The Official Round 1 2013 NFL Draft Thread

[BradyBranch39]

What bothers me is the sweet spot of this draft seems like right where we traded out of to the mid second .

This isn't true at all.

 

[belichick010405]

Patriots Picks

(I am mocking per NFL Draft Scout's Big Board and their Best Players Available)

52 - Zach Ertz, TE is the 19th BPA on the board
59 - Darius Slay, CB is within this draft range
83 - Cornelius Washington, DE/OLB is within this draft range
91 - Da'Rick Rogers, WR is within this draft range
102 - Khaseem Greene, OLB is within this draft range
229
7th
7th

I would be pretty happy with that in the next five picks.

 

[Big Bucks]

Pats gave up their 1st rounder as predicted but they got a ransom. 4 picks for 1 - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th. Really can't fault BB for accepting that boatload of picks! And the Vikings take talented but immature wideout Corderelle Patterson.

That's no ransom, that's what we are due, 5pts on the charts

Getting a 2014 1st and a 2013 2nd like the old days is a ransom

 

[BradyFTW!]

Fck me ... Not Elam to the Ravens ...

Eh, maybe I'm just biased, but I didn't really like Elam anyway, and I've been on record as saying that for a few months now. Seems like Pat Chung 2.0 to me.

 

[jmt57]

Go look at BBs track record on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks. And the league as a whole. As you get to lower and lower rounds the bust rate is higher and higher obviously. We'll see what they do tomorrow. Color me unimpressed unless they trade up and get a WR and someone like the honey badger.

1. - Obviously the later you draft, the lower your probability of success
   
2. - Also consider the possibility that 60%+0%+0% < 30%+25%+15%
   
3. - As I said previously, it seems odd to rate a draft that has not yet happened
   
4. - Honey Badger? That's the answer? Seriously?

 

[BradyFTW!]

the 7th pick is basically nothing. What bothers me is the sweet spot of this draft seems like right where we traded out of to the mid second where we have no picks. Sure there will be gems as usual in the rest but what's the point in drafting 6 to get one? I usually like trading back too but right now it makes no sense.

Even if that's the case, they have plenty of ammo now to trade back up into the sweet spot and get the guy(s) they want. Especially if they deal the Mallet pick for an additional 2nd.

 

[BradyFTW!]

1. - Obviously the later you draft, the lower your probability of success
   
2. - Also consider the possibility that 60%+0%+0% < 30%+25%+15%
   
3. - As I said previously, it seems odd to rate a draft that has not yet happened
   
4. - Honey Badger? That's the answer? Seriously?

Pretty sure that signing Arrington to a $4M/yr extension more or less precludes drafting Honey Badger.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

In a normal year I think Cordarelle would be a late second - third rounder - - plenty of "potential" but - first round would be a major reach in any other normal year

 

[Adam Seward]

Weve at least got more maneuverability be it up, down or 12 months ahead.

 

[jmt57]

Patriots Picks

(I am mocking per NFL Draft Scout's Big Board and their Best Players Available)

52 - Zach Ertz, TE is the 19th BPA on the board
59 - Darius Slay, CB is within this draft range
83 - Cornelius Washington, DE/OLB is within this draft range
91 - Da'Rick Rogers, WR is within this draft range
102 - Khaseem Greene, OLB is within this draft range
229
7th
7th

I would be pretty happy with that in the next five picks.

- I would not be too pleased if the first choice was a TE

- Slay has serious injury issues, no thanks at that spot

 

[BKBroiler]

I think Peterson who the Vikings took with the pats pick was pretty much the only guy left worth takeing in the first round, I guess im happy with the trade down but two 2th round pick at the bottom of round 2 in a draft that is not very deep I don't like that I would have been more happy with the Vikings #1 next year and 3rd this year

Why do people keep harping that this draft isn't deep? Its been widely known for a while that while the draft lacked high-end prospects, but the sweet spot of this years draft are rounds 2-4 where there will be a bunch of good players available. Now the Pats have 5 picks in that range to address any of the following: WR (maybe 2), DL, DB, coverage LB, G. Not to mention, they now have the flexibility to trade up to target specific players over the next few rounds. Plus as an added bonus, only two WR have come off the board in round 1, leaving a ton of talent available for rounds 2-3 including Allen, Woods, Wheaton, Hunter, etc.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's no ransom, that's what we are due, 5pts on the charts

Getting a 2014 1st and a 2013 2nd like the old days is a ransom

Yeah, people claiming the Patriots killed on this overlook the big drop from #29.

