Why did this team sign Tebow?

[mgteich]

???

Tebow has convinced you that he is better than Mallett because of his performance since he's been here? I hadn't noticed.

If Tebow is judged to be a better backup that Mallett, then he should make the 53 man squad. In that case, we will argue whether we keep Mallett as the #3 and try to trade one of them next offseason. Of course, the decision could be made to trade Mallett now.

But IMHO, this result in the fantasy world of the fans of Tebow.

If Tebow, god forbid, passes up Mallett for the #2 spot (it's not as crazy as it sounded a couple months ago) will you be as vehemently anti-Mallett as you were against Tebow? Can you muster up the energy to put out 100+ posts on how terribad Mallett is? If you really don't want a 3rd string qb out of principle, then you'd better hope Mallett steps up his game. He wasn't much better than Tebow last week.

Or, you can even think of it as a simple hypothetical, if you'd like. The idea isn't as far off as it would've sounded at the start of the summer, though.

 

[manxman2601]

Are you being serious? I'm not trying to be flippant here, I just can't for the life of me understand how someone could jump to such a ridiculous conclusion.

Belichick took a flyer on Tebow, because there's virtually no opportunity cost to doing so. Tebow's presence on the 90 man roster just means that we have one less future insurance salesman competing for a spot. So for now, we know that Belichick sees more in Tebow than he does in some random guy on the caliber of Scott Vallone or AJ Edds.

Beyond that, we have no idea what value Belichick places on Tebow, and we won't really have any idea until/unless he actually survives the cutdowns. And even then, if Tebow does make the team, Belichick does occasionally just sign bad players. He's not a perfect evaluator of talent, because nobody is a perfect evaluator of talent.

All of this ultimately means that your original point--that Belichick signing Tebow self-evidently means that he's a good player who's capable of meaningful contributions to the team--is wrong on like three different levels. I'm one of the biggest Belichick-homers on this board, and even I won't claim that he's perfect, and we all know that he loves to take low-risk flyers when the opportunity presents itself.

Except it wasn't my original point so there's that.

It might be nothing more than a low-cost flyer. It might be nothing more than a sop to Josh McDaniels. Or it might be more than that. All I've said is that because Belichick signed him and because Belichick has been such an outstanding coach that giving Tebow the benefit of the doubt makes some sense. I stand by that.

 

[Brady6]

If Tebow, god forbid, passes up Mallett for the #2 spot (it's not as crazy as it sounded a couple months ago) will you be as vehemently anti-Mallett as you were against Tebow? Can you muster up the energy to put out 100+ posts on how terribad Mallett is? If you really don't want a 3rd string qb out of principle, then you'd better hope Mallett steps up his game. He wasn't much better than Tebow last week.

Or, you can even think of it as a simple hypothetical, if you'd like. The idea isn't as far off as it would've sounded at the start of the summer, though.

Unless it is the heir apparent to Brady which neither Mallett or Tebow are in my opinion because they will both be in their 30’s when Brady retires, I am anti 3rd string quarterback, last season Mallett took 16 of a possible 1,240 snaps, we use Mesko as our placekick holder, and have more than enough guys in camp to play punt protector. So I don’t see the need for a 3rd string QB on this roster; plus I’d prefer to use that extra spot for depth at WR, TE, DL, or DB given all the question marks around experience, and injuries in those areas, this just isn’t the season for us to burden the roster with a developmental quarterback.

To answer your question; I would be against Mallett if he was beat out by Tebow, but my belief is that Tebow would have to decisively beat out Mallett in order to supplant him, not only because Mallett is the incumbent but also because Mallett may still hold some value in terms of trade compensation, Tebow’s based on his free agent interest has less value on the trade market than anyone in the NFL, in addition to trade value I’m also confident that if Mallett was released another team would either claim him on waivers or sign him once he hit the market, Tebow I think would remain on the free agent market and we could view him as a shadow roster player and bring him back on a futures contract in January to start this circus all over again.

 

[mgteich]

The same might be said about AJ Edds or a couple of dozen other players. Belichick is giving them all a chance. They all get the benefit of the doubt.

It might be nothing more than a low-cost flyer. It might be nothing more than a sop to Josh McDaniels. Or it might be more than that. All I've said is that because Belichick signed him and because Belichick has been such an outstanding coach that giving Tebow the benefit of the doubt makes some sense. I stand by that.

 

[manxman2601]

The same might be said about AJ Edds or a couple of dozen other players. Belichick is giving them all a chance. They all get the benefit of the doubt.

I agree. Finally someone gets it

 

[Awesomo 3000]

???

Tebow has convinced you that he is better than Mallett because of his performance since he's been here? I hadn't noticed.

If Tebow is judged to be a better backup that Mallett, then he should make the 53 man squad. In that case, we will argue whether we keep Mallett as the #3 and try to trade one of them next offseason. Of course, the decision could be made to trade Mallett now.

