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As a Brit with no connection to the US aside for from being Britains biggest Americanophile, I have no reason to like one college team over another. It makes watching CFB and enjoyably unpartisan affair. However, having watched Alabama last night, just as I did last year, I really enjoy watching their professionalism. They are the Patriots of CFB.

Which brings me on to Dee Milliner. What an exceptional shut down performance. Based on last nights performance, if he isn't the first CB taken on draft day, I'd be amazed and that includes Amerson. Milliner is not as flashy as Dre Kirkpatrick was but he's a whole lot more reliable. A top 15 pick at worst as things stand I reckon, probably top 10.
 
Walter Footnall not feeling it for Margus Hunt:

Hunt was a complete non-factor versus Baylor. SMU had him playing contain on the edge on a lot of passing plays, but when he did rush the quarterback he didn't pressure the signal caller. Hunt is all power and doesn't have a repertoire of pass rushing moves. He needs to get a lot of coaching at the next level to upgrade his pass rush.

In the third quarter Hunt got in on a tackle as a running back ran right into Hunt and his blocker. On the next play Hunt jumped offsides, but the penalty was declined. In general, Hunt held his ground well at the point of attack in run defense. The offensive line couldn't push him around, but Hunt wasn't disengaging and getting in on tackles.

For the NFL, Hunt is a developmental project. He has a nice skill set, but doesn't really look like he knows what he is doing on the field. He doesn't appear to understand how to attack offensive tackles and how he can fight off their blocks.

It isn't surprising that Hunt is raw. He's only been playing football for three years after coming from Estonia. The 6-foot-8, 320-pound Hunt looks like a better fit as a 3-4 defensive end. He has the length and power to set the edge. He could do the job of occupying tackles to free up outside linebackers. Right now he doesn't have the natural pass rushing skills to be an end in a 4-3 defense.

Entering the season Hunt was viewed as a second-day pick, but that is clearly based on his potential. He needs a lot of work in order to be a competitor against NFL offensive tackles. Some teams may draft Hunt early because of his freak special teams prowess. He has 14 career blocked kicks (nine field goals) and set an NCAA record with seven blocked kicks as a freshman in 2009. As a defensive player he looked like a third-day pick against Baylor.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft: College Football Game Recaps - Week 1

I have to say, I watched him against TAMU from last year and he was a non-factor there too. Starting to wonder whether he's a big fish in a little pond when playing teams like Pittsburgh that is found out when up against better opposition.
 
Walter Footnall not feeling it for Margus Hunt:

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft: College Football Game Recaps - Week 1

I have to say, I watched him against TAMU from last year and he was a non-factor there too. Starting to wonder whether he's a big fish in a little pond when playing teams like Pittsburgh that is found out when up against better opposition.

I don't know the answer to that. I've taken Hunt off my mock drafts for the Pats for now, for a couple of reasons:

1. His freakish athleticism may make him go higher than his play warrants.
2. He is fairly new to the game and still raw.
3. He will turn 26 next summer.
4. SMU's competition isn't always the best.

Add those things up and I can't see BB using a 1st round pick on him. Later, maybe, but not top 40, which is where many people are projecting him. So while I'm still intrigued, I'm currently waiting to see how he does this year.

I note that the Walter Football article referred to Hunt as being 6'8" and 320#. I'm not sure if that's a type. Hunt supposedly bulked up from around 280# to around 295# last year. Playing at 320# would drastically change his game.
 
What do people think about me collating all the prospect videos I can in a separate thread(s)? I was thinking about having a separate thread for each position. i'm happy to do the work putting it together.

Also, rather than just having a link to a video, is it possible to embed videos in this forum?
 
NE Patriots' Draft scouting notes on prospects from the Alabama vs. Michigan game:

#65 OG Chance Warmack

-Lining up at left guard.
-Huge initial punch, jars the defensive tackle.
-Bends effortlessly, appears athletic in his movements, looks good pulling.
-Nice feet in pass protection, makes it look easy mirroring defensive tackle.
-Using the defender’s momentum against him, sealing him easily.
-Misses initially on the second level, works back and makes the block.
-Turns the defensive tackle easily, drives him backwards.
-Beaten by arm over to the outside, gives up a sack.
-Misses his assignment, tackle side-stepped the block.
-Finishes combo block, takes the tackle to the ground.