The point differences get smaller now, though, so they can package picks and move up twice in round 2 while still keeping some of the later picks. The question is whether or not BB will actually pull the damned trigger instead of trying to corner the market on 7th round picks.

 

[shmessy]

Go look at BBs track record on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks. And the league as a whole. As you get to lower and lower rounds the bust rate is higher and higher obviously. We'll see what they do tomorrow. Color me unimpressed unless they trade up and get a WR and someone like the honey badger.

In just the last 3 years:

Cunningham, Hernandez, Bequette, Gronkowski, Wilson, Spikes, Ridley, Vereen, Mallett......

Your point?

 

[shmessy]

Yeah, people claiming the Patriots killed on this overlook the big drop from #29.

The point differences get smaller now, though, so they can package picks and move up twice in round 2 while still keeping some of the later picks. The question is whether or not BB will actually pull the damned trigger instead of trying to corner the market on 7th round picks.

Depends whether this is a normal draft, a top-heavy draft or a deep draft.

THAT is what really effects the point values. Can't look at it blindly.

I'm not a draftnik. But most analysts have been calling this a very deep draft and quite opposite from last year's top-heavy draft (where, BTW, the Pats traded up).

 

[Deus Irae]

Why do people keep harping that this draft isn't deep? Its been widely known for a while that while the draft lacked high-end prospects, but the sweet spot of this years draft are rounds 2-4 where there will be a bunch of good players available. Now the Pats have 5 picks in that range to address any of the following: WR (maybe 2), DL, DB, coverage LB, G. Not to mention, they now have the flexibility to trade up to target specific players over the next few rounds. Plus as an added bonus, only two WR have come off the board in round 1, leaving a ton of talent available for rounds 2-3 including Allen, Woods, Wheaton, Hunter, etc.

What's widely known is that some positions were deep, but some were weak through and through, and others were fairly top heavy. That's not the same as being deep all the way through.

 

[upstater1]

a lot of picks but lets be honest, we'll be lucky to get 1 good player out of that

Maybe they can swing a Mallet trade somehow still

They simply like people who are not on top of other boards. They could make a small move up 10 spots and land a Robert Woods or Keenan Allen. It might only cost them a 4th and a 7th.

They can still grab a Wheaton, Dobson or Hunter or Rogers at 27 too.

And to top it off, land a Blidi Wreh Wilson or Honey Badger in the 3rd to go along with a

Maybe they already have a deal with Cleveland for Mallet in the second as well. Then they could grab DE Tank Carradine.

With their second 3rd, maybe ???

 

[belichick010405]

- I would not be too pleased if the first choice was a TE

- Slay has serious injury issues, no thanks at that spot

Ok - let me give you another BPA scenario:

Patriots Picks

(I am mocking per NFL Draft Scout's Big Board and their Best Players Available)

52 - Damontre Moore/Sam Montgomery/Alex Okafor, DE
59 - Dave Amerson, CB, North Carolina State, Sio Moore, OLB, UConn or Terrence Williams/Markus Wheaton, WR
83 - Cornelius Washington, DE/OLB
91 - Da'Rick Rogers, WR
102 - Khaseem Greene, OLB
229
7th
7th

I would be pretty happy with that in the next five picks.

 

[Adam Seward]

In just the last 3 years:

Cunningham, Hernandez, Bequette, Gronkowski, Wilson, Spikes, Ridley, Vereen, Mallett......

Your point?

We didn't draft the next perennial all pro superstar at 29. If we don't draft a honey badger, **** BB.

 

[reflexblue]

Christ, just when I think we're stuck BB just pulls a huge rabbit out and get us 8 picks with the meat in the middle rounds which is where I think the value is this year.

Out of the past few years, I think this year's first round had the poorest value.

I think with this draft or most any draft you'd have to be crazy not to take 4 pics to 1 at #29

 

[Deus Irae]

Depends whether this is a normal draft, a top-heavy draft or a deep draft.

THAT is what really effects the point values. Can't look at it blindly.

Given that the Patriots only got chart value, I'd say your post doesn't really apply. You'll claim differently, in all likelihood, but the numbers are what the numbers are.