RUMOR: via Twitter... Matt Forte to Patriots talk...

[Modest]

Re: RUMOR: Twitter burning up with Matt Forte to Patriots talk..

I gave you my opinion. You didnt even answer my questions. we've never had this discussion. Honestly have no idea what your talking about with being called a liar by other members.

Whatever man you keep being you. Id rather have you just not respond to me because you just make up your own theory and go with it.

If im being called a liar by other members then show me proof of that and other members, i went ahead and searched the board myself and got nada.

 

[LloydBraun]

The "4th option" stuff is nonsense, and the people making the "4th option" argument should all take a refresher course in football 101. It's not the number of passes, or even targets, that will be important with a guy like Wallace. It's the way he impacts the opponents. Every Patriots fan should have learned that in 2007 when Moss set records but, just as importantly, completely opened up the field for the rest of the WR corps.



The Patriots got more than 5 ypc from Ridley last season. The Patriots went to the Super Bowl, at 16-0, with Maroney running the ball in 2007. You don't need Forte, you need someone who can be successful in his runs. That's the system the Patriots play.

Take a look at Football Outsiders data on RBs. Notice that, even with a down season and had a very mediocre DVOA, BJGE finished 6th in success %. Meanwhile, Woodhead, who struggled early post-concussion and didn't have enough rushed to qualify to certain category rankings, still finished with a DVA of 25.4%, which would have put him among the best in the NFL had he been eligible. That's because, as you noted, it's about the running system in New England, and not about the back.

And the offense was an "all timer" type of offense this past year, if you're looking at points or yards.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 RUNNING BACKS



The league is going pass happy because the rules of the league essentially require that teams go pass happy. Two of the league's best runners, for years, have been AdP and Steven Jackson. That hasn't helped their teams to any SB rings or, for the most part, even to good regular seasons. Forte and the Bears have been 9-7,7-9,11-5 and 8-8 with Forte as the back. That "zig...zag" stuff is silly.

Wow! You almost seem offended.

Yes, Wallace would be an expensive 4th option. There are only so many balls to go around.

I am a huge fan of Ridley & Vereen. I'd rather make a trade for D stud, but I am not the GM yet. BB obviously views Forte as a much more certain option than the rookie backs. And yes, if teams are loading up to stop the pass league wide,it makes sense to run more. Control clock. Help the D. Who are you to say it is silly? It makes perfect sense.

In regards to the offense- yes it was very good. But it showed weakness vs big, strong Ds. A more balanced approach will take this away.

 

[Seels]

I like Forte and under normal circumstances wouldn't be opposed to trading for a running back. But, Vereen has Forte's exact skillset -- why trade for something you already have? No, I'm not pretending a guy that didn't start a game is a top 10 RB in football, but they're very similar players. If the Pats are going to go after a RB, go after a guy that is different from what you already have on the roster (and really, the best fit here would have been the other Bears running back, or Johnathan Stewart -- bruisers who can also catch a ball and pass protect).

If they're going to trade a pick, do it for Stewart.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow! You almost seem offended.

Nah.... I just find that this particular inconsistency to be an obvious one, and a pretty bad one.

Yes, Wallace would be an expensive 4th option. There are only so many balls to go around.

First, I already explained why the number of targets would be a foolish way to look at this. However, if you're going to play that game, you'd be in the same position with Forte. He's not going to be any higher on the option list, after all. And, since that's the case, you don't really need to replace Woodhead.

I am a huge fan of Ridley & Vereen. I'd rather make a trade for D stud, but I am not the GM yet. BB obviously views Forte as a much more certain option than the rookie backs. And yes, if teams are loading up to stop the pass league wide,it makes sense to run more. Control clock. Help the D. Who are you to say it is silly? It makes perfect sense.

Again, the great runner is not the solution, and that's been shown in most Super Bowls this century. You can keep screaming against the reality all you want. You'll still be screaming against the reality.

In regards to the offense- yes it was very good. But it showed weakness vs big, strong Ds. A more balanced approach will take this away.

The Giants aren't a big strong D. It's actually a smaller D-line. What gave the Patriots offense troubles was the type of defense that could play one-on-on press man on the outside, flood the middle and pressure the quarterback with mostly 4 man rushes. Forte doesn't solve that problem. Middle-deep receivers like Lloyd and Wallace solve that problem.

