OT: Jets trade for Panthers OT Otah

[ausbacker]

If it's a 6th rounder or less I'd say it's a solid move. What do you got to lose by giving up a 6th, low risk high reward.

We all know how valuable a 6th round pick can be PATSYLICIOUS.

 

[supafly]

We all know how valuable a 6th round pick can be PATSYLICIOUS.

Speaking of 6th rd picks, who wants to bet that the front office will at least explore the idea of trading someone away this yr who will get cut in TC to try and recoup that 6th round catastrophe?

Depending upon the specific player (and we all have our ideas), they probably won't be successful in their attempt, but the old college try may very well be in full effect about a month from now.

 

[supafly]

The Jets got tooled?

Nah, I don't blame the NYJ in the least for their move. Although Otah has been lazy and has underperformed, a change of scenery can sometimes bring more out of a player--maybe now he's just 1/2 as lazy, 1/2 as injured, and 1/2 as much of an underachiever.

Considering what they had at RT, I like the move from an unbiased standpoint.

I suppose that only leaves one guess as to who 'got tooled,' and that guess is the usual suspect of west coast idiots.

CAR probably got the best of the deal, with the NYJ coming in second. Only time will tell though.

 

[ausbacker]

Speaking of 6th rd picks, who wants to bet that the front office will at least explore the idea of trading someone away this yr who will get cut in TC to try and recoup that 6th round catastrophe?

Depending upon the specific player (and we all have our ideas), they probably won't be successful in their attempt, but the old college try may very well be in full effect about a month from now.

We'll try supa but other teams have started taking Patriots castoffs on waivers now. I have it on good authority that it's widely anticipated amongst 31 other GM's as a talent hot bed.

 

[supafly]

We'll try supa but other teams have started taking Patriots castoffs on waivers now. I have it on good authority that it's widely anticipated amongst 31 other GM's as a talent hot bed.

No doubt. There will be some 1/2 way decent talent out there to come from this team in late August, spread out amongst the other franchises. The cut down from 90 to 53 should give the others even more opportunity to pounce for free.

I really don't see any success in finding a sucker to give us an additional late round pick, but I'm sure it'll be a hot topic of conversation later in the summer.

I'd be curious to know how hard they tried to shop Meriweather last year, if at all? It certainly could be possible that an outright cut was just a big going away slap in the face for him from Belichick and the team. One would have to think that a 2x pro bowler on his rookie deal could have netted at least a late round pick for the future.

 

[Tunescribe]

Are there no objective Pats fans on this board?

The vast majority of us are, yes. Problem is, you wouldn't know objectivity if it hit you head-on and left tread marks on your forehead. Abandoning the concept is an inherent coping mechanism of every Green Beans fan.

 

[Deus Irae]

....Are there no objective Pats fans on this board?...

I find it interesting to note that you ask about this board's objectivity and then go back to JI in an attempt to embarrass Rob, and your own board's first response to you is a smack down:

What's so crazy about that?

I personally love the trade, but it would be completely ******ed to ignore Otah's health issues.

The guy has missed 30+ games in the last two years.

I view this move in the same light as the Landry signing.

When healthy, he's a damn good player that can make a significant difference.

Problem is, when is he healthy?

Nice job, Ray Ray. :singing:

 

[patchick]

Nah, I don't blame the NYJ in the least for their move. Although Otah has been lazy and has underperformed, a change of scenery can sometimes bring more out of a player--maybe now he's just 1/2 as lazy, 1/2 as injured, and 1/2 as much of an underachiever.

Considering what they had at RT, I like the move from an unbiased standpoint.

Yep, it's a totally reasonable kick-the-tires trade. Given how hard it is to find a decent OT, it's worth trying.

But more than anything, this trade is making me feel a lot better about the Pats' tackle situation. Most here are quite nervous about it, especially with Vollmer not yet healthy. Yet I'd take any of the Patriots' 3 RT options (Vollmer, Cannon, Gallery) over any of the Jets' options (Hunter, Ducasse, Otah).

 

[Rob0729]

The vast majority of us are, yes. Problem is, you wouldn't know objectivity if it hit you head-on and left tread marks on your forehead. Abandoning the concept is an inherent coping mechanism of every Green Beans fan.

