Patriots CUTS

[shmessy]

Where's the bigotry in that post??

The term that upset him was "religious imbecile". Evidently, the poster was taking a stand against anti-imbecile bigotry. It's rampant and some of us imbeciles are pi$$ed.

 

[Brady6]

3-4 impactful plays?? Should I be impressed with that? I'm not. Do you even realize how many Special Teams plays that Cole is on each year? Well over 200. So having only 3-4 impactful plays on special teams mans nothing.

You tell me to watvh special teams, yet you totally ignore the fact that Cole was one of the ones who blew the coverage on the long return by San Fran and also on the long return by Baltimore. In both cases, Cole left his lane of containment and ended up cutting off another Patriot, which caused that one to lose containment also.

Sorry, but the lovefest you have for Cole is so badly misplaced.

I can’t tell you what you should be impressed by, I was impressed by the fact that Cole beat the entire other team and his team by 10 yards getting down the field and made an open field tackle against a playmaking punt return, but you apparently are not.

Oh ok I thanks for the memory jolt, we had this conversation earlier this summer and it basically went like this, I said Cole was a good special teams player, you said he wasn’t and that he messed up those on that return against SF, I said no special teams is a unit not an individual, you said it was his lanes, I said I still think he is a good special teams player, you said I can think that but I’m a 100% wrong and that Belichick draft Ryan and Harmon for the sole purpose of replacing Cole, I said wow using two third round picks seems like a large investment to replace a bad special teams player.

That sound about right? Anyway I still think Cole’s a good special team’s player and it appears that the we need to use more than two third round picks if we want to replace him after this season.

As far as a love fest, I wouldn’t go that far, I think he is a solid 45th or 46th player on game day that can contribute on special teams, provide depth at cornerback, and make the occasional impact play. I prefer dimes, but that doesn’t mean I toss the nickels and pennies out the window.

 

[Big-T]

The term that upset him was "religious imbecile". Evidently, the poster was taking a stand against anti-imbecile bigotry. It's rampant and some of us imbeciles are pi$$ed.

That has gone right over my head

Indoctrination & Thrall don't cover any of that so I'm totally lost

But, on topic! Probably not going to see any more news until tomorrow now I'm guessing?

 

[belichick010405]

Tedy Bruschi's take on Tim Tebow's chances with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

Tedy Bruschi on Tim Tebow making the New England Patriots roster

"I could envision a scenario where he is initially cut and not on the 53-man roster, but he comes back at another point down the line. Maybe multiple times, sort of like they did one year with Ross Ventrone. He was on the roster. He was off the roster. He was on the roster. He was off the roster. It sort of depended on the overall health of the team that week if the Patriots could keep Ventrone or had to go in another direction. Receiver Deion Branch has been in that situation, to a lesser degree. I could see Tebow being that guy this season as people in the organization would like to see him around and see if he can continue to be developed."

 

[shmessy]

Tebow doesn't have practice squad eligibility. Fire off some names that we can add onto the practice squad this year that will give them better looks against the read option than Tebow will and maybe we can have an actual discussion. There are some rookies that I would be interested in, but I haven't seen anything in the way of them getting cut quite yet.

So because he cannot go to the Practice Squad, you want him to take up a roster spot, but you never want to see him in a game.

Got it.

 

[Kontradiction]

So because he cannot go to the Practice Squad, you want him to take up a roster spot, but you never want to see him in a game.

Got it.

As a quarterback, no. I don't ever want to see him in the game. There's quite a few people on 53 man rosters across the NFL every year that either see very rare in-game action or no game action. There's quite a few people that have made the 53 man roster with the Patriots since I've been following this team that either a) I didn't want to see in a game situation even though I could see why they made the roster or, b) never saw action in a game. Hope that helps.

Now fire off some names of rookies with practice squad eligibility that are capable of running the read option better than Tebow and we can have a discussion. Or are you drawing a blank on that one?

 

[goheels22002]

Parsing words is an exercise of the small-minded. If we are going to argue.... argue the larger point.

None of us know what's is BB is thinking, I just personally think that he has a plan that involves keeping 3 QB's this years, one of which is going to be Tebow.

Maybe the "associate of Hernandez" who was the source for the Rolling Stone section on Belichick's thoughts about cutting him at the end of this season, and the advice to go find a safe house would like to chime in here. He or she knows what Bill Belichick is thinking.

On the topic at hand, Tebow's toast.

 

[Kontradiction]

Maybe the "associate og Hernandez" who was the source for the Rolling Stone section on Belichick's thoughts about cutting him at the end of this season, and the advice to go find a safe house would like to chime in here. He or she knows what Bill Belichick is thinking.

On the topic at hand, Tebow's toast.

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, either. But I'd have to think if he was going to get cut, it would have been today.

 

[Brady6]

Maybe the "associate og Hernandez" who was the source for the Rolling Stone section on Belichick's thoughts about cutting him at the end of this season, and the advice to go find a safe house would like to chime in here. He or she knows what Bill Belichick is thinking.

