Week 6 at Seattle Seahawks.... piece of cake, right?

[dizi24]

Seattles D has faced one threat this year...GB..and they are struggling like no tomorrow this year. Big test for them going up against NE. I say we score 27-30 ish..them with no passing game...17. No passing game is going to hurt them against the pats D..they will be playing right into the pats strengths

Except GB, they haven't faced one offense ranked in the top 2/3rds of the league. Between Arizona, Carolina, and Dallas, they have played some pretty bad offenses. They played well against GB, but they really need to prove that wasn't more than a fluke.

 

[pherein]

Originally Posted by ausbacker
I don't deny the Seahawks have an excellent D and a very good run defense but Seattle has played the following teams -

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Average Rank
Arizona 63 yards 31
Dallas 68 yards 29
Green Bay 95 yards 20
St.Louis 94 yards 22
Carolina 114 yards 14
The Seahawks haven't been facing elite run units. I understand they are capable of shutting down an O, thus my comment about seeing the Seattle DL vs the Patriots OL. It should be engaging.

Only 5 games in, you can easily make the argument that those teams' averages are down BECAUSE 20% of that number is attributed to a game vs the Seahawks.

That is a mute point, because it goes both ways, like my nieces daughter .
The fact is they stand where they stand, and I can tell you Carolina is worse than we are.

 

[JMC00]

GB and Carolina's running games could even be considered worse than that because they are inflated because Rodgers and Newton run.

 

[italia44]

Thanks in advance for the intelligent conversation of the board.

As evident from my name, I am a Seahawk fan, however I try to be as unbiased as humanly possible, and first and foremost love football and the strategy behind it. It is with that in mind that I come to try to give a unbiased Seahawks Scouting Report.

First off, I love the enthusiam from both sides, I love it when both sides know there team is going to win. It makes the work week far more tolerable. I won't get into my prediction until the end but know that it won't be +7 for either team. This one is going to be close.

On Offense.
Marshawn Lynch, is not the same RB you saw twice a year in Buffalo two years ago. Statisically he is the best Rb in the league since week 9 of last season. Robert Turbin is a great backup. He is phyiscal. This isn't a typical thunder and lightning combo. Its more of a thunder and then some more thunder combo. Seattle we run the ball early and often. They don't break from this gameplan. Teams have been stacking boxes all season with limited sucess.

The Seattle offensive line is a mixed bag. Okung (LT) to put it nicely is shizoprenic. Looks good one week, bad the next, is dominant in the run then gets pushed around. The remainer of the of oline Carpenter, Unger, Moffitt/Sweezy and Giacomini are the definition of roadgraters, they are weak in pass pro. But can and will move a pile. The key for NE is to force 3 and +6. Seattle is the type of team that has to stay ahead of the sticks on offense.

Russell Wilson is hard to diagnose. I have read on this board that he turns the ball over alot, don't read to much into it. True, he has 7 ints, but 3 were from WRs dropping the ball, 1 was caused by the TE falling down on a cut, 1 was from a hit in the pocket that caused the ball to go straight up in the air, and one was from a hail mary at the end of the half. He is not making many mistakes. They haven't "let him lose" yet, and I doubt this is the game they do. He is gaining confidence in his recieving core, I think that has alot of fans in Seattle optimisic.

Pete Carrolls Gameplan has been vanilla. His gameplan continues to be don't turn over the ball, control the clock, let the defense put us in position to win the game. I suspect that won't change this week.

The defense.
This is where I think the game will be won or lost.
Defensive Line. Seattle utlizes 2 line packages, on early run downs you will see Bryant, Mebane, Branch, Clemons. This is basically is a hybrid 3-4 line with a DE(bryant) at 330lbs. It is a very difficult line to run againist, expecially to bryants side. He is a earth mover, and is great at swallowing up running games. Running outside has been alittle more succesfull however, as I will get to, the Seattle corners are big, tough to block and excellent tacklers.
On passing downs, Seattle utilizes a package similar to the Giants NASCAR package. Clemons, Jones, McDonald, and Irvin. It is a small line but incredibly fast. Seattle doesn't blitz often and counts on its front four to get to the pass rusher. The goal for NE is to stay unpredictable. Run on 3 and long, and utlize short passing plays on 1st and 2nd down. This defense line is for real, the Pats cannot play into their strengths.

The LB core is fast and like to hit and tackle well, but can get lost in coverage at times. Expect Wagner and Wright to be responsible for Gronk in one on one coverage. I am not one that believes Gronk will be a not factor, (if healthly) However, Seattle has the atheletes to help limit him from a break out game.