You do have have to realize Rah!Rah! idea of an object Pats fan is a Pats fan who believes that:

- There hasn't been a draft since 2004 that Belichick hasn't totally blown
- Brady is old and declining rapidly
- the Jets have a better WRs than the Pats because guys like Welker, Lloyd, Branch, and Gaffney are old ans washed up
- Vlad Ducasse is not a bust and because since there no offseason last year, it was like a second rookie season and even though e was a turnstyle in spot duty at the end of last year he was really starting to turn the corner
- Jermaine Cunningham is a bust because even though he was drafted the same year as Ducasse, has produced slightly more than Ducasse, and was injured last year; using the fact that there was no offseason is a BS excuse
- Mark Sanchez's ceiling is limitless and his numbers were similar to Eli Mannings over the first three years (if you ignore the fact that Sanchez played a half of a season of games more than Eli over that period). He will become an elite QB as soon as this year and better than Brady
- The Pats have never won the Super Bowl since Spygate which proves that Belichick is a fraud. Anyone can lose two Super Bowls over a five ear period and go undefeated in the regular season. But the fact that the closest the Pats got to winning a Super Bowl since Spygate is having the lead in the final two minutes of two Super Bowls since then proves Belichick is a fraud.
- Rex Ryan is a better coach than Bill Belichick because he brought the Jets to back to back AFC Championships. It is irrelevant that Belichick brought the Pats to six AFC Championships and won five compared to Rex losing the two he went to.
- The media blew the whole Santonio Holmes thing out of the portions. When he called out his o-line to the media earlier in the season, he was just trying to motivate him. In the final game of the season, he wasn't benched he was just giving younger players an opportunity to get experience since the Jets' season was over
- The Pats sucked last year and all their wins were just lucky
- Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower are busts already because aren't all of the Pats' draft picks busts?


Did I miss anything Rah!Rah!?

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

The Jets got tooled?

Are all Pats fans as bright as you?

The move is about as low risk/high reward you can get. The Jets gave up nothing for him, are going for a player where they don't don't have to make a major investment, both from a cap standpoint, and draft compensation, and are either hoping or relying possibly on some intel that Otah could be a player that needs a change of scenery. If he's healthy, the Jets got a top 5 RT for nothing, if not, they move on to the next option and pay nothing.

Are there no objective Pats fans on this board?

If the Pats make this move, you all would be singing the praises of the Pats front office for being geniuses and having the foresight to try and catch lightning in a bottle?

Forgive me if I didn't meet your expectations - being a Jets fan you must be used to that feeling.

Look, the Panthers got Murphy, a much more productive, more healthy player, in exchange for Otah, a guy making more $$ who has hardly ever been on the field for two years and they used the Jets to get it done. The Panthers dumped Otah, who has played 4 games in 2 years, on the Jets, and got the Jets to pay enough for him that they could use the pick to get Murphy - that's shrewd trading by the Panthers, not by the Jets. Let's make it simple for you - for a 7th rounder wouldn't you have much rather had Louis Murphy? Warning: answering "no" here will void any further discussion about being "objective."

 

[Rob0729]

I find it interesting to note that you ask about this board's objectivity and then go back to JI in an attempt to embarrass Rob, and your own board's first response to you is a smack down:



Nice job, Ray Ray. :singing:

Rah!Rah! obsession with me is cute. He hates me because unlike a lot of actual Pats trolls on JI, I shoot down his homer Jets fan arguments with actual facts.

He desperately tries to make me look bad on that board. It is funny that he thinks he gets me riled up by inflating Brady's and other Pats' players ages because I caught he doing it for real to prove his point. Now he thinks he is outsmarting me by constantly claiming Brady is 36 and baiting me to jump all over him. Playing a battle of wits with Rah!Rah! is like playing chess with a two year old.

 

[Calciumee]

Rah!Rah!

...the noisy lion?

 

[Deus Irae]

...Let's make it simple for you - for a 7th rounder wouldn't you have much rather had Louis Murphy? Warning: answering "no" here will void any further discussion about being "objective."

