Welker was never coming to the patriots

[RhodyPatriot]

Wes Welker is a tough guy and a great receiver. For some reason, I have a "gut feeling" that he will get hurt and miss substantial playing time.

I have a gut feeling Wes Welker is going to have a great year for the Broncos and will feel liberated that he doesn't have to be a Belichick robot any longer.
Wes will be allowed to have a personality, be allowed to actually breath without getting permission from the HC and that Rocky Mountain air is going to smell so so refreshing.

 

[Triumph]

And your'e whining about a whiner whining about whiners.

Where does it end?

No, Im pointing out a pattern here.

It will end when everyone drinks the kool aid.

 

[BTTA]

Why isn't it time to tear the front office a new one, repeatedly, until they get the hint from their fans and stop making these kinds of really stupid decisions with the top-level players? Why is it that people here simply decide to choke down yet another crap sandwich instead of calling out the team for either incompetence or letting personal feelings interfere with business on this?

It's great that the team doesn't make moronic moves like this as much as most teams. It's still inexcusable that this was allowed to occur.

1. The combined knowledge of everyone on this Board = about 11% of the information that underlies what went on with the Welker. To make assertions about what actually happened, and who should have done what, with any degree of certainty, is just plain silly.

2. The LAST THING I want the Pats to do is to pay attention to ANYTHING the fans want when making decisions about player personnel. It is the equivalent of having the crowd make the thumbs up - thumbs down decision in the Roman Colosseum. Emotionally satisfying, strategically stupid.

 

[IllegalContact]

I have a gut feeling Wes Welker is going to have a great year for the Broncos and will feel liberated that he doesn't have to be a Belichick robot any longer.
Wes will be allowed to have a personality, be allowed to actually breath without getting permission from the HC and that Rocky Mountain air is going to smell so so refreshing.

if welker has a great year, that means decker and thomas will lose touches........that's a win for the opponents

 

[IllegalContact]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

after 4 years, amendola has done more than welker did at that point.

welker had a more serious injury than amendola did.......timing just screwed things up for amendola

otherwise, I gather you won't be watching this fall......sounds way too depressing for you

 

[RhodyPatriot]

if welker has a great year, that means decker and thomas will lose touches........that's a win for the opponents

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

[1960Pats]

If Welker wanted to get paid here, he would have caught that ball.

Enough already. Wes Welker might be one of the only NFL WRs that would even get a finger on that poorly thrown pass.

The fact is, BOTH sides are to blame for him leaving and it looked to me that they BOTH were unhappy with the way it came out.

I'll miss him, but I won't be losing any sleep over it, unless he ends up beating us in the playoffs next year.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't leave it out. It's been in paper after paper, it's been online, it's been in thread after thread, etc...



No, it wasn't, as has been pointed out. And, yet, the Patriots really did low ball him. I love how people conveniently ignore the reality of what the Patriots did here.

1.) Lock him up long term, but never adjust the contract to reflect his significantly outplaying it, when they never hesistate to demand players take less if they feel the play isn't up to the standards of the contract

That is one of the most naive comments I have seen on this board.
First, it is idiotic to adjust a long term contract because the player plays well.
Second, they have never demanded a player reduce his contract without saying they will release them if they do not. There are a grand total of 2 players that come to mind, both wearing #85, where this happened.
You want to run the organization where you give away money you don't have to and don't get out of bad contracts?

2.) Franchise him with no intention of entering into fair and honest negotiations.

You have no clue of their intentions, but even if that were the case, so? They have that right, it was collectively bargained.

This cost him millions of dollars on the open market because the deals were there and the loss of a long term deal meant that he was going to have to head into a tighter players' marked the next season.

The teams job is not to look out for the player getting the most moeny he can.

3.) Offer a lowball deal in the year after they franchised him, despite his production remaining essentially the same, because they were going to be "shopping at Walmart" even though Brady had restructured and the money was obviously there to give Welker a fair contract.

Whether it was lowball is debatable. Are you suggesting the team should just play what a player wants and not make decisions based on what is best for the team?
How is giving the same money to a different player, 'shopping at Walmart'?
The Patriots preferred Amendola at 27 to Welker at 32. Most of your voluminous butt hurt posts are because that hurts your feelings. Bill Belichick is a better judge of which player is better for the team to spend that money on that you.

I'm sorry you can't seem to figure out where the "blame" lies. It's been obvious to pretty much everyone that doesn't have his/her head up the Patriots collective skirt. Why people here find it acceptable for the team to screw with its best and most loyal players, instead of rewarding them, is something for the shrinks of the world to deal with.

Actually those with out an agenda don't need to place blame. It was a mutual decision.

 

[Nunchucks]

if welker has a great year, that means decker and thomas will lose touches........that's a win for the opponents

Exactly, do you want to throw a 5 yard crossing route to Welker for a gain of 7 or do you want to throw a deep sideline pass to Thomas for 30+ yards or a deep out to Decker for25 yards?

Welker is useful for that vital 3rd and 5 play, but really, if you want to get down the field in a hurry and score a TD, you are better off throwing to the playmakers, and the Broncos have two very good ones. Taking touches away from those two guys may make their offense worse.

 

[Shockt327]

That is one of the most naive comments I have seen on this board.
First, it is idiotic to adjust a long term contract because the player plays well.
Second, they have never demanded a player reduce his contract without saying they will release them if they do not. There are a grand total of 2 players that come to mind, both wearing #85, where this happened.
You want to run the organization where you give away money you don't have to and don't get out of bad contracts?


You have no clue of their intentions, but even if that were the case, so? They have that right, it was collectively bargained.


The teams job is not to look out for the player getting the most moeny he can.



