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I hear what you're saying that in many times a VOP can be a somewhat minor offense, but the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle too. You also have to look at the seriousness of the original conviction, and the fact that they already gave him a special provision to spend his jail time at his convenience. Last I checked most judges don't give you the option of "when" you prefer to go to jail, so that may be the first thing taken away.

As far as a new harsh punishment, we're in total agreement there. It shouldn't be too bad in my opinion, and I do expect Dennard to play out the majority of the season at the very least; but I also think that you're somewhat underestimating the seriousness of a VOP too.

In most states you cannot even make bond on a VOP charge if it's filed prior to the process being completed, and you simply sit there until either your new charges are figured out in court which can take 4-6 months, or until the maximum is served on the original charge (not that I'm suggesting that's what Dennard is looking at).

If the violation occurs AFTER the new charge process is played out (which is what you are referring to), then in most situations a first offense violation is not considered to be very serious. However, things are somewhat different in this scenario due to the judge and P.O. deciding that they are going to have a hearing prior to that happening.

Either way, I don't think we need to worry too much as Patsfans, but you really don't want to violate your judge's probation. There are many who do not take too kindly to that, and they can make your life very difficult.

In Massachusetts, refusal of a breathalyzer is a six month suspension of your license which is a relative slap on the wrist. In fact, many lawyers in Massachusetts recommend taking the test for a first offense because it is can pleaded down to a 30 day suspended license for a DWI.

Whether it is right or not, most states treat DUIs as minor offenses that usually are limited to suspension of your license for a first offense. In real life, driving while intoxicated may be a bigger issue, but in the legal system it is considered a minor misdemeanor for the most part. At least a first offense with no damage to person or property.

I have a lawyer friend who was represented a client who was on probation for multiple DUIs and took out two parked cars while driving drunk and he still got what was relatively a slap on the wrist.
 
In Massachusetts, refusal of a breathalyzer is a six month suspension of your license which is a relative slap on the wrist. In fact, many lawyers in Massachusetts recommend taking the test for a first offense because it is can pleaded down to a 30 day suspended license for a DWI.

Whether it is right or not, most states treat DUIs as minor offenses that usually are limited to suspension of your license for a first offense. In real life, driving while intoxicated may be a bigger issue, but in the legal system it is considered a minor misdemeanor for the most part. At least a first offense with no damage to person or property.

I have a lawyer friend who was represented a client who was on probation for multiple DUIs and took out two parked cars while driving drunk and he still got what was relatively a slap on the wrist.

I'm not disputing the "seriousness" of a DUI in regards to getting into trouble or the legal system, Rob--despite what we can both agree on a moral level is indeed a "serious" offense.

I'm just stating that the fact that the prosecution specifically issued an order to the judge to flat out revoke Dennard's probation entirely prior to the case even being heard in court is not a good sign at all.

That, coupled with the fact that you also need to look at the seriousness of the original charge is what I respectfully feel you are minimizing a bit.

One other issue that I'd respectfully disagree with is that in many cases the administrative 6-12 month license suspension is NOT always plead down to "just" a DUI 30 day suspension. And it's certainly not the "slap on the wrist" that you're claiming in comparison to the slap on the wrist of the usual 30 day suspension that most DUI offenders are given. It's actually much harsher than that, and can be anywhere between 6-12 months vs the usual month. The reality is in fact, many defendants who are found guilty of the DUI on top of refusal of the test are actually punished harder than they'd have been had they just blown into the breathalyzer and taken the DUI charge. In many of those cases they end up with a longer license suspension of 6-12 months on top of the DUI conviction too, although I'm sure you are right that some of them in certain circumstances end up accepting a plea; but I don't think it's nearly as certain as you may believe.

Unless your fear was the more serious aggrevated DUI charge that often occurs when you are insanely drunk, I personally wouldn't refuse the test myself. If you feel as though you're blotto and you can end up getting the aggrevated charge past them down to simple DUI, then you should refuse the test; but if you're not even sure if you're legally drunk or not and are just tipsy, then you should always take the test...at least in my opinion anyway. However, it's a major controversy that a lot of people disagree on, and my guess is that it'll remain that way. I'm just telling you my personal thoughts on what I'd do, for whatever that may/may not be worth to you.

At any rate, that is irrlevant. The biggest shame of the matter is that is appears as though judge Stephanie Stacy would have seriously considered outright suspending Dennard's 30 day sentence come March, had he just stayed out of trouble. At least that's what she claimed on April 11, when the defense asked for such a thing. Now that is out the window too.
 
For what it's worth, it has been something we've been discussing here on the forum.

I think it's pretty reasonable to feel that someone may have a no alcohol clause in their probational terms, especially considering that his original charge stemmed from a barfight.

I may indeed have read Florio's comments at some point, as I do check the site every day--but this is not exactly an original thought.

I've seen a ton of defendants have no alcohol clauses as part of their restrictions, particularly those that stem from fights and bars.

If Jeff Howe personally read the restrictions of Dennard's probationary contract or has some inside source then no one here was aware of that as current as about an hour ago, and if they were they certainly didn't share that info.

I never once stated that he definitely had that clause--who the hell would really know aside from the P.O. and or the judge/Dennard? I simply stated that may end up coming into play, which is entirely reasonable.