Overview: A good game from Warmack, but he did have a couple minor mistakes, which is atypical for him. As he continues to grow more comfortable with Barrett Jones on his right, I think Warmack will be even more of a dominant presence for Alabama line.

#75 OL Barrett Jones
-Lining up at center, making the line calls.
-Good hand placement, drives defensive tackle off the ball.
-Accurate shotgun snapper, perfect velocity – solid with QB under center as well..
-Fires out of his stance, stays in control.
-Picks up linebacker blitz with ease.
-Quick to the second level, solid block on linebacker.
-Gets a chip on the tackle, moves on and seals the linebacker.
-Very comfortable in space, positions himself well on screen.
-Got a little high out of his stance, pushed into the backfield.
-Chips the tackle and blows the linebacker back, looks comfortable at center.

Overview: I was expecting to see Jones eventually make the transition from left tackle to center, but I didn’t expect him to look so comfortable this early. He was spot on in his line calls, got out of his stance quickly, snapped the ball flawlessly and was technically sound. He’ll be a top fifty pick.

#89 TE Michael Williams

-Inline tight end, big body.
-Called for a false start.
-Slips the defensive end with a nifty move and catches the easy goal line touchdown.
-Decent pass protection, gains initial control.
-Has been solid in run blocking, good hand placement and pad level.
-Gets a couple of good down field blocks.
-Nice corner route, gets some separation but can’t haul in diving catch.

Overview: Williams had a solid night blocking and was able to present a threat in the passing game when needed. His size will be coveted by NFL teams this spring.

#54 DT Jesse Williams

-Lining up at nose tackle and as a 1-tech defensive tackle.
-Double teamed, doesn’t give an inch.
-Loses his balance, pushed back by center.
-Controls the guard with one arm, tackles the running back with the other for no gain.
-Gets off the ball quickly, shoves the guard out of the way and gets a piece of the running back.
-Sheds single block easily, but misses arm tackle.

Overview: Williams didn’t see a large amount of snaps, but Michigan took notice when he was in there. He saw a lot of double teams and was rarely singled without some sort of help. He might not make a huge mark in the box score, but he makes things easier for the Alabama linebackers.

#28 CB Dee Milliner*

-Playing cornerback, mostly on the boundary.
-In press man, gives free release, breaks on ball and makes the deflection.
-Misses tackle in space, dove for the ankles and missed.
-Doesn’t back down, going after Taylor Lewan after the play.
-Gets his hand in and disrupts the catch, great timing.
-Comes on corner blitz, breaks down and gets RB to the ground.
-Physical jam on receiver takes him to the ground, makes the easy interception.
-Looked comfortable with the ball in his hands, nearly took it in for a TD.
-Gets a hand on another ball, locates the ball very quickly.
-Doesn’t fall for double move, nice recovery speed allows him to disrupt catch.
-Flies up in run support, makes shoestring open field tackle on Robinson.
-Lost contain on sweep, leads to big play.

Overview: Milliner might have had the best night of any Alabama player, which is really saying something. He totaled four pass deflections and also snagged an interception. He has great recovery speed, fluid hips and breaks so quickly on the ball. Milliner made a great first impression.

#77 OT Taylor Lewan

-Lining up at left tackle.
-Extends his arms and easily drives through the defensive end.
-Finishing blocks with authority, has some nasty in him.
-Called for a facemask penalty, poor hand placement, missing his chest.
-Good pad level, anchors well against the bull rush.
-Called for holding penalty.
-Keeps a nice wide base, handles the push/pull move with ease.
-Gets to the second level quickly, seals off the linebacker.
-Nice hand placement and anchor against bull-rush, stops the DE cold.
-Called for a false start.
-Technically sound, uses good angle to seal the edge and create some room.
-If he gets locked on, DL are having a very tough time disengaging.
-Natural bender, plays with a good pad level.
-Picks up linebacker blitz easily, nice footwork.
-Bangs up his right leg – hobbles off the field – replacement immediately beaten for a sack.

