DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION The Official Round 1 2013 NFL Draft Thread

[Brady2Moss]

I see so you are unhappy with the draft pick of Bequette? I am hopeful that he breaks through in his 2nd year alongside Wilfork and Jones.

My point is this team is close to winning a Super Bowl, but has needs that need to be filled with impact players. It is harder to do that the further you trade down in the draft. If they traded to the top 10 of the 2nd round and added a 4th I would be ecstatic because there are 10 guys that can help still. But when you trade to the 50th overall pick you are hurting your chances of getting impact.

If they trade up and grab 2 guys at the top of the second that is another story and hopefully that happens. As it stands dancing on the roofs about a trade down because of an 8 point margin of victory on a value chart is ridiculous and I'm going to call people out on it.

I bet you're ready for Ras-IR Dowling to show Revis how CB should be played

 

[BKBroiler]

You, just like every other fan, should realize by now that the Patriots screw the pooch about as often as most teams, and that preferring the higher percentage returns over the lower percentage returns is a perfectly understandable, and valid, preference.

Either approach works, when when they work. Both fail, when they fail.

And I didn't say that overall depth doesn't matter as a general principle. You aren't bothering to read for comprehension.

Just to jog your memory:

Overall depth doesn't mean a damned thing to a team that doesn't need "overall depth".

Damn, that short-term memory loss from about 5 pages back must be a real killer, huh? I know a good doctor if you want to get it checked out.

 

[belichick010405]

My point is this team is close to winning a Super Bowl, but has needs that need to be filled with impact players. It is harder to do that the further you trade down in the draft. If they traded to the top 10 of the 2nd round and added a 4th I would be ecstatic because there are 10 guys that can help still. But when you trade to the 50th overall pick you are hurting your chances of getting impact.

If they trade up and grab 2 guys at the top of the second that is another story and hopefully that happens. As it stands dancing on the roofs about a trade down because of an 8 point margin of victory on a value chart is ridiculous and I'm going to call people out on it.

Ok Brady - I have asked before and I will ask again. If you were the Patriots GM for tomorrow and Saturday, what would you do?

 

[Brady2Moss]

Can you let me know when you and Deus get to Foxborough in order to run rounds 2 and 3 so that we can track how the two of you are doing?

Thanks in advance.....

So you get called out on somehow turning my argument that we have a poor track record in the 2nd-4th rounds into me saying the 08 and 09 drafts were total failures. I show you what I meant with every single pick in those rounds during those years and you respond with a troll post because you really have no response.

No point arguing with someone that cannot keep up.

 

[Sciz]

I don't know why we just didn't pick Patterson. He's got the height and speed to excel on the outside so he fills a need. Plus he's got the versatility that BB loves. Doesn't make sense to me.

Because you have to be smart to play WR for the Pats.

 

[condon84]

He isn't a route runner and he's been called immature and supposedly has trouble understanding route concepts.

Those don't fit with what NE does.

Meh, Hernandez didn't fit the bill coming out of college too and he worked out fine.

On the other hand, Chad Jackson did fit the bill coming out of college and look at how he turned out.

 

[belichick010405]

So you get called out on somehow turning my argument that we have a poor track record in the 2nd-4th rounds into me saying the 08 and 09 drafts were total failures. I show you what I meant with every single pick in those rounds during those years and you respond with a troll post because you really have no response.

No point arguing with someone that cannot keep up.

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. What would you do tomorrow and Saturday?

 

[Deus Irae]

Just to jog your memory:



Damn, that short-term memory loss from about 5 pages back must be a real killer, huh? I know a good doctor if you want to get it checked out.

No need. See, the problem was that you only bolded the portion of the sentence that fit your snarky, and really stupid, reply:

Overall depth doesn't mean a damned thing

while completely ignoring the rest of the sentence:

to a team that doesn't need "overall depth".

As I said, you didn't bother reading for comprehension.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Meh, Hernandez didn't fit the bill coming out of college too and he worked out fine.

On the other hand, Chad Jackson did fit the bill coming out of college and look at how he turned out.

Patterson is a Grade-A (uncomfortable using the words grade and A in the same sentence with this guy maybe Grade-F is more appropriate) Moron

 

[Brady2Moss]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. What would you do tomorrow and Saturday?

Why would I answer that if I was against trading down so far to acquire picks on those days? I would trade right back up and come away with 2 wide receivers, a corner, and a defense tackle or end.

Anyway I'm done responding to you, you got called out and refuse to acknowledge how idiotic your responses have been. Goodnight.

 

[shmessy]

My point is this team is close to winning a Super Bowl, but has needs that need to be filled with impact players. It is harder to do that the further you trade down in the draft. If they traded to the top 10 of the 2nd round and added a 4th I would be ecstatic because there are 10 guys that can help still. But when you trade to the 50th overall pick you are hurting your chances of getting impact.

