Give me your top 5 QBs

[CheeseMonkeys]

Yup, and so should how much said QB contributed to winning, and how much winning was done is spite of his performance. His record is decent. His completion % is not good. His TD/int. is really not good. His decision making is flat-out awful far more than any other "elite" QB. We saw the "he just wins" argument with Tebow last year, and Vince Young a few years ago, and they were both awful. Now, Eli is better than both of those guys, obviously, but he's never been in the class of Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Not even close.

I have a freind, who's from NY and is a Giants fan. He really thinks Eli is sitting at the top of the pack. :lol2:

 

[NSPF]

What is wrong with factoring in clutch plays and winning?

Gotta ask yourself this honest question. Who is better, Eli or Tony Romo? Statistically it's Romo but do you really want him over Eli?

Is Eli Top 5 statistically as a passer? Of course not. But I think the value of a QB needs to go beyond stats. I hate to make my argument squishy but thats how I view QBs and one with two SB championships and a 8-3 playoff record deserves a little respect.

Which statistic is Romo better in this year? Last time I checked (less than a minute ago) his passer rating was 11 points lower than Eli's. It looks to me like the stats are doing a pretty good job.

 

[Lansdowne]

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Drew Brees
5. Eli Manning

 

[CityOfChampions]

It's amazing the amount of homers on this board

I have no problem with Brady at #1, but for anyone to question me for ranking Peyton above him clearly hasn't followed him this season. Maybe people misunderstood the thread. It isn't about who's greater, but the top 5 QBs in 2012 to this point. Peyton is having an amazing season with great stats and has been more clutch than Brady on the field.

Tom Brady: TDS 16 INT 3 YDS 2,408 RTG 100.6
Good defenses Brady has played: Cardinals, Ravens before their injuries, Seahawks, Rams were ranked 7th, Denver has a good defense.

Peyton Manning: TDS 17 INT 4 YDS 2,113 RTG 109.0
Good defenses Manning has played: Falcons, Texans, Steelers.

Clutch means nothing because Manning had a comeback win against a team that lost to the Cleveland Browns - Brady wouldn't need to have a comeback against the Chargers because he'd put up points throughout the whole game. Not to mention Rivers had 4 interceptions that game that was clutch defenses. I wish Brady could play the Patriots defense and the Saints defense. I wonder what his numbers would be then.

My list:
1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Matt Ryan
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees

I have Brady ahead of Rodgers because playing the same opponent (Seahawks, Rams) Brady put up 10+ more points.

 

[1960Pats]

What is wrong with factoring in clutch plays and winning?

Gotta ask yourself this honest question. Who is better, Eli or Tony Romo? Statistically it's Romo but do you really want him over Eli?

Is Eli Top 5 statistically as a passer? Of course not. But I think the value of a QB needs to go beyond stats. I hate to make my argument squishy but thats how I view QBs and one with two SB championships and a 8-3 playoff record deserves a little respect.

I'm amazed at how little respect people have for Eli Manning. He's made too many clutch plays in big situations to be ignored. I'd rather have him in playoff time than his big brother.

The other thing that amazes me is the lack of respect out there for the Giants team. Right after they won their second SB in four years, all they heard was talk about the way the Pats reacted after the loss and how Gisselle got into it with some fans. They then got to listen to a whole off-season of Jets talk. Now they get to hear about most teams not named the Giants. Tom Coughlin must love it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

he's never been in the class of Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Not even close.

In pure QB no he isn't, yes. In SB titles and playoff winning % he is.

What is your opinion on guys like like Terry Bradshaw, Starr and Aikman?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Which statistic is Romo better in this year? Last time I checked (less than a minute ago) his passer rating was 11 points lower than Eli's. It looks to me like the stats are doing a pretty good job.

Comparing their bodies of work- not just this year. Clearly Romo is having a lesser year.

 

[Fixit]

In pure QB no he isn't, yes. In SB titles and playoff winning % he is.

What is your opinion on guys like like Terry Bradshaw, Starr and Aikman?

You're working awful hard to cherry-pick why Eli's an all-time great QB. He's not, and never will be. His playoff success is inexplicable, and due more to his d-line going nuts and crazy break after crazy break, not his prowess.

Didn't watch Starr or Bradshaw play, but don't get me started on how overrated Aikman is. I find it odd that you're basing Eli being a great QB solely on playoffs, without mentioning how many times he's missed the playoffs because he was lousy during the season. At any rate, if that's your criteria, you absolutely have to place Roethlisberger above Eli. Same number of rings and, without looking, I bet his postseason stats are better, too.

One last thing: Using your playoffs-only criteria, Trent Dilfer is in Peyton Manning's class.

 

[Fball]

You're working awful hard to cherry-pick why Eli's an all-time great QB. He's not, and never will be. His playoff success is inexplicable, and due more to his d-line going nuts and crazy break after crazy break, not his prowess.

People used to say the same thing about Brady.

One or 2 games might be a fluke. Eli has done it too consistently; he's a money QB.

 

[borg]

My "This year" list

1) Rodgers.....no running game, missing his #1 WR......suspect D. It's his show and he is delivering
2) Eli Manning....besides top shelf Cruz, he has a gimpy Nicks, below ave. TE......and delivers with games on the line
3) Peyton Manning...despite his wobbly balls, he is getting a lot out of an ave. receiving corps.
4) Tom Brady.....easily the best weaponary in the league....so yes....Brady should be All World. His brain cramp tendencies seem to appear at the worst times (Seattle groundings) and the of course that awful Super Bowl bomb to Gronk still doesn't sit well
5) Who cares....Brees is a self important D*****

As you can see I am respecting the downfield passers more because it is more difficult and Brady's numbers downfield don't compare

 

[Fixit]

People used to say the same thing about Brady.