I'm not really questioning the veracity of the info, I just feel that Florio doesn't deserve our viewership,
especially regarding Pats issues.
 
the only Florio I ever read is when what he prints makes it here to the threads...I mean,who the hell IS Mike Florio anyway?...a Mel Kiper disciple?

I made some draft picks...put me on TV..

Kiper and Florio's hit to miss ratio are about equal...under 10%
 
Well, the fact that the prosecutor has asked the judge to entirely revoke the probation itself doesn't necessarily come across as "good news" to me personally.

While Dennard's situation isn't "that" serious on a grand scale of things, this also has the potential to be a lot more serious than some seem to think.

Prosecutor asks judge to revoke Dennard's probation : Journal Star Breaking News

I respect your responses in this thread, as you seem very well informed..

However, I wonder in this case if this is political posturing.. and responding to the shenanigans of Nebraska football players who are oft viewed as above the law.

In a world where any press is viewed as good press, this will certainly make it to the front of newspapers.. and may be construed as this AG is doing a good job.
 
I respect your responses in this thread, as you seem very well informed..

However, I wonder in this case if this is political posturing.. and responding to the shenanigans of Nebraska football players who are oft viewed as above the law.

In a world where any press is viewed as good press, this will certainly make it to the front of newspapers.. and may be construed as this AG is doing a good job.

Not sure about that. Bo Pelini is a pretty tough customer.
 
Not sure about that. Bo Pelini is a pretty tough customer.

Neither am I, that is why I qualified it as "I wonder"... he can be a tough customer, however some view any college athletes as coddled.
 
Neither am I, that is why I qualified it as "I wonder"... he can be a tough customer, however some view any college athletes as coddled.

They are, but Nebraska hasn't had nearly the amount of arrests in the last few years that colleges like UF have had.
 
Apparently Nebraska is moving to revoke Dennard's probation.

 
Apparently Nebraska is moving to revoke Dennard's probation.

That's been apparent since the probation hearing was reported.

What did you think the state was going to want? Suspend his license and extend his probation? They want to throw him in jail as early as they can because they probably still have a hair across their ass about his sentencing, thinking it was too lenient.
 
What's even worse is that Jeff Howe reported today that on 7/31 the judge will simply set a date for approximately a month from then, which will definitely take us into the season--or damn close to it.

I've been hoping that if Dennard had to end up doing the 30 day sentence now, it could possibly be done as soon as possible. Now this will go into at least the beginning of Sept, and that's if the defense doesn't push it even further. They could ask for more time if they choose, but it most likely would still end being during the season.

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald
 
That's been apparent since the probation hearing was reported.

What did you think the state was going to want? Suspend his license and extend his probation? They want to throw him in jail as early as they can because they probably still have a hair across their ass about his sentencing, thinking it was too lenient.

Actually, I was expecting the state to drop the charges, give Dennard money for his inconvenience, and apologize to all Pats fans.

 
I'm not really questioning the veracity of the info, I just feel that Florio doesn't deserve our viewership,
especially regarding Pats issues.

I certainly understand where you're coming from, but I still find the site itself a useful tool in regards to being able to find all of the relevant NFL news in one area, and that's why I still check in several times a day there.

When Florio starts straying from simply reporting (actually copying/pasting articles from around the web) and begins to speculate and give his personal biased opinion, things go sour for him....

If he could simply stick to just reporting the findings from all of the relevant beat writers and NFL reporters, the site would be much better.
 
So, Jason Kidd assaults his wife a number of years ago and racks up a DUI conviction on Long Island recently and everyone still welcomes him as the Nets' new coach. Not a player, the COACH. Interesting....
 
that's easy to explain...he hates Boston...ergo..he's a good guy
 
They are, but Nebraska hasn't had nearly the amount of arrests in the last few years that colleges like UF have had.

Which has nothing to do with how the Nebraska public perceives any of this.. and politics is often about perception..

Nebraska has had their share of football player shenanigans, which even though is a comparatively small amount it may be viewed as too many..
 
What's even worse is that Jeff Howe reported today that on 7/31 the judge will simply set a date for approximately a month from then, which will definitely take us into the season--or damn close to it.

I've been hoping that if Dennard had to end up doing the 30 day sentence now, it could possibly be done as soon as possible. Now this will go into at least the beginning of Sept, and that's if the defense doesn't push it even further. They could ask for more time if they choose, but it most likely would still end being during the season.

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

Most likely it will get pushed until after the season. It is very common for judges to allow players to push trials and hearings until after the season. I think this is good news, not bad. Unless the judge is really peissed off, it is likely that she will allow Dennard's motion to push the trial to February or March.
 
In the long run it may be good for Alfanzo to spend 30 days in jail. He needs to grow up and realize playing professional football is a privilege not a right.
 
In the long run it may be good for Alfanzo to spend 30 days in jail. He needs to grow up and realize playing professional football is a privilege not a right.

Unless the judge gives him more time, he isn't spending anywhere near 30 days in jail. He will spend a week, maybe two.
 
Which has nothing to do with how the Nebraska public perceives any of this.. and politics is often about perception..

Nebraska has had their share of football player shenanigans, which even though is a comparatively small amount it may be viewed as too many..


As was seen in the Duke case, there's often some friction between towns and Universities. Whether it's high profile players, frats, or just the overall student population.

I ran into the same thing at Eastern Kentucky when I went there my freshman year. The local cops would roust students for trivial things.
 
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