What Forte would bring is a pass catching threat with the RB1. However, the Patriots haven't used their RB1 like that since Brady's arrival as the QB (Faulk had 51 catches as the lead runner in 2000). The closest they've come is 2002, when Smith had 31 receptions.

 

[Rob0729]

Well, this should end the BS Incarcerated Bob trade rumor:

Bears president and CEO Ted Phillips told the Sun-Times Monday evening that the club has made Pro Bowl running back Matt Forte a "strong offer" and the they're hopeful he'll accept it.

CEO Ted Phillips said Bears have made "strong offer" to Matt Forte - Inside the Bears


Although it was fun to dream, this rumor falls into the 71% Bob gets wrong.

 

[ATippett56]

Although it was fun to dream, this rumor falls into the 71% Bob gets wrong.

Try 99

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Still going on? wow

 

[pork3]

 

[captain stone]

Re: RUMOR: Twitter burning up with Matt Forte to Patriots talk..

I disagree with a lot of the things you claim the Pats need, but either way, none of them are available. Forte is.

Forte can change the dynamics of the offense because he is a strong running AND receiving threat. My only concern is his asking price.

You disagree that the Pats need a returning Matt Light, a healthy Logan Mankins,
and our own version of Mike Wallace, and that none of them are available?

I might've been too vague when I wrote that we need a reliable LT & a healthy LG,
when I meant that we need to rely on our LT (Light) returning & our LG (Mankins)
getting & staying healthy.
And there should be some good WRs avail. at the end of the 2nd & 3rd rounds who
can help keep the opposing Safeties honest.

The most I would trade for Forte would be our 2nd 2nd-rounder (63) & a conditional 2013
pick which could max out at our 3rd-rounder, plus a contract worth 4 years/$20M, incl.
$10M up front.
Forte - starter used in all situations;
Ridley - used in short-yardage/clock-killin' situations, if he's cured of his Fumbleitis;
Vereen - should learn to return KOs, so that he at least sees some action;
Larsen/Fiammetta - lead blocker for short-yardage/clock-killin', plus play-action dump-off;
Woody - might be in some trouble.

Edit: Sorry for bumping the thread. I didn't read the last half of this page, which basically begged
the rest of us to stop posting on it. I'm leaving now...

 

[ausbacker]

Well, this should end the BS Incarcerated Bob trade rumor:

CEO Ted Phillips said Bears have made "strong offer" to Matt Forte - Inside the Bears


Although it was fun to dream, this rumor falls into the 71% Bob gets wrong.

It's interesting, going through bob's tweets and doing a quick twitter search his MO seems fairly simple. Search Twitter, find some potentially likely tweet rumours/sources, pass those tweets off as his own scoop (generally a day or two later than the low key information) and then on the likelihood that bob hits, tell the world how great he is and that the haters should GFT.

Bob's most certainly a sham with a major inferiority complex.

 

[Sciz]

It's interesting, going through bob's tweets and doing a quick twitter search his MO seems fairly simple. Search Twitter, find some potentially likely tweet rumours/sources, pass those tweets off as his own scoop (generally a day or two later than the low key information) and then on the likelihood that bob hits, tell the world how great he is and that the haters should GFT.

Bob's most certainly a sham with a major inferiority complex.

And anytime somebody calls him out for being wrong, he retweets them and his hoard of followers attack them. Happened to poor Pats reporter Erik Frenz yesterday.

 

[manxman2601]

Still going on? wow

You guys are aware that clicking into this thread is purely voluntary.

 

[ausbacker]

And anytime somebody calls him out for being wrong, he retweets them and his hoard of followers attack them. Happened to poor Pats reporter Erik Frenz yesterday.

I nailed in on a couple of his key contentions of late and did my own Twitter search to see what would come up. 5 of 5 worked out in such a manner (a small sample but time constrained). Now, he's taking some moral high road given the A'mare Stoudemire injury which was obvious to all and sundry a few days ago when his back issues flared up.

In all honesty, he's a useless source only worthy of comedic value.

 

[pork3]

You guys are aware that clicking into this thread is purely voluntary.

Indeed, we are well aware.
I just like that picture.

