Welker was never coming to the patriots

[Deus Irae]

If opinion is implied and not a matter of syntax, apply that to your own responses.

You tried to conflate vastly different posts, while I was keeping different lines of discussion separate. The problem was on your end, not mine.

Semantics aside (a.k.a. 'whatever').
You bashed the Patriot FO to a severe and ugly degree in broad yet declarative terms. And I call your post pure and ugly bull! You are speaking out of emotions, being petty yourself, out of your dislike of the WW move (even if it was the wrong move by the FO).

I've said the same thing about the team in the past when they've done the same/similar sort of things with other players, so it's not Welker-centric. I think it's a bad business practice that is done needlessly and may pose a problem when Brady retires, if the team can't find a way to stay on top with his replacement. As for speaking out of emotions, check your mirror.

It's pretty clear that you prefer not to continue in a rational manner, so let's just call it a night.

 

[JoeSixPat]

The agent told EVERYONE that the market for Welker was $8M a year. Welker was offered $7.5M from TENN. Maybe he could have negotiated for $500K more. Perhaps another, weaker, team might have signed him for the same (the agent was under orders to only consider contenders).

So, I suppose everyone would have been fine if Welker signed with TENN for 50% or more above the patriot offer.

How exactly did the agent mis-read the market?

Welker DECIDED/WAS CONVINCED to take a below-market offer from Denver. He gave a discount to a contender not located in New England.

My take is similar to yours - however I'm not surprised or even upset by Welker's move.

I felt there was some clear animosity between he and Belichick over the last few years. Welker and Belichick both artfully glossed over it - but it was there.

Whether it was the benching on the Rex Feet jokes, the lack of a long term contract, lack of appreciation that Welker didn't hold out, benching early in the last season to see if Edelman could play the role - whatever, I think it was eating at Welker and I felt that was going to complicate negotiations.

I just had a gut feeling that if Welker got a comparable offer from another contending team, he was probably going to take it.

In the end, it's true his agent over-estimated his market value.

But in the end I think Welker only had a small handful of teams other than the Patriots in mind - and the fact that he chose the Broncos for less money shows that he's as serious about contending for another Super Bowl as he is driven by money. (i.e. I think if I had to pick a team other than the Patriots I thought would contend next year it would be Denver or the 49ers)

While I understand why Welker may have animosity towards the organization, I don't think the organization treated him unfairly. Although he was running the risk of injury, he was ultimately very well paid by the team.

So I'm not shocked - or angry. In fact I'm pretty intrigued to see how they re-shape the offense - and I have a feeling a three TE offense may wind up being pretty dominant (though I still pine for a true deep threat WR)

 

[IllegalContact]

ok.....all this noise

for a slot WR?

2012 was the first season with the pats where welker did not catch at least 70% of his targets......and it seemed that defenders were getting to him sooner which was leading to more frequent instances of him staggering off the field.

amendola has shown mor ein his first 4 years than welker did in his......if amendola gets 174 targets like welker did last year, I am sure he will do just as well.

donald jones also showed good percentages on his targets

between the 2, welker's production is covered.

but the pats still need someone on the other side

 

[IcyPatriot]

The Welker wake continues ...

If Welker wanted to be here then he would be here ...

If Welker wanted to be here he would have signed a contract last year ...

Welker wanted to get paid which is not the same as wanting to be here ...

Interesting to see how good he really is when nobody is setting picks for him ... we'll see.

 

[wizwor]

If Welker wanted to get paid here, he would have caught that ball.

 

[Ring 6]

You say something enough and people might believe it.

Of course, the reasoning is self-fulfilling. Welker is playing for Denver, so the team didn't want Welker for this year.

Every piece of evidence says that Welker gave the Patriots plenty of chance to sign him, and came back to ask them to match.
They may have wanted him, but he didn't want to stay for the price they were willing to pay.
If they wanted him, he would be here.

 

[Bruins29]

The Welker wake continues ...

.

This is going to go on all year. DA drops a pass, they lose a game, DA has mediocre stats, God forbid gets a hangnail. Its going to be the WW show every week, all day every day 24/7.

The only thing that will keep the WW gang quiet is a 19-0 season with DA putting up 115 for 1600 and 10 TDs. And then we will still hear *****ing about how the FO could have done that every year if they weren't so _____

Worry wart whiners. I mean people are such babies on this forum I called someone a whiner and he cried to the admins here that I insulted him.

p u s s i e s

 

[Bruins29]

If Welker wanted to get paid here, he would have caught that ball.

 

[Triumph]

This is going to go on all year. DA drops a pass, they lose a game, DA has mediocre stats, God forbid gets a hangnail. Its going to be the WW show every week, all day every day 24/7.

The only thing that will keep the WW gang quiet is a 19-0 season with DA putting up 115 for 1600 and 10 TDs. And then we will still hear *****ing about how the FO could have done that every year if they weren't so _____

Worry wart whiners. I mean people are such babies on this forum I called someone a whiner and he cried to the admins here that I insulted him.

p u s s i e s

Youre whining about the whiners.

 

[Bruins29]

Youre whining about the whiners.