To be fair to Ray Ray, I'd choose Otah over Murphy, too, if I were the Jets GM. That team needs to keep Sanchez clean, or he'll start wetting himself again. If Otah can play healthy, and that's admittedly not been his strong suit of late, that would shore up the right side of the O-line, and that's more important than a guy who should be the team's WR3 or WR4 and is coming off of a very disappointing 15 catch season.

 

[Rob0729]

The Jets got tooled?

Are all Pats fans as bright as you?

The move is about as low risk/high reward you can get. The Jets gave up nothing for him, are going for a player where they don't don't have to make a major investment, both from a cap standpoint, and draft compensation, and are either hoping or relying possibly on some intel that Otah could be a player that needs a change of scenery. If he's healthy, the Jets got a top 5 RT for nothing, if not, they move on to the next option and pay nothing.

Are there no objective Pats fans on this board?

If the Pats make this move, you all would be singing the praises of the Pats front office for being geniuses and having the foresight to try and catch lightning in a bottle?

BTW, it is a low risk high reward type of move. Belichick similar types of moves. If Otah can play like he did three years ago, it was a steal for the Jets. I think the chances of a high reward is not great since he has missed most of the last two years for injuries to the same knee (a knee he has already tweaked in the OTAs). The Panthers thought he was soft and lazy too.

You also might want to look in the mirror. You already labeled Brandon Lloyd as OchoCinco 2.0. You already said he is too old to be good (although he is 30 going on 31).

Otah could surprise everyone and resurrect his career. I just think of a single player who has missed most of two year with separate injuries to the same knee and ever resurrect his career. I may have missed someone.

 

[Rob0729]

To be fair to Ray Ray, I'd choose Otah over Murphy, too, if I were the Jets GM. That team needs to keep Sanchez clean, or he'll start wetting himself again. If Otah can play healthy, and that's admittedly not been his strong suit of late, that would shore up the right side of the O-line, and that's more important than a guy who should be the team's WR3 or WR4 and is coming off of a very disappointing 15 catch season.

Yes, fixing their RT position is more important than fixing their WR corp. The Jets are committed to the Ground and Pound this year and Otah was a very good run blocker. They desperately need to replace Hunter as a starter. Ducasse is a bust. They needed to add someone.

I still think the guy they will ultimately have replace Hunter at RT is still not on the roster. I just don't have the confidence in Otah to be anything more than a back up. There are rumors they may go after Vernon Carey if Hunter fails (obviously these rumors were before the trade). I have a feeling he will be their starting RT when all is said and done.

Murphy has more upside than Otah, but Otah addresses a much bigger need.

 

[Rob0729]

...the noisy lion?

LOL! Rah!Rah! is a noisy something. I just don't know if it is a lion.

 

[Kontradiction]

Who?

You name them. As much as I hate L.T., he did say one notable thing at the end of last season, and that's that the Jets locker room as as bad as he's ever seen. They've done nothing to address that so far this offseason so, when the going gets tough (and it will), I expect your fragile locker room to implode once again.

 

[shmessy]

Should be mentioned that Otah is in his contract year, so he is playing for a contract, make or brake year for the guy, if he fails with the Jet he wont get many other offers.
So he should be motivated to stay on the field.

Same could be said for Albert Haynesworth, no?

Only diff is the Pats could survive 3 months of Haynesworth and still have a great lockerroom and go 13-3. Meanwhile, the Jets' ship be sinkin'.

 

[Rob0729]

Same could be said for Albert Haynesworth, no?

Technically, Haynesworth wasn't in a contract year since he redid his contract with the Pats to pay him about $1.6 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012 (all base with no guarantees). So he was really playing for the second year of the deal or the Pats ripping up the contract and giving him a better contract.

That said, Haynesworth got a ton of money being franchised by the Titans and the stupid deal with the Redskins. I don't think he was motivated.

But then again, Otah is unlikely to get a good deal next year no matter how he plays. No one is going to give him a big long term contract with multiple season ending injuries to his left knee. He's going to be working on 1-2 year deals for the rest of his career at this point even if he becomes a stud RT again.

 

[randomk1]

Well if it works out good for them i guess. I'd still be a bit uneasy going into the season with Otah and that legendary duo of theirs.