But IMHO, this result in the fantasy world of the fans of Tebow.

You're kinda twisting the point. I'm not claiming that Tebow is going to pass up Mallett for #2. I'm saying that if he did, Brady6 would then need to post 100+ times on how awful Mallett is, maybe start a thread or two condemning him as "not an NFL qb", and would have to focus his passion for the 53rd roster spot elsewhere.

He keeps saying that he's simply against having a 3rd qb. I call bs. That's pretty much it. If Mallett was somehow demoted to 3rd string, there wouldn't be a mega-mallett-haterade thread. With Tebow, it's about far more than simply having a #3 qb.

And if Tebow did pass him up, good luck getting anything in a trade for him. He'd have to be a cut, or a 3rd string qb.

(Bold, for main point )

 

[Nitro]

If Tebow, god forbid, passes up Mallett for the #2 spot (it's not as crazy as it sounded a couple months ago)

That sounds absolutely insane to me.

 

[Awesomo 3000]

That sounds absolutely insane to me.

Of course it does. You think Tebow's the worst qb evah. BB and McD seem to think there's more to it than that, though.

 

[mgteich]

If Tebow excels tonight and next week and passes Mallett, I would expect us all to be discussing what we could get for Mallett. Many here agree with Brady6 that we would rather use the roster spot somewhere more useful than #3 QB.

Yes, Tebow gets lots of posts. Mallett wouldn't get as much. Perhaps, that is because the Mallett followers are not as vocal.

And just BTW, in order for Tebow to pass him, Mallett would have to stink out the house for these next two games. And yes, there would be at least 100 posts about how bad he played. I'm sure Brady6 and I would be up to the challenge of 100 posts on a failed Mallett.

You're kinda twisting the point. I'm not claiming that Tebow is going to pass up Mallett for #2. I'm saying that if he did, Brady6 would then need to post 100+ times on how awful Mallett is, maybe start a thread or two condemning him as "not an NFL qb", and would have to focus his passion for the 53rd roster spot elsewhere.

He keeps saying that he's simply against having a 3rd qb. I call bs. That's pretty much it. If Mallett was somehow demoted to 3rd string, there wouldn't be a mega-mallett-haterade thread. With Tebow, it's about far more than simply having a #3 qb.

And if Tebow did pass him up, good luck getting anything in a trade for him. He'd have to be a cut, or a 3rd string qb.

(Bold, for main point )

 

[chasa]

If Tebow excels tonight and next week and passes Mallett, I would expect us all to be discussing what we could get for Mallett. Many here agree with Brady6 that we would rather use the roster spot somewhere more useful than #3 QB.

Yes, Tebow gets lots of posts. Mallett wouldn't get as much. Perhaps, that is because the Mallett followers are not as vocal.

I think its because Mallet followers don't move from football team to football team like a parasite.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Because he was/is better than Mike Kafka ... and more useful.

 

[Brady6]

It was mainly to address Brady6's dishonest claim that he's simply against having any 3rd string quarterback.

They were both pretty ineffective out there. With Tebow, you need to factor in yards on the ground as well. It's Mallett's job to lose, but he didn't light it up out there, by any definition.

And, most importantly, please tell me, when is the last time a coach installed a special offense, and dedicated significant practice to it, for only a 3rd or 4th string qb?

:wha:

:enranged:

Dishonest claim, what are you talking about; you don’t even know me, yet you feel entitled enough to pass judgment on my integrity, and then broadcast that judgment in a public online forum? I’m not particularly sure what makes you think it is ok to disparage people you don’t even know but I can tell you I do not appreciate it what so ever, you should of waited to hear my response before spewing your slanderous and untruthful nonsense across this board.

:nono2o not let this happen again; I show you respect, I expect you to reciprocate. Do we have an understanding Awesomo 3000?

 

[Demosthenes]

:wha:

:enranged:

Dishonest claim, what are you talking about; you don’t even know me, yet you feel entitled enough to pass judgment on my integrity, and then broadcast that judgment in a public online forum? I’m not particularly sure what makes you think it is ok to disparage people you don’t even know but I can tell you I do not appreciate it what so ever, you should of waited to hear my response before spewing your slanderous and untruthful nonsense across this board.

:nono2o not let this happen again; I show you respect, I expect you to reciprocate. Do we have an understanding Awesomo 3000?

Question for ya Brady. When Mallett was drafted, were you upset that Hoyer wasn't released ?

 

[SDI_Gator]

:wha:

:enranged:

Dishonest claim, what are you talking about; you don’t even know me, yet you feel entitled enough to pass judgment on my integrity, and then broadcast that judgment in a public online forum? I’m not particularly sure what makes you think it is ok to disparage people you don’t even know but I can tell you I do not appreciate it what so ever, you should of waited to hear my response before spewing your slanderous and untruthful nonsense across this board.

:nono2o not let this happen again; I show you respect, I expect you to reciprocate. Do we have an understanding Awesomo 3000?