And your'e whining about a whiner whining about whiners.

Where does it end?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Wes Welker is a tough guy and a great receiver. For some reason, I have a "gut feeling" that he will get hurt and miss substantial playing time.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

You tried to conflate vastly different posts, while I was keeping different lines of discussion separate. The problem was on your end, not mine.



I've said the same thing about the team in the past when they've done the same/similar sort of things with other players, so it's not Welker-centric. I think it's a bad business practice that is done needlessly and may pose a problem when Brady retires, if the team can't find a way to stay on top with his replacement. As for speaking out of emotions, check your mirror.

It's pretty clear that you prefer not to continue in a rational manner, so let's just call it a night.

Reread you original comments on BB/the FO (completely irrelevant that you have done it before). Now tell me the level of "rational manner" that applies to your post. If you see that as "rational manner" posting? Wow! because it was an ugly lash out questioning more than just competency. It was a tirade that might even make Ron Borges say "wow, that was a bit harsh dude".

Want an example of rational? ""I think it's a bad business practice that is done needlessly and may pose a problem when Brady retires,"" That is rational (whether right or wrong)..... versus trashing the character of arguably the coach/organization of the salary cap era. The organization I root for. The organization that has brought rare and continuing success to the fan base. They are not perfect by any means (see the secondary of the last few years for example) but to get those kind of adjectives thrown at them? I guess I'm un-rational as compared to the example you set........

 

[ausbacker]

Reread you original comments on BB/the FO (completely irrelevant that you have done it before). Now tell me the level of "rational manner" that applies to your post. If you see that as "rational manner" posting? Wow! because it was an ugly lash out questioning more than just competency. It was a tirade that might even make Ron Borges say "wow, that was a bit harsh dude".

Want an example of rational? ""I think it's a bad business practice that is done needlessly and may pose a problem when Brady retires,"" That is rational (whether right or wrong)..... versus trashing the character of arguably the coach/organization of the salary cap era. The organization I root for. The organization that has brought rare and continuing success to the fan base. They are not perfect by any means (see the secondary of the last few years for example) but to get those kind of adjectives thrown at them? I guess I'm un-rational as compared to the example you set........

It's difficult to make a breakthrough when a person refuses to identify the failure in their own logic relating to a particular topic TheBostonStraggler.

I'm rarely offended by anything the Patriots do. Their record affords them that privilege.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

But in the end I think Welker only had a small handful of teams other than the Patriots in mind - and the fact that he chose the Broncos for less money shows that he's as serious about contending for another Super Bowl as he is driven by money. (i.e. I think if I had to pick a team other than the Patriots I thought would contend next year it would be Denver or the 49ers)

Well, he did say that he'd already made more money playing football than he had ever expected to. . . . so it seemed fairly obvious to me that he was more concerned about contending than money.

 

[Brady2Moss]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

:bricks: :bricks: :bricks:

 

[ausbacker]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

So what you're saying is the Patriots shouldn't bother sending players out onto the Grid Iron because they will pick up injuries? Brilliant. I'll cancel my 2013/2014 NFL Gamepass subscription and sleep in Monday mornings.

 

[Brady2Moss]

So what you're saying is the Patriots shouldn't bother sending players out onto the Grid Iron because they will pick up injuries? Brilliant. I'll cancel my 2013/2014 NFL Gamepass subscription and sleep in Monday mornings.

Yup that is what I said.

Maybe you should cancel your Gamepass and spend that time improving your reading comprehension.

Your top 3 targets are Amendola, Hernandez, Gronk all are injury prone to varying extents, Gronk being the least. You cannot go into a season with limited pass catchers and those pass catchers are all likely to miss time. It results in you being caught with your pants down in the playoffs scoring 13 points at home against a defense that wasn't even good this year.

If you think injuries are not a real concern with this group you are clueless.

 

[ausbacker]

Yup that is what I said.

Maybe you should cancel your Gamepass and spend that time improving your reading comprehension.

Your top 3 targets are Amendola, Hernandez, Gronk all are injury prone to varying extents, Gronk being the least. You cannot go into a season with limited pass catchers and those pass catchers are all likely to miss time. It results in you being caught with your pants down in the playoffs scoring 13 points at home against a defense that wasn't even good this year.

If you think injuries are not a real concern with this group you are clueless.

My reading comprehension skills are fine considering your little tantrum in post #75. If you know how to coach and prepare against freak injuries then I'd love to have you on the Patriots Strength and Conditioning staff. You're a serial whinger and not much more.

Every team suffers injuries. It's unfortunate that New England's better players have been those players in the past few seasons.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The people here acting like Amendola is going to magically be healthy make me laugh my ass off. It is going to be fun watching Donald Jones get blanketed by every teams scrub corner and us struggle to move the ball when the tight ends inevitably get hurt.

Fun how? As someone who spends a significant portion of their time rooting for/interacting about the Patriots, how will it be fun watching them fail as you predict? I assume it is because you feel the Patriots should have kept WW but now that he is gone see a fun (sarcasm translation = glee) seeing how right you were? As the Patriots falter and lose? Wow.....