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This Eli thing is driving me bat**** crazy.
 
I think Peyton has performed slightly better than Brady this season. He has slightly better numbers and he's been clutch at times. Not to say Brady hasn't been clutch but I give the edge to Manning at this point. Also Manning has come into a new system on a new team after a major injury. I give him props to perform at such a high level right now.

Manning came into a new system? They run the exact same offense the Colts did, in regards to the passing game.
 
Manning came into a new system? They run the exact same offense the Colts did, in regards to the passing game.

Except he is no longer indoors. I've always been a Manning skeptic but he has sold me. He is impressive. Might be the best ever.
 
1. Wilson
2. Flacco
3. Colb
4. Brady
5. Fitzpatrick

 
1 - brady

2 - eli

3 - peyton

4 - rodgers

5 -????.....big ben
 
well they say you always judge by Super Bowl wins....
Dan Marino was perhaps the best ever and he never won a SB. There is clearly something missing in "the they's" logic. A SB title is about the team first, and the QB second. QBs don't win SBs the way tennis players win championships. That's why Marino never won one and why Elway lost three in a row before breaking through. Elway's history should teach any student of the game that it takes a team to win the SB. Counting SB wins and assigning them to a QB is kind of insulting to his OL and receivers and defense and ST, don't you think? Especially when the ST guy named Adam could have won a couple of them with walk off kicks?

More recently I think Kurt Warner was far better than his SB record. Peyton too. Steve Young too, obviously. Going back a way Fran Tarkenton was a superior QB setting almost every passing record in existence but he never won a SB. Team collapses we know about now. They've happened to us twice recently and it's about time people realize that "Tom" didn't win 3 SBs while the team lost two. The teams won all three and lost both.
 
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This Eli thing is driving me bat**** crazy.

I agree.

It's a media creation. He digs himself into a hole and then he gets Sergio Brown running into the receiver, no deep safeties last week, a Redskin turnover after he threw one himself with the game on the line, that ******* Tyree catch, hell that Manningham catch. His seemingly never ending string of simpleton dumb luck will soon run out and he'll be Drew Bledsoe again.

Brady's record 2010- present:
W 32 L 8 11543 yards 91 TD 19 INT higher completion %, QB rating

Manning during the same period:
W 25 L 15 11236 yards 72 TD 49 INT

Take away one Wes Welker drop and one Mario Manningham catch and it's not even close. 30 more picks in the last 2 1/2 years. That's ridiculous.




1. Brady
2. Everybody else
 
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1. Brady
2. P. Man
3. Brees
4. Eli Man
5. Rodgers
 
I've been saying this from the start of the season, and I hate saying it, but Eli Manning is now the best QB in football, he is incredibly clutch. And that game against SF in the NFCG (I know SF gift wrapped it with 2 ST fumbles), I've never seen a QB get beat up so much without being rattled. Sure other QBs have been beaten up more, but they usually crumble. They may call Ryan Matty Ice, but what Eli has done in the clutch, he truly has ice water in his veins. He is Tom Brady circa 2003. My List

1) Eli Manning
2) Rodgers
3) TFB
4) Brees
5) Peyton Manning

I wish Tommy was number one.

He kind of did crumble in that game. His overall numbers in that game were good but the last 5 drives with the game on the line he wasn't able to do anything. There are plenty of examples of his clutchness but I can never understand how people pick that game.
 
There's Tom Brady and then everyone else
 
I seem to be doing this a lot with friends... But here's my top 5 in order:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Matt Ryan

You picked Manning over Brady??!

Like Stephen A. Smith at ESPN would say: This is blasphemous!!

Throw this guy in the river.
 
It's amazing the amount of homers on this board

I have no problem with Brady at #1, but for anyone to question me for ranking Peyton above him clearly hasn't followed him this season. Maybe people misunderstood the thread. It isn't about who's greater, but the top 5 QBs in 2012 to this point. Peyton is having an amazing season with great stats and has been more clutch than Brady on the field.
 
It's amazing the amount of homers on this board

I have no problem with Brady at #1, but for anyone to question me for ranking Peyton above him clearly hasn't followed him this season. Maybe people misunderstood the thread. It isn't about who's greater, but the top 5 QBs in 2012 to this point. Peyton is having an amazing season with great stats and has been more clutch than Brady on the field.

Peyton singlehandledly lost the Atlanta game, Brady has not lost us any games, and he led a 4th quarter comeback and overtime win against the Jets.
 