The Secondary is the strength of the team. They are arguably the best in the NFL. Browner and Sherman are huge (6'4" and 6'3" respectively) they swallow up recievers in press coverage. They aren't burners and can be beaten deep. Thomas and Chancellor are polar opposites at the safety position. Thomas is small and fast, he will play centerfield all day, but is still good and run support. Chancellor is a big bruiser (6'4" 240lbs) He can be suspect to cover 2 at times. His strength is under zone coverage, and covering athletic TE's.

I hope that sheds some light on who you are playing this weekend and what to look for.

As for a prediction, Carrolls ideal would be 17-17 with 2:00 mins to go, and Seattle with the ball, that is the way his is game planning this season to protect his young offense.

The defense is good enough to get there. The offense struggles on 3rd down, and I can't over look that, not yet anyway. Pats 20- Seahawks- 16

Nice write-up.....I don't think the pats will win in a low scoring game.Other seahawk fans have emphasized the size and speed of Seattle's safeties and cornerbacks and the match-up problems,they present for opposition offenses.

The problem is...The patriots offense really don't care about individual match-ups....they only care about "the scheme".

The pats are currently running,what I call,an "interior" scheme.......Inside runs,shallow crosses and short slants.What they are trying to do is "compress" the defense......Big safeties and and Cb/Nb's are great in 2-deep zone...When you bring them up and make them cover Welker,Hernandez and Woodhead and the Patriot running backs,they become "small" linebackers.

This is .....not so great.You can play "man" coverage on the wideouts and press them,but,essentially the pats don't care.....They can spend a whole game and not throw a pass longer than 10 yds to a wideout.We will slant wr's,rb's and Te's,until you're sick of it.

What Brady and the offense is looking for is not setting up a long bomb to a wr,but,the deep seam route to Welker or the Te's.The glory of the Patriot's hurry-up is in it's patience....This may seem like a paradox,but it really isn't.The match-up nightmare comes when the defense,just does not have the time to adjust their personnel in time.

All this motion and spread offense is really designed not for a big mistake by the defense,just a little bit of confusion and hesitation.The patriots are tremendous at yards after contact.....go for the big hit on Welker,Gronkowski and little woody,at your peril.

 

[Double TE]

Whats Bill's record vs. rookie QBs?

 

[italia44]

Whats Bill's record vs. rookie QBs?

Irrelevant....just sayin'

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Whats Bill's record vs. rookie QBs?

would like to know this as well

 

[ausbacker]

Only 5 games in, you can easily make the argument that those teams' averages are down BECAUSE 20% of that number is attributed to a game vs the Seahawks.

I'll be sure to fax Belichick the memo to rush away from Red Bryant and target Clemons and Irvin.

 

[BlueTalon]

Pats come into this matchup with one of the hottest run offenses in the NFL. Yes believe it or not the Pats have a running attack that has rolled up over 200 yards in consecutive games. If the Pats can continue this trend the Seahawks will have a tough time keying to stop the pass because they must respect the run.

That trend will not continue.

 

[nekromantique]

DL is pretty good, Mebane our big guy in the middle has been arguably our best player this season, him combined with Red Bryant (a guy you guys wanted this off season I believe) make us very difficult to run on, at least through the middle.

definately would have liked red myself. wouldve given then pats more scheme versatility imo.
thankfully the pats don't run up the middle much. most of their stuff seems to go between the guard and tackle or just off tackle. solder really looks good in that regard. I'm not worried about wilfork on the guard because wilfork always does what wilfork does. he isnt a rusher...never has been. if he can draw a double team and help stop lynch then I'm happy. lynch is the biggest concern to me...even if the pats secondary has issues.




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[pherein]

That trend will not continue.

I tend to agree, but your teams trend has a much greater chance of not continuing. There is no history to suggest a dominate team in seattle, and Im not buying that pete carroll is close to a BB or SP. I don't think anyone sees carroll as building some amazing dynasty. Thats just reality. Hes not a team changer, or brilliant at anything. But I guess we will see.

 

[BlueTalon]

I tend to agree, but your teams trend has a much greater chance of not continuing. There is no history to suggest a dominate team in seattle, and Im not buying that pete carroll is close to a BB or SP. I don't think anyone sees carroll as building some amazing dynasty. Thats just reality. Hes not a team changer, or brilliant at anything. But I guess we will see.