Overview: Lewan is an elite left tackle prospect. He is a natural bender and looks like he has improved his strength from last year. The penalties in this game will need to be cleaned up, but there was a lot to like from Lewan on a night where not much went right for the Wolverines.

2013 NFL Draft Scouting Notes: Michigan vs Alabama | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

I'd be quite happy to have any of those guys on the Pats.
 
NE Patriots' Draft scouting notes on prospects from the Alabama vs. Michigan game:



2013 NFL Draft Scouting Notes: Michigan vs Alabama | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

I'd be quite happy to have any of those guys on the Pats.

Me too - Milliner really got me excited but I think he'll be the first CB taken and out of our range. Don't know about Warmack and Jones. Warmack is an OG only and doesn't fit the Pats approach of drafting OT's to play at OG. Barrett Jones might be too unathletic to be a Pats first rounder and if it's for the OC position, not sure BB will take one of them in the first.

Did you see the game? That TJ Yeldon was something else.
 
One thing I've noticed about the potential for the draft is how reliant it is on the junior class to be a good one. If enough declare, it will be an excellent class far outstripping last years.

with that in mind, here's an interesting find - one of the better vids I've watched so far this year.:

Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri (Jnr, 6-4, 295)

OSU39-Sheldon.jpg


He's #34. Looks like a good penetrating DT with some 3-4 potential. He's constantly in the Baylor backfield in this game.

Sheldon Richardson vs Baylor - YouTube
 
What do people think about me collating all the prospect videos I can in a separate thread(s)? I was thinking about having a separate thread for each position. i'm happy to do the work putting it together.

Also, rather than just having a link to a video, is it possible to embed videos in this forum?

It's a lot of work, but if you're willing to do it, go for it, and thank you.
 
One thing I've noticed about the potential for the draft is how reliant it is on the junior class to be a good one. If enough declare, it will be an excellent class far outstripping last years.

with that in mind, here's an interesting find - one of the better vids I've watched so far this year.:

Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri (Jnr, 6-4, 295)

OSU39-Sheldon.jpg


He's #34. Looks like a good penetrating DT with some 3-4 potential. He's constantly in the Baylor backfield in this game.

Sheldon Richardson vs Baylor - YouTube

What do you think about Richardson vs. Quinton Dial?

FWIW, I came across this recently on Dial, from a year ago:

If you’re not familiar with Quinton Dial, check him out. Be the first on your block to include him in the first round of their NFL Mock Draft…you’ll look like a genius when April rolls around. Widely considered a top 5 JUCO recruit, I assumed he was GOOD (he’ll start for Alabama, after all), but was in no way prepared for what I was about to see. The dude blew my cap back. I saw a guy with the versatility to play over the center, at 3 tech and at 5 tech. He hurdles O-linemen, buzz saws through double teams and streaks sideline-to-sideline like a LB before snot-bubbling RBs. Did I mention that Dial is every bit of 6-6/315, with a pterodactyl-like wingspan to boot?! This isn’t your standard issue 3-4 fencepost…this kid is SPECIAL. Like most JUCO guys, Dial has a few technical flaws to iron out (emerges a bit high from his stance), but nothing a year at Nick Saban’s NFL factory can’t fix.

Micheal Profetta's 2012 NFL Mock Draft - Picks 21-32

Take it with more than a grain of salt, but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
Well I asked you about Dial a day or two ago. Not sure about him yet. Perfect Pats size, at least for a 3-4 end but I wonder if that 3-4 ship has sailed.

In terms of 4-3, with Love, Brace and Wilfork on the books*, what we are really looking for is a 3-tech pass rusher and I don't know if Dial is that - will have to watch him more. Looking at Richardson, he looks exactly that. Granted it's only Baylor so we'll see how Richardson gets on in the SEC.