On the topic at hand, Tebow's toast.

I have to disagree with your post, you’re 100% wrong, Hernandez is not an OG, he is only 23 years old, when he gets out of prison or shall I say if he gets out of prison one day then he will be an OG, and that’s if he stays with the whole G thing, frankly I think he may be best suited for a different career choice, his time as a G has not been successful, maybe he can learn to be a barber or something in prison, or a professional pen pal.

 

[Brady6]

Tedy Bruschi's take on Tim Tebow's chances with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

Tedy Bruschi on Tim Tebow making the New England Patriots roster

"I could envision a scenario where he is initially cut and not on the 53-man roster, but he comes back at another point down the line. Maybe multiple times, sort of like they did one year with Ross Ventrone. He was on the roster. He was off the roster. He was on the roster. He was off the roster. It sort of depended on the overall health of the team that week if the Patriots could keep Ventrone or had to go in another direction. Receiver Deion Branch has been in that situation, to a lesser degree. I could see Tebow being that guy this season as people in the organization would like to see him around and see if he can continue to be developed."

If they cut him they no longer have to guarantee his 2013 salary correct? In which case I would cut him no matter if they want him or not, there is no reason to guarantee his contract, I see no chance of someone else scooping him up.

 

[Ring 6]

If they cut him they no longer have to guarantee his 2013 salary correct? In which case I would cut him no matter if they want him or not, there is no reason to guarantee his contract, I see no chance of someone else scooping him up.

This is one of the most butchered concepts on this board.
The premise: Player X would make the team, but they will cut him so they don't have to guarantee his salary.
Result: You keep a different player you didn't want to keep, and guarantee HIS salary then cut him to bring back the guy whose salary you didn't guarantee.
You gain nothing.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Just stating the obvious as a reminder.
Cut does not always mean permanently gone. Some players have been cut only to rejoin the 53 in season.
And some young'uns will make it to the PS for development to be joined by other young guys most of us haven't even heard of. Maybe some of them join the 53 later in season.
Some of us (me included) expect that BB will cut below the 53 before game one. sometimes even after.

Bottom of roster is not set in stone this weekend.

This is a great thread when not diverted.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: Patriots CUTS

This is one of the most butchered concepts on this board.
The premise: Player X would make the team, but they will cut him so they don't have to guarantee his salary.
Result: You keep a different player you didn't want to keep, and guarantee HIS salary then cut him to bring back the guy whose salary you didn't guarantee.
You gain nothing.

Yeah that's true, not that it would ever happen but logistically speaking we aren't required to have the roster be at the full 53 correct?

 

[Kontradiction]

Just stating the obvious as a reminder.
Cut does not always mean permanently gone. Some players have been cut only to rejoin the 53 in season.
And some young'uns will make it to the PS for development to be joined by other young guys most of us haven't even heard of. Maybe some of them join the 53 later in season.
Some of us (me included) expect that BB will cut below the 53 before game one. sometimes even after.

Bottom of roster is not set in stone this weekend.

This is a great thread when not diverted.

 

[Dragda]

Where's the bigotry in that post??

I assumed it was from another thread and this person is holding a grudge.

 

[Big-T]

I assumed it was from another thread and this person is holding a grudge.

Nope, it's just a standard response from a certain group of posters on here when they have no better reply.

 

[mcmurtry86]

This is one of the most butchered concepts on this board.
The premise: Player X would make the team, but they will cut him so they don't have to guarantee his salary.
Result: You keep a different player you didn't want to keep, and guarantee HIS salary then cut him to bring back the guy whose salary you didn't guarantee.
You gain nothing.

Sure you do if the guy who you cut initially has a higher base salary. Keep a 1st year player for a week, guarantee his NFL minimum salary and then send him to the practice squad (assuming he clears waivers, if not you're off the hook for the contract anyway) and bring back the veteran (in this case, Tebow).

You only "gain nothing" if the salaries wash or the guy you cut to avoid guaranteeing the contract makes less than whomever you cut to bring that guy back (why would any team do that?)

 

[mcmurtry86]

Yeah that's true, not that it would ever happen but logistically speaking we aren't required to have the roster be at the full 53 correct?

No it does not have to be at 53. However, if it drops below 53 beyond 24 hours, any guy who is on the practice squad for the 3rd year can become a free agent.

 

[kennyb]

Pretty sure rookies on the 53 for the first week are not guaranteed. Maybe not second year players either. So its not a butchered concept.

 

[mgteich]

It is not. I believe only 5 year vets are guaranteed. Certainly rookies and 2nd year players are not. We clearly save potential cap space by signing veterans after Game One, presuming that they play only part of the year (which of course they already have by missing Game One).

Pretty sure rookies on the 53 for the first week are not guaranteed. Maybe not second year players either. So its not a butchered concept.