If they trade up and grab 2 guys at the top of the second that is another story and hopefully that happens. As it stands dancing on the roofs about a trade down because of an 8 point margin of victory on a value chart is ridiculous and I'm going to call people out on it.

I bet you're ready for Ras-IR Dowling to show Revis how CB should be played

Has Revis ever been to a Super Bowl?

No.

Because his teams relied on Revis the Great, and not depth.

But he has a wicked cool highlight reel, right B2M?

 

[Brady2Moss]

Seriously. Who is #81? Who is #22?

You're not even trying to make sense now.

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh you're one of those using exceptions to act like we're studly at drafting in those rounds. Whoops.

 

[belichick010405]

Why would I answer that if I was against trading down so far to acquire picks on those days? I would trade right back up and come away with 2 wide receivers, a corner, and a defense tackle or end.

Anyway I'm done responding to you, you got called out and refuse to acknowledge how idiotic your responses have been. Goodnight.

OK - so what impact players would you take in round 2-4 this weekend and what impact player would you have taken at pick 29 since Patterson is a moron.

 

[BKBroiler]

My point is this team is close to winning a Super Bowl, but has needs that need to be filled with impact players. It is harder to do that the further you trade down in the draft. If they traded to the top 10 of the 2nd round and added a 4th I would be ecstatic because there are 10 guys that can help still. But when you trade to the 50th overall pick you are hurting your chances of getting impact.

If they trade up and grab 2 guys at the top of the second that is another story and hopefully that happens. As it stands dancing on the roofs about a trade down because of an 8 point margin of victory on a value chart is ridiculous and I'm going to call people out on it.

The problem with your argument in the first paragraph is that there should still be a good number of players at positions of need (WR, etc) around pick 50 that have the same talent level as those available between 30-40. Thus, getting the extra 3rd round pick is a huge plus since it will also allow them to either target a specific player at another pick, trade the pick back to next year for added value, or address an additional area of need.

 

[Deus Irae]

Has Revis ever been to a Super Bowl?

No.

Because his teams relied on Revis the Great, and not depth.

But he has a wicked cool highlight reel, right B2M?

This would make more sense (not much, but a little), if Revis the Great hadn't gotten to the AFCCG twice, including once after beating BB the Great's team.

 

[condon84]

Patterson is a Grade-A (uncomfortable using the words grade and A in the same sentence with this guy maybe Grade-F is more appropriate) Moron

Let's be real here. The only reason why you're calling him a Grade A moron is because the Pats passed on him. If the Pats would have picked him you would be glossing over whatever reason you're calling him a moron and allude to the other "risk" players that the Pats have drafted or signed in the past that have worked out.

 

[shmessy]

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh you're one of those using exceptions to act like we're studly at drafting in those rounds. Whoops.

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Originally Posted by Brady2Moss

"And again thanks for making my point that in rounds 3-4 you are NOT GOING TO GET A STARTER THAT MAKES AN IMPACT ANY TIME SOON". (caps mine)
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Do you need a diagram?

 

[Brady2Moss]

Has Revis ever been to a Super Bowl?

No.

Because his teams relied on Revis the Great, and not depth.

But he has a wicked cool highlight reel, right B2M?

Good job ignoring the entire post, replying to one line, and then making yourself look like a fool in 3 lines.

Let's compare this team to the Jets as a way to forecast what would happen if this team added top end talent and not depth THIS YEAR. Hey guess what we already have a lot of depth so maybe nows the time to get top end talent

Everyone that uses other teams to forecast what would happen with this team if it does something is clueless.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Let's be real here. The only reason why you're calling him a Grade A moron is because the Pats passed on him. If the Pats would have picked him you would be glossing over whatever reason you're calling him a moron and allude to the other "risk" players that the Pats have drafted or signed in the past that have worked out.

I stated in multiple threads Patterson is not a fit for us because he's a dummy. You lose.

 

[Brady2Moss]

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Originally Posted by Brady2Moss

"And again thanks for making my point that in rounds 3-4 you are NOT GOING TO GET A STARTER THAT MAKES AN IMPACT ANY TIME SOON". (caps mine)
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Do you need a diagram?

Sorry you are MOST LIKELY not going to get a starter that makes an impact any time soon. I already stated earlier that the probability was less, sorry that I didn't include the qualifier most likely in every single one of my posts.

You need serious help all you do is follow me around trying to call me an idiot by grasping at straws.

My original point was and still is you are less likely to get an impact starter, not that Belichick has never drafted a good player in rounds 2-4, just that for every good one theres 2-3 bad ones.