* I'll grant that a long-term Wilfork replacement will also be desirable and go along with you on the NT requirement (Jesse Williams does look good for the role) but none of our big 3 are really penetrators.
 
Florida State DE, Brandon Jenkins will miss the whole of the season due to a foot injury. Big!!
 
Me too - Milliner really got me excited but I think he'll be the first CB taken and out of our range. Don't know about Warmack and Jones. Warmack is an OG only and doesn't fit the Pats approach of drafting OT's to play at OG. Barrett Jones might be too unathletic to be a Pats first rounder and if it's for the OC position, not sure BB will take one of them in the first.

Yeah, Milliner looked as good as Claiborne from last year, but if Barrett Jones is wrong I don't want to be right. I think Bill will love his versatility.

One thing I've noticed about the potential for the draft is how reliant it is on the junior class to be a good one. If enough declare, it will be an excellent class far outstripping last years.

with that in mind, here's an interesting find - one of the better vids I've watched so far this year.:


He's #34. Looks like a good penetrating DT with some 3-4 potential. He's constantly in the Baylor backfield in this game.

Sheldon Richardson vs Baylor - YouTube

I watched that the other day, and while it was fact that he played well something felt wrong about it. It felt fake to me. Maybe it was just Baylor but I need to see more of Richardson.

Well I asked you about Dial a day or two ago. Not sure about him yet. Perfect Pats size, at least for a 3-4 end but I wonder if that 3-4 ship has sailed.

It has. We should stop talking about our need for a 3-4 end. That doesn't mean we should stop talking about players that are perfect 3-4 ends though. Both 5 techs and nose tackles would fit perfectly as a 2 technique in the Pats current defense, better than a 1-gap tackle from a standard 4-3 actually.
 
I watched that the other day, and while it was fact that he played well something felt wrong about it. It felt fake to me. Maybe it was just Baylor but I need to see more of Richardson.


I thought that about Baylor but they did have two players drafted off that OL last year - Robert Griffin the nought and the center who's name escaped me. Not high picks for sure but still worthy enough to be drafted by NFL teams (admittedly one of them was the Jets so ...)

I saw a bit of Richardson from his first game this year (SE Louisiana - I know) and he looked much the same. I think that he's got a tremendous get off and slices through the 1-gap before the OL is ready. Will have to watch more to see what he's like when blocked. Thankfully he's in the SEC this year so he'll get tested
 
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Well I asked you about Dial a day or two ago. Not sure about him yet. Perfect Pats size, at least for a 3-4 end but I wonder if that 3-4 ship has sailed.

It has. We should stop talking about our need for a 3-4 end. That doesn't mean we should stop talking about players that are perfect 3-4 ends though. Both 5 techs and nose tackles would fit perfectly as a 2 technique in the Pats current defense, better than a 1-gap tackle from a standard 4-3 actually.

I have no interest in drafting a player primarily to be a 3-4 DE. I agree that that "ship has sailed". But I also agree that "that doesn't mean that we should stop talking about players that are perfect 3-4 ends". I expect that the Pats defense will be "multiple" for some time, to use the buzz word that BB and Nick Caserio seem to prefer. So guys who can play 3-4 DE, 4-3 LDE and who can move inside to DT have terrific value. Jesse Williams fits that description (so does Star Lotulelei and probably Johnanthan Hankins, but they'll be long gone). Margus Hunt might. There are other guys of interest, ranging from 280# guys like Bjoern Werner up to 320# guys like Williams. Dial might fit into that model as well.
 
I have no interest in drafting a player primarily to be a 3-4 DE. I agree that that "ship has sailed". But I also agree that "that doesn't mean that we should stop talking about players that are perfect 3-4 ends". I expect that the Pats defense will be "multiple" for some time, to use the buzz word that BB and Nick Caserio seem to prefer. So guys who can play 3-4 DE, 4-3 LDE and who can move inside to DT have terrific value. Jesse Williams fits that description (so does Star Lotulelei and probably Johnanthan Hankins, but they'll be long gone). Margus Hunt might. There are other guys of interest, ranging from 280# guys like Bjoern Werner up to 320# guys like Williams. Dial might fit into that model as well.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if the Patriots continue the weird 3-4/4-3 hybrid they were using (3-4 on one side of Love/Wilfork, 4-3 on the other).
 
