year, and no one seems to worry about his level of play. He was actually the #1 CB on the free agent market, so all of the GM's and HC's out there had absolutely no concern with how many seasons he "finished."

As far as the proof that you need, there isn't any...I can tell you that all of the statistical projections as far as pointspreads and fantasy football leagues (ESPN, CBS, etc) have Danny Amendola listed as the current favorite to lead the entire league in receptions at 106 (prior to the TNF game), so there is a reasonable thought that Amendola could indeed do that.

Of course we can't put our hopes on these kinds of statistical projections, but I'm just giving you some examples of major sports outlets that feel that there won't be much dropoff. We obviously won't know until the season plays out.

I am personally hoping for about 80% in both games played and statistical production in comparison to Welker.
 
It's probably a matter of semantics, so it really doesn't matter. The fact is the way that you worded it was somewhat confusing, and that is simply why I asked for a further explanation. I think you took it the wrong way that I was questioning your validity, and that wasn't what was taking place.

For the record, the STL Rams didn't start him when he was injured. They put him in after the first or second series, so yes--he did in fact finish some of the games that you listed as not finishing.

Fair enough, I apologize it wasn't worded clearly. The point I was trying to make was very simple... Every stat you look at it will show Amendola played 11 games last season. Well out of those 11 games, how many did he finish? He didn't finish all 11 games because he got hurt and was not able to finish games due to injury. So in the last 2 years the stats show he played 12 games. Misleading. He really didn't. He played in 12 games but certainly were not complete games as he left a few of them do to getting hurt. He might have played a full 9 games, certainly not 12. That's all I was trying to point out.



That's fine, but in all honesty I wasn't using the word "buddy" in a sarcastic way. I was really just trying to tone down the debate. I can understand the confusion but in the future you don't always feel like people are out to get you.

I apologize for taking that remark wrong. It isn't often that someone doesn't get attacked going against the grain. Clearly by you continuing this discussion in a very polite manner I can certainly tell that you are not that type of person. This has been an enjoyable discussion. Thank you for taking the time to continue it.



I agree that there have been many problems, but as a whole we've been the winningest team in the past 12 yrs. The decisions made haven't always worked out but many here tend to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt due to his track record alone. In Brady's first 12 yrs of actual playing time, he has taken the team to the AFCCG or better 7x in those 12 yrs. The object is to get to the playoffs and take it from there. Sometimes it works out and they go far, sometimes they don't, but if you asked any NFL GM or HC if they'd take 7 AFCCG appearances in 12 yrs (13 of Belichick), they'd definitely take it.

I understand this, however, I am getting a little impatient. The window of opportunity is closing. With Brady as the QB and BB as the head coach we probably will not enjoy this type of success once they are gone, time is running short. An interesting question would be.. would you give up a couple of playoffs and a couple of those AFCCG's for one more ring before Brady and BB retire?

The purpose was to give Brady and the team a viable slot target who was younger, faster, had more range for catches, and had NFL experience and talent. That was achieved. While it may be hard to watch Welker for the next 2-3 yrs, Amendola's only knock are the health concerns. There's nothing else. Therefore it's really not "silly" as you say. It may be opinionated, but it's not "silly." The decision was made for the future, not the present. They actually would have been happy with both, had Welker agreed to 2 million less over the next 2 yrs (with more guaranteed in the first year).

Amendola had a pretty productive year last year, with almost as many catches as Brandon Llyod had here, so I'm not concerned when he last "played a full season." You're acting like he hasn't been playing football lately, and that isn't the case. He played in almost 3/4 games last season.

I don't like the risk. Amendola has a history of missing a large number of games. If he goes out again for a big part of the season when we had a very dependable and productive receiver in Welker then that is a very big deal and another bad move. I just don't like the risk. For the record I didn't like the Adrian Wilson risk either. That sure backfired. Several other options available at the time. But I digress.

Aqib Talib has NEVER played a full season heading into his 6th year, and no one seems to worry about his level of play. He was actually the #1 CB on the free agent market, so all of the GM's and HC's out there had absolutely no concern with how many seasons he "finished."

I worry about Talib. That is a major concern to me. THere was a huge shift on defense when he left the AFCCG against the Ravens. And it is a major concern this season, there is not quality depth at that position. He has to stay healthy.


As far as the proof that you need, there isn't any...I can tell you that all of the statistical projections as far as pointspreads and fantasy football leagues (ESPN, CBS, etc) have Danny Amendola listed as the current favorite to lead the entire league in receptions at 106 (prior to the TNF game), so there is a reasonable thought that Amendola could indeed do that.

Of course we can't put our hopes on these kinds of statistical projections, but I'm just giving you some examples of major sports outlets that feel that there won't be much dropoff. We obviously won't know until the season plays out.

I am personally hoping for about 80% in both games played and statistical production in comparison to Welker.

LOL, If only those stat projections were true. Out of all the years I have been looking at season projections prior to the season starting I have yet to find a reliable source. Do you compare all the different sources? Heck, they can't even agree. I'm sorry but that is not a very good argument there.

Again, I thank you for having a polite discussion and I have ended up enjoying it. You have made some valid points. I look forward to reading more of your posts in this forum. Approx 10 hours until game time, I can't wait. Enjoy!
 
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