One or 2 games might be a fluke. Eli has done it too consistently; he's a money QB.

No, they didn't. They said things like "system QB" because they couldn't attack his numbers. Again, not looking, but I'd say that Brady's worst season is better than Eli's best. Brady had no miracle helmet catches. The worst thing people can say about Brady in the playoff is whine about a call that was correct.

As far as your second paragraph, you might be surprised who has the best winning % when it comes to 4th quarter comeback opportunities: Best and Worst Quarterback Records in the Clutch Adjusted For Strength of Schedule He's had some great ones (a couple on the biggest stage, one of which he did everything he could to turn the ball over), and he's flamed out a lot. Eli's mythical comeback powers are just that ... a myth.

 

[Fixit]

My "This year" list

1) Rodgers.....no running game, missing his #1 WR......suspect D. It's his show and he is delivering
2) Eli Manning....besides top shelf Cruz, he has a gimpy Nicks, below ave. TE......and delivers with games on the line
3) Peyton Manning...despite his wobbly balls, he is getting a lot out of an ave. receiving corps.
4) Tom Brady.....easily the best weaponary in the league....so yes....Brady should be All World. His brain cramp tendencies seem to appear at the worst times (Seattle groundings) and the of course that awful Super Bowl bomb to Gronk still doesn't sit well
5) Who cares....Brees is a self important D*****

As you can see I am respecting the downfield passers more because it is more difficult and Brady's numbers downfield don't compare

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[Armchair Quarterback]

You're working awful hard to cherry-pick why Eli's an all-time great QB. He's not, and never will be. His playoff success is inexplicable, and due more to his d-line going nuts and crazy break after crazy break, not his prowess.

Didn't watch Starr or Bradshaw play, but don't get me started on how overrated Aikman is. I find it odd that you're basing Eli being a great QB solely on playoffs, without mentioning how many times he's missed the playoffs because he was lousy during the season. At any rate, if that's your criteria, you absolutely have to place Roethlisberger above Eli. Same number of rings and, without looking, I bet his postseason stats are better, too.

One last thing: Using your playoffs-only criteria, Trent Dilfer is in Peyton Manning's class.

Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History


Tom Brady 129-38 regular season record 316 TD 118 int

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 2001 (3-0), 2003 (3-0), 2004 (3-0), 2005 (1-1), 2006 (2-1), 2007 (2-1), 2009 (0-1), 2010 (0-1), 2011 (2-1)
Playoff Comebacks: 2001 (1),2003 (1),2006 (1)
Playoff Game-Winning Drives: 2001 (2),2003 (2),2004 (1),2006 (1)

Roethlisberger 84-36 regular season record 179 TD 103 INT

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 2004 (1-1), 2005 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (3-0), 2010 (2-1), 2011 (0-1)
Playoff Comebacks: 2004 (1),2008 (1)
Playoff Game-Winning Drives: 2004 (1),2008 (1),2010 (1)

E.Manning 75-53 regular season record 197 TD 137 INT

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 2005 (0-1), 2006 (0-1), 2007 (4-0), 2008 (0-1), 2011 (4-0)
Playoff Comebacks: 2007 (2)
Playoff Game-Winning Drives: 2007 (3)

The arguments to pump up Eli are getting more empty and baseless.

 

[Fixit]

Ho-hum, another signature brilliant Eli comeb ---

No, wait, he was horrid. Weird.

 

[NSPF]

Eli supporters, what do you say in his defense of his performance today? The Giants even had a chance to win it at the end, and failed spectatularly. For that matter, what do you say in defense of his loss against the Eagles where a horrible decision resulting in an offensive pass interference pretty much cost them the game? Or any of the (at least) three games the Giants lost last year when their offense was on the field with a chance to win or tie?

EDIT: Analysts are saying his performance today was a result of Hurricane Sandy.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Peyton racked up most of his stats against terrible defenses (Raiders, Saints, Pats(secondary)).

I'm not sure what to make of the steelers defense considering it hasn't been the same this year with all the injuries and whatnot but he played well against them and the Chargers so some credit there.

1a. Brady
1b. Rodgers
3. Peyton
4. Eli
5. Ryan

1 - Rodgers (mobility is what puts him #1)
2 - Brady
3 - Peyton
4 - Eli
5 - Roethlisberger

Matt Ryan doesn't make the list. Has yet to win anything and has a track record of playing small in big games

 

[TinhWoodhead]

1 - Rodgers (mobility is what puts him #1)
2 - Brady
3 - Peyton
4 - Eli
5 - Roethlisberger

Matt Ryan doesn't make the list. Has yet to win anything and has a track record of playing small in big games

I thought this list is for this year....?

 

[Haley]

I don't understand how anyone can have Eli on their list. His stats so far this year just aren't that good.

In my opinion, and in no particular order, these are the top 5 so far this year:

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Ben Roethlisberger

And personally, I'd probably ding Manning a bit for importing his system. People call TFB a system QB, but Tom learns a new system periodically. Peyton dictates the system and everyone else has to learn it his way.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I thought this list is for this year....?

If it's for this year then everyone needs to reconsider their lists.

2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

 

[SHOWTIME15]

there are only 3 elite qbs: brady, rogers, brees.

eli and ben are tier 2 qbs along with rivers, schaub, ryan, etc.