It's amazing the amount of homers on this board

I have no problem with Brady at #1, but for anyone to question me for ranking Peyton above him clearly hasn't followed him this season. Maybe people misunderstood the thread. It isn't about who's greater, but the top 5 QBs in 2012 to this point. Peyton is having an amazing season with great stats and has been more clutch than Brady on the field.

I'm kind of wondering if you've objectively watched Brady this season. Other than a few series here and there he has been otherworldly. What Peyton has done this year has been pretty incredible for his injury and is still a top flight quarterback, but he still isn't fully recovered from his injury and isn't at the same level as a Rodger or Brady yet this year. I think you are trying too hard to be objective and take for granted what you have here.
 
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It's amazing the amount of homers on this board

I have no problem with Brady at #1, but for anyone to question me for ranking Peyton above him clearly hasn't followed him this season. Maybe people misunderstood the thread. It isn't about who's greater, but the top 5 QBs in 2012 to this point. Peyton is having an amazing season with great stats and has been more clutch than Brady on the field.

Explain to me how Manning has been 'clutch' when his team has lost each game decided by 10 or fewer points.

Or is it the fact that he is 1-3 against teams with winning records and beaten up on crappy teams that makes him clutch?
 
I think Peyton has performed slightly better than Brady this season. He has slightly better numbers and he's been clutch at times. Not to say Brady hasn't been clutch but I give the edge to Manning at this point. Also Manning has come into a new system on a new team after a major injury. I give him props to perform at such a high level right now.

Manning has not been clutch, so making that up doesnt help your argument.
What does coming into a new system or coming off an injury have to do with judging who played better. It sounds like you are saying you know you are wrong but want to put Manning ahead so you add a few excuses to tilt the playing field.
Every statement in this post hurts your argument rather than helping it.
 
Manning has not been clutch, so making that up doesnt help your argument.
What does coming into a new system or coming off an injury have to do with judging who played better. It sounds like you are saying you know you are wrong but want to put Manning ahead so you add a few excuses to tilt the playing field.
Every statement in this post hurts your argument rather than helping it.

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The funny thing is that, I'm not even in the minority thinking that Manning has out-preformed Brady this season. But on homerville Patsfans, of course I am the minority.

1. Manning has been clutch
2. Coming off an injury/ coming into a new team isn't easy (as seen with many players in the past in all sports) but when these things happen and you perform at a high level, I find it very impressive

I don't get how you think "I know that I'm wrong but just want to put Manning ahead". Why they hell would I want to do that? :confused3:
 
1. Brady
I don't feel like this requires justification.​
2. Rodgers
Might put him at number one if I was the fan of another team. I don't feel like he needs justification either. Absolutely dominant the last few years.​
3. Peyton Manning
I cannot believe how well he's playing. I thought he would decline this year, but he's playing as well as ever.​
4. Drew Brees
A lot of people are down on him because the Saints are 2-5. Here's some simple statistics: Saints rushing ypg: 72.6 (32nd in league). Saints defensive ypg: (474.7, last in the league. Next closest is 424). Saints passing ypg: 316.0 (1st in league). You're insane if you think Brees has anything to do with the Saints' troubles. He's still putting up very good numbers, and is on pace for another 5000 yard season.​
5. Ben Roethlisberger
He's an excellent quarterback that is more than capable of carrying a team, but I've never really seen him as a guy that dominates a game the same way guys like Brady do. There are never those times when he seems otherworldy and truly unstoppable. On the other hand, there are also hardly ever times when you wish for someone else. I still think he's a tier below the other four however.​

Honorable Mention

Matt Ryan
Has really put it together this year. Has everything you want: good decision maker, accurate, strong arm, good pocket presence. Why isn't he in the top 5? I don't know, the two typical excuses are that he hasn't done it for as long, and he hasn't had a ton of success in the playoffs. So I'll go with those.​
Eli Manning
Everyone loves a winner, but as a bitter Pats fan I'm not buying it. Up until the 2007 post season, he looked like a bust. In his first four seasons his highest season long passer rating was 75.9. He played well that post season, and one miracle helmet catch later was a Super Bowl champion. The next year it looked like he improved, until it came playoff time of course, where he managed a poor 40.7 passer rating. The next two years he failed to lead his team to the post season. Then before the 2011 season he declared himself elite, to the laughter of the rest of the NFL. The Giants spent much of the year playing from behind, which led to several celebrated 4th quarter comebacks, as well as a surprisingly large number of failures on potential game-winning drives.