Whether it was lowball is debatable. Are you suggesting the team should just play what a player wants and not make decisions based on what is best for the team?
How is giving the same money to a different player, 'shopping at Walmart'?
The Patriots preferred Amendola at 27 to Welker at 32. Most of your voluminous butt hurt posts are because that hurts your feelings. Bill Belichick is a better judge of which player is better for the team to spend that money on that you.




Actually those with out an agenda don't need to place blame. It was a mutual decision.

Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who found DI's complaints utterly baffling and ridiculous. The guy is acting as though common procedures in the NFL are illicit or unscrupulous; furthermore, as if NE is the only team who would dare to stoop so low. And what are these acts? Well, using a franchise tag and not re-negotiating (intent or not), or cutting poor players, or not doling out more money to a player for "outplaying" his contract (even when the player isn't asking for it)....or whatever else DI suggested.

Meanwhile, he'll totally ignore Welker over-estimating his asking-price and taking all of the tampering period + 1-2 days of FA to realize how wrong he was....and then signing a deal that wasn't far off from what NE originally offered him (possibly even worse if you look at the structure of it). That's Welker's fault.

 

[Huckleberry1]

When will this factually flawed nugget cease to be thrown about. Both Welker and his agent are sophisticated enough to understand that about 3 of the 6MM in incentives in the Pats deal were easily attainable. The rest needed to attained by having a very good year. Throwing out 2 and 10 chestnut in the hopes that it looks like the Denver deal was better is just disingenuous.
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Agreed, only I would add that while most felt that the $9.3MM Welker got was what he deserved, the Pats knew that they were well overpaying him that year....and did it gladly hoping Wes and his agent would appreciate the gesture.

I'm assuming the 2/20 is a typo and should be 2/10. I think you sensationalize the timeline a bit. I'm sure the Pats repeated their offer, on Tuesday night, and let Wes and agents know that they were going to have to move fast either with him or DA, so unfortunately Wes was put into a position to make an immediate decision.
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This is just crap. The TENN offer was as incentivized as the Pats was, and essentially the same. And the thought that "bad teams" would over pay for a 32 year old slot receiver is just ludicrous. The 3 offers were all Wes had gotten to that point. Denver was by far the best fit other than NE. And why do you ignore that the "$12MM guaranteed" is NOT GUARANTEED. That he is likely to be be either gone next year, or fighting the Bronco's to keep as much of that "guaranteed money" as he can.
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NOT the Patriots' price, but EVERYONE's price. The reality was the easily makeable money was essentially the same in all 3 contracts. In fact only in the Denver Contract was there an out for the team that made it essentially a one year deal, or if you are being generous, a series of 2 one year deals

The fact is that there is a lot better argument that can be made for the fact the Denver contract was by far the worst that Welker could have signed, than can be made in reverse.

BTW- you make a very interesting point about the relationship between Dunn and the Pats, MG. This is going to bear watching, because, I don't recall the exact names,but at one time I saw a list of his Patriots clients, and I remember thinking that it was a long list and had a lot of important players on it.

It's OK, Julian Edelman can "easily replace him," or Amendola for that matter.

 

[skspikex2]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

Are you even an effing patriots fan? Wow...

 

[Huckleberry1]

if welker has a great year, that means decker and thomas will lose touches........that's a win for the opponents

No doubt, Moss and Brady would have had record setting years in 2007 if welker hadn't ruined it for them..............

In fact they may have had 2 or 3 of the most prolific offenses in NFL history if Welker hadn't been here for the last 6 years. He is going to hurt the Broncos so much. Good thing he is in Denver instead of Cleveland..........


If it weren't for really insightful posts like this one I would think i was on a board with a bunch of complete morons.

 

[JackBauer]

Well, this thread has officially jumped the shark.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Welker wake continues ...

If Welker wanted to be here then he would be here ...

If Welker wanted to be here he would have signed a contract last year ...

Welker wanted to get paid which is not the same as wanting to be here ...

Interesting to see how good he really is when nobody is setting picks for him ... we'll see.

Mr . Kraft, is that you? I know you "loved him" and did all you could to keep him a Patriot "for life," even offering him almost as much money as Ochocinco, and we all know he isn't that good. Ocho is big and fast, and his shuttle times were really good, as were his forty splits and madden rating. Thanks for making the big push to keep Welker, future signings should be a breeze when we know the team is going all out to keep those they want the most. Thanks for telling it like it is and not bullsh.ttin us.

 

[Bruins29]

Thanks for telling it like it is and not bullsh.ttin us.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It seems strange to me, given how terrible the team was to Welker and others, that there are still so many players out there like Vollmer and Wilson who jump at the prospect of being a New England Patriot.

I know it, had Welker been willing to take 1.5 million he could have been a Patriot for life.:bricks:

 

[JackBauer]

I know it, had Welker been willing to take 1.5 million he could have been a Patriot for life.:bricks:

I know you apparently can't help yourself, but you realize there's nothing incompatible with Kraft's statement and the number of years that were offered, right?

 

[Bruins29]

I know it, had Welker been willing to take 1.5 million he could have been a Patriot for life.:bricks:

They offered him more than the Broncos did with incentives.

I know you are being sarcastic but sarcasm only works when you have basis for your side of a debate. The Pats made a fair market value.

Some of you are just going to have to get over that.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I know you apparently can't help yourself, but you realize there's nothing incompatible with Kraft's statement and the number of years that were offered, right?

You would have to be either completely gullible or unbelievably dumb to accept Kraft's statements as truthful. "here Wes, take 2 years at less than what we gave Ochocinco, we want you here for life......................."


The patriots offer was this "Thanks for nothing, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. And that is the polite version, the more accurate would be "Hey Wes, GFY."