Austin Seferian-Jenkins won't be draft eligible until 2014, but I had to include this write up from NE Patriots' Draft:

#88 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE – SOPH

-dropped first pass
-makes an impressive first move for a big man on screen to get extra yards
-Uses height/size well, snatches the ball away from his body. Doesn’t run the most crisp routes, something to improve upon.
-lined up all over the field, split out wide a lot
-does a nice job in run blocking, seals off the edge to make a big hole for RB
-Doesn’t have elite speed, but gets open using athleticism/strength
-Really impressive runner in space, uses power and shifty combo well
-Again catches the ball away from his body and is immediatley making moves to get extra yardage.
-bruising TE. Force after the catch.
-Could run tighter routes, but gets open.
-better blocker than most college players. Uses leg drive very well, gets good pad level.
-looks comfortable in pass block as well. nice footwork.
-in pass blocking one snap, lined up at the X the next snap.
-footwork after the catch looks Hernandez-esque at times in screen passes.
-Could absolutely be the next Gronk. Great blocker, great receiver, uses big body well to get separation.

2013 NFL Draft Scouting Notes: San Diego State vs. Washington | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

I want.
 
Me too - Milliner really got me excited but I think he'll be the first CB taken and out of our range. Don't know about Warmack and Jones. Warmack is an OG only and doesn't fit the Pats approach of drafting OT's to play at OG. Barrett Jones might be too unathletic to be a Pats first rounder and if it's for the OC position, not sure BB will take one of them in the first.

Did you see the game? That TJ Yeldon was something else.

Ye Yeldon was something alright. He seems even bigger than the 6.1 but man can he run. All in all a good show for the Bama. That D-line has alot of depth.

What about this kid, I think his name was CLINTON-DIX. Playing special teams mostly ?

Name: Hasean Clinton-Dix
College: Alabama Number: 6
Height: 6-1 Weight: 209
Position: FS Pos2: SS
Class/Draft Year: So/2015
40 Low: 4.45 40 Time: 4.54 40 High: 4.65
 
Florida State DE, Brandon Jenkins will miss the whole of the season due to a foot injury. Big!!

Too bad. Does that make him a possible pickup for us later in the draft maybe ?

Isnt he a bit like Chandler Jones though ? Maybe we need to focus more on premium penetrating DT:s.
I´m waiting for Purdues Kawann Short to take the field so I can start checking him out.
 
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Florida State DE, Brandon Jenkins will miss the whole of the season due to a foot injury. Big!!

Too bad. Does that make him a possible pickup for us later in the draft maybe ?

Isnt he a bit like Chandler Jones though ? Maybe we need to focus more on premium penetrating DT:s.

I´m waiting for Purdues Kawann Short to take the field so I can start checking him out.

It's possible, but I'm afraid it's extremely unlikely: Jenkins hasn't played his RedShirt card, yet, so he could rehab and then rejoin the Seminoles, next year. And he'd be out'f's mind not to.

I like the way you're thinking, though. ;)
 
It's possible, but I'm afraid it's extremely unlikely: Jenkins hasn't played his RedShirt card, yet, so he could rehab and then rejoin the Seminoles, next year. And he'd be out'f's mind not to.

I like the way you're thinking, though. ;)

Doesnt he seem more lika a 3-4 speedrusher though ? Seems BB is going 4-3 with bigger stronger guys who can hold the run. From what I´ve heard is that he is a pure speedrusher and those people usually struggle to hold up against the run.

My college focus this year will be on penetrating DT:s. Seems every year there is a premium off big run-stuffers but with the focus on the passing game I see a shift towards smaller DT:s who can penetrate. We will almost always find big guys who can stand in the way of the run but actually create a passrush, thats more difficult IMHO.
 


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