The following post season we all know what happened. He played very well against the Falcons (20th in pass defense) and Packers (32nd in pass defense), moderately well against a tough 49ers defense (16th in pass defense), and very well against a very poor Patriots secondary (31st in pass defense), including a last minute touchdown. At a glance his numbers look impressive, and he beat some very good football teams, but looking back, he was not exactly playing against all-world pass defenses. Nevertheless, with 2 Super Bowls he could finally claim to be elite despite his mostly average statistics and win percentage without being laughed out of the building.

Now it's halfway through 2012, and he's led the Gaints to a mark of 29 ppg (3rd in the league), but nevertheless seems to be allergic to having elite stats. Normally a quarterback in such a situation would be called a "system QB" or something similar, but largely because of a couple of miracle catches in Super Bowls he is instead called "clutch". A couple of weeks ago against the Eagles he was able to show how "clutch" he was by throwing a 77 yard touchdown to a wide open Victor Cruz. He tried to show how clutch he was against the Eagles earlier in the season, but instead went 1/6 passing for 9 yards on the Giants' final drives, with a couple of questionable pass interferences along the way. The Giants somehow managed to get well within field goal range. Eli then did his best to throw an interception to Nnamdi Asomugha, but his receiver thought this was a bad idea and committed offensive pass interference to prevent it, much to the chagrin of kicker Lawrence Tynes. The Giants then lost the game on a missed 54-yard field goal. It was then explained that Eli did his best to put them in field goal range, and as such he did not actually fail at being clutch. Meanwhile, Patriots kicker Stephan Gostowski missed a 42-yard game-winning field goal (he missed by approximately 42 yards to the left) against the Arizona Cardinals and Patriots QB Tom Brady was shortly thereafter declared not-clutch.

Manning supporters claim that he is hands down the most clutch quarterback in the league, pointing to the fact that he leads the league in 4th-quarter comebacks over the last couple of years. Critics point out the fact that it turns out that this is not actually that good of a strategy for winning football games, citing the Giants' 9-7 record last year, a record that is notable for not being good enough to make the playoffs almost ever. Supporters counter by saying that he is in fact a "clutch post season QB." Critics then are then left to wonder why Eli Manning evidently waits until Christmas to study his playbook, and grumble something about "sample size."

Anyway, the point is, no no no no Eli Manning is not an elite QB and he never ever will be. He wasn't elite in 2007, he wasn't elite in 2011, he wasn't elite any other year, and he's not elite now. I don't care if he put up good passing numbers against bad pass defenses last post season, I don't care if some excellent defense and a helmet catch helped him beat the Patriots in 2007, and I certainly don't care that "Eli Manning’s play recognition set up Victor Cruz’s game-winning TD". The fact of the matter is that he is currently the most overrated player in the NFL, and that's why he's not in my top 5. So Eli, if you want to be break my top 5 (note: Eli probably doesn't care about my top 5) do what every other elite quarterback in the history of the NFL has done and win a higher percentage of your games, and put up some stats that at least vaguely suggest that you might be better than just good.

Well, this accidentally turned into a rant about Eli Manning, but nothing gets me angrier than people claiming Eli Manning is "the best quarterback in the NFL" when he's not even actually as good as advertised at winning close games. First Philly game this year, Steelers, Niners, and Eagles games last year, even his supposed "clutch" Redskin game this year where he threw an absolutely pathetic interception with 5 or so minutes left, was nobody watching any of those?!? Seriously, find me an elite quarterback who has LOST more games in 2-minute drills than Eli Manning in the last couple of years. You know what? I bet you can't, because Eli has lost almost as many games in that situation as most of them have lost at all.
 
In terms of their actual play.

1) Rogers
2) Brady
3) Brees
4) Peyton
5) Big Ben

The top three if anything are underrated relative to their stat lines. Brees in particular

Also Anyone who puts Eli up there isn't watching correctly. His throws aren't anywhere near as accurate as the top four consistently, the clutch thing is more about how good his receivers and line is, and he just isn't in that elite group despite having more weapons. He is the 2010 Vick.

Peyton otoh is slightly overrated by his stats. A lot of his throws are wobbly and off, and his arm does have question marks. Of course he still reads defenses better than any QB out there, and the fact that he is still so good after an injury is a major factor. But anyone who would take this version of him over the top three is loony.
 
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