Who said anything about dynasty? What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have built is a helluva good defense, one that I seriously doubt anybody is going to run on for 200+ yards.

If you think our trend of holding teams below 100 yards of rushing has "a much greater chance of not continuing" than your recent trend of rushing for over 200 yards per game, then... well, let's just say that Seahawks fans do not hold a monopoly on being delusional.

 

[ausbacker]

Who said anything about dynasty? What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have built is a helluva good defense, one that I seriously doubt anybody is going to run on for 200+ yards.

If you think our trend of holding teams below 100 yards of rushing has "a much greater chance of not continuing" than your recent trend of rushing for over 200 yards per game, then... well, let's just say that Seahawks fans do not hold a monopoly on being delusional.

What numbers would you consider reasonable for the Seahawks Defense to concede to the Patriots Offense?

 

[Froob]

Whats Bill's record vs. rookie QBs?

Seems like pats win most of those games but damn those young qbs have hurt them. I really can't see Russell Wilson doing enough to win this one. Going to need Lynch to go HAM or seahawks to come up with a big turnover or special team play. Both they are capable of, I'm sure you guys haven't forgotten about Leon Washington. In the end I'll take Pats 23-16

 

[pherein]

Who said anything about dynasty? What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have built is a helluva good defense, one that I seriously doubt anybody is going to run on for 200+ yards.

You base this off 4 games, interesting. I guess your defense has it all figured out now and will remain in the top #10 for years to come.
I think you will have ups and downs.

If you think our trend of holding teams below 100 yards of rushing has "a much greater chance of not continuing" than your recent trend of rushing for over 200 yards per game, then... well, let's just say that Seahawks fans do not hold a monopoly on being delusional

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I agree, I think SeaHawk fans are very delusional. Not trying to be rude. But walking into NE and talking how your going to manhandle a team with 12 years of brilliant coaching and proven record, is pretty delusional. When we played them we were scared *****less, as any normal fan should be.
But we respectfully explained a trend from 2006-2009 of good ball playing and coaching, before we played them. Your going to walk in here , with out a reference? No coaching or player history ,and base all opinion on 4 games against, not the best opponents . Ok, have fun with that.

 

[Sciz]

Whats Bill's record vs. rookie QBs?

11-3, 2-2 in the last four. Of course, those two losses by the Pats were when they scored 9 and 14 points, so there were bigger problems than slowing down the rookie QB.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

11-3? wow

12-3 after sunday

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I would think that we want Russell to play all game rather than see Flynn in there.

When with GB,Flynn had a chance to shock the Pats at Gillette as a rookie QB but Connolly and his 71 yard run seemed to be a game changing moment.

We don't want Flynn over Russell....trust me.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I would think that we want Russell to play all game rather than see Flynn in there.

When with GB,Flynn had a chance to shock the Pats at Gillette as a rookie QB but Connolly and his 71 yard run seemed to be a game changing moment.

We don't want Flynn over Russell....trust me.

GB has much better WRs than Seattle does...so i wouldn't mind flynn at all.

 

[Joker]

Nice write-up.....I don't think the pats will win in a low scoring game.Other seahawk fans have emphasized the size and speed of Seattle's safeties and cornerbacks and the match-up problems,they present for opposition offenses.

The problem is...The patriots offense really don't care about individual match-ups....they only care about "the scheme".

The pats are currently running,what I call,an "interior" scheme.......Inside runs,shallow crosses and short slants.What they are trying to do is "compress" the defense......Big safeties and and Cb/Nb's are great in 2-deep zone...When you bring them up and make them cover Welker,Hernandez and Woodhead and the Patriot running backs,they become "small" linebackers.

This is .....not so great.You can play "man" coverage on the wideouts and press them,but,essentially the pats don't care.....They can spend a whole game and not throw a pass longer than 10 yds to a wideout.We will slant wr's,rb's and Te's,until you're sick of it.

What Brady and the offense is looking for is not setting up a long bomb to a wr,but,the deep seam route to Welker or the Te's.The glory of the Patriot's hurry-up is in it's patience....This may seem like a paradox,but it really isn't.The match-up nightmare comes when the defense,just does not have the time to adjust their personnel in time.

All this motion and spread offense is really designed not for a big mistake by the defense,just a little bit of confusion and hesitation.The patriots are tremendous at yards after contact.....go for the big hit on Welker,Gronkowski and little woody,at your peril.

I KNEW there was a reason I love you man....jeezus...nice 5 run homer...world class..