-Jamman

 

[Aßßynormal]

I like Forte and under normal circumstances wouldn't be opposed to trading for a running back. But, Vereen has Forte's exact skillset -- why trade for something you already have? No, I'm not pretending a guy that didn't start a game is a top 10 RB in football, but they're very similar players. If the Pats are going to go after a RB, go after a guy that is different from what you already have on the roster (and really, the best fit here would have been the other Bears running back, or Johnathan Stewart -- bruisers who can also catch a ball and pass protect).

If they're going to trade a pick, do it for Stewart.

Stewart has had at least one major concussion.

Use the fourth round pick or sign an UDFA or a veteran FA for depth but we're mostly set at RB ...... unless there is something we're not aware of (like the coaching staff is down on Vereen and/or Ridley).

 

[Rob0729]

Re: RUMOR: Twitter burning up with Matt Forte to Patriots talk..

You disagree that the Pats need a returning Matt Light, a healthy Logan Mankins,
and our own version of Mike Wallace, and that none of them are available?

I might've been too vague when I wrote that we need a reliable LT & a healthy LG,
when I meant that we need to rely on our LT (Light) returning & our LG (Mankins)
getting & staying healthy.
And there should be some good WRs avail. at the end of the 2nd & 3rd rounds who
can help keep the opposing Safeties honest.

The most I would trade for Forte would be our 2nd 2nd-rounder (63) & a conditional 2013
pick which could max out at our 3rd-rounder, plus a contract worth 4 years/$20M, incl.
$10M up front.
Forte - starter used in all situations;
Ridley - used in short-yardage/clock-killin' situations, if he's cured of his Fumbleitis;
Vereen - should learn to return KOs, so that he at least sees some action;
Larsen/Fiammetta - lead blocker for short-yardage/clock-killin', plus play-action dump-off;
Woody - might be in some trouble.

Edit: Sorry for bumping the thread. I didn't read the last half of this page, which basically begged
the rest of us to stop posting on it. I'm leaving now...

I disagree the Pats need to get a LT, LG, or deep threat in free agency or the draft. Now that you clarified, are you implying if the Pats trade for Matt Forte that Logan Mankins won't be ready for the season anf Light will retire? Or are you arguing that it is stupid to trade for Forte because you are too concerned about issues for the team that are totally independent of whether the Pats trade for Matt Forte, Jared Allen, or whoever?

The Pats drafted Solder to replace Light. He had a pretty good rookie season and tackles tend to really grow in their second year playing over their first. The Pats have already addressed that issue.

The Pats got a deep threat who has about the same amount of yards over the last two years as Wallace, demands a double team , entire three year salary will be less than Wallace's signing bonus, and didn't require a first round pick. Look at Brandon Lloyd's numbers over the last two years and they are about the same as Wallace except in the number of TDs.

Logan Mankins is scheduled to be back by training camp. The Pats have Robert Gallery as a stopgap replacement if Mankins isn't ready the first few games. Mankins is a guard. A torn ACL isn't as big to him as a skill posiiton. It would be stupid to draft a guard to replace him until he gets better since Mankins is more likely to be back to close to 100% before a rookie came close to his production. Plus the Pats have Marcus Cannon too.

I don't see them as pressing needs as you make them out to be.

Forte is worth more than you think or state, but I wouldn't break the bank for the guy. In the Pats' offense, he is capable of potentially getting 2,000 all purpose yards. That is worth more than a second rounder, conditional 2013, and $5 million a year. That said I wouldn't give up a heck of a lot more.

It's all moot anyway since the trade rumors were bogus.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

You guys are aware that clicking into this thread is purely voluntary.

I had no idea. Thanks captain obvious

 

[manxman2601]

Indeed, we are well aware.
I just like that picture.

-Jamman

Well in that case..carry on.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I don't follow twitter, but I did see people talking about this on another message board that isn't primarily about football but has a separate sports section. So I guess it is being talked about somewhat

 

[supafly]

I don't follow twitter, but I did see people talking about this on another message board that isn't primarily about football but has a separate sports section. So I guess it is being talked about somewhat

The Bears say that they are offering him a decent pact, so it'll be interesting to find out how much they deemed as a fair offer.

CHI is taking a pretty hard stance that he will at least be a Bear for the upcoming season, but one would assume that's what anyone would say.