Belichick104whatever called us ass clowns and challenged our manhood earlier. I think its being pretty tame just saying you're being dishonest. Not that I approve of it, this is a public forum and i try and reserve insults for people that insult me first.

These are not the tebots you're looking for, move along.

 

[Christiancat]

If Tebow excels tonight and next week and passes Mallett, I would expect us all to be discussing what we could get for Mallett. Many here agree with Brady6 that we would rather use the roster spot somewhere more useful than #3 QB.

Yes, Tebow gets lots of posts. Mallett wouldn't get as much. Perhaps, that is because the Mallett followers are not as vocal.

And just BTW, in order for Tebow to pass him, Mallett would have to stink out the house for these next two games. And yes, there would be at least 100 posts about how bad he played. I'm sure Brady6 and I would be up to the challenge of 100 posts on a failed Mallett.

Mallett's followers aren't as vocal, but nor are his detractors. With Tebow his supporters are vocal, but so are his detractors.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Except it wasn't my original point so there's that.

It might be nothing more than a low-cost flyer. It might be nothing more than a sop to Josh McDaniels. Or it might be more than that. All I've said is that because Belichick signed him and because Belichick has been such an outstanding coach that giving Tebow the benefit of the doubt makes some sense. I stand by that.

Belichick also signed AJ Edds. Do you think we should therefore give Edds the benefit of the doubt and count that as an indication that he's a good player and intriguing prospect?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Mallett's followers aren't as vocal, but nor are his detractors. With Tebow his supporters are vocal, but so are his detractors.

As a counterpoint to that counterpoint, I'd argue that Mallett's detractors aren't that vocal because they don't really have anyone disagreeing with them, at this point. The general consensus on the board is that, at the lower end people view him as a JAG, while on the upper end people view him as a viable backup who might have a little bit of upside. You won't find many people, on this board or anywhere else, who would be comfortable with Mallett being the QB1 on their favorite team.

 

[Brady6]

You're kinda twisting the point. I'm not claiming that Tebow is going to pass up Mallett for #2. I'm saying that if he did, Brady6 would then need to post 100+ times on how awful Mallett is, maybe start a thread or two condemning him as "not an NFL qb", and would have to focus his passion for the 53rd roster spot elsewhere.

He keeps saying that he's simply against having a 3rd qb. I call bs. That's pretty much it. If Mallett was somehow demoted to 3rd string, there wouldn't be a mega-mallett-haterade thread. With Tebow, it's about far more than simply having a #3 qb.

And if Tebow did pass him up, good luck getting anything in a trade for him. He'd have to be a cut, or a 3rd string qb.

(Bold, for main point )

Listen I’m not sure what your problem is but I speak both highly and negatively of Tebow depending on the context of the topic and what the facts support, I have made numerous points about how I’d like to see Tebow on some type of reserve roster under control of the team and working on what he needs to work on.

Furthermore you’re asking me a question that is clearly irrational, and doing it in an effort just to create some level of confrontation, we’ve complete all mandatory OTA’s, all of training camp and are entering the second week of the preseason, during that time Tebow has not taken a single rep from Mallett with the second unit (other than game 1 due to injury) but you’re suggesting that there is a chance that after an awful performance in the first game Tebow is going to do so well in the next 3 weeks to make the coaches forget all about his performances to this point and he will surpass Mallett, and then asking me to offer my potential reaction to that occurring? But then when I do answer it respectfully you call it BS? Ok buddy...

I do not want Mallett or Tebow taking more than the 16 snaps given to our backup last season, and I don’t care which one of them does it, heck we can sign Ryan Leaf off of work release to be the backup QB for all I care, as long as they don’t see the football field it does NOT matter to me. So if you want a do over against the kids in school who left you out or labeled you different and you’re trying to achieve that through Tebow and in this football forum you’d likely best off doing it with someone else, I neither the time nor the interest in your nonsense, I read last night when you made note of your enjoyment from instigating and agitating Belichick01… so clearly you’re not using this forum for its intend use and instead choosing to use it for your own childish and malice agenda.

 

[Brady6]

Belichick104whatever called us ass clowns and challenged our manhood earlier. I think its being pretty tame just saying you're being dishonest. Not that I approve of it, this is a public forum and i try and reserve insults for people that insult me first.

These are not the tebots you're looking for, move along.

I’m not Belichick01… so that has nothing to do with me and I shouldn’t be disrespected or mistreated because of it, I am one of the most respectful and fair members in this forum, I never insult people personally and seldom argue with anyone, what he said and did is completely unacceptable, and what another person did to him does nothing to excuse or justify his behavior.

 

[SDI_Gator]

I’m not Belichick01… so that has nothing to do with me and I shouldn’t be disrespected or mistreated because of it, I am one of the most respectful and fair members in this forum, I never insult people personally and seldom argue with anyone, what he said and did is completely unacceptable, and what another person did to him does nothing to excuse or justify his behavior.

Fair enough.