The 2012 Combine Thread

[DaBruinz]

Re: * The 2012 Combine Drills!! *

I can't get the video working. IDK why. I'm watching on NFL Network, and it's horrible.



It's about 1000 times worse I'm sure.

I am using Chrome to watch it.. Working fine.. make sure your Shockwave flash player is up to date.

 

[Wilfork#75]

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So the question becomes: Is what you see in Sanu worth #27, or even #31?
(Ass-uming, of course, that Blackmon, Floyd & Wright are gone.)

My answer is: No, though I reserve the right to change it before April 26th.

I think it probably comes down to two things. How does he translate to the system, and what are your other options (either players or trades). Would he be my number 1 choice? No. But if I think he can translate well to the system I wouldn't have a problem taking him at 31.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Again, there's a difference between "having depth" and "being paranoid about injuries."

Having a third TE is not exactly "being paranoid about injuries" when your base set is a 2-TE set.

Using a first-round pick on such a player, though, would certainly be a bit beyond "having depth."

I think they could get Ladarius Green or Igwenagu in the 4th round and be fine.. I know the Pats are REALLY high on Igwenagu.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

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Wilson is built like a gorilla. Big arms, huge hands.

 

[DaBruinz]

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He would seem to be a great pick in the 3rd round, HOWEVER....this kid could be Taylor Price II - A tall fast WR who comes from an option/run first offense, and knows almost nothing about being an NFL WR. If we picked him it would be very unlikely that he'd be able to contribute much as a rookie. Still, his size and speed make him a very intriguing pick. Physically he's EXACTLY what this offense needs. But as we know there is a lot more that is needed in this offense than physical skills. Its not for everyone.

One of the things that Hill has been doing, speficially, is working on the route tree. The bigger question would be whether or not he has the football intelligence and hard work attitude to get in sync with Brady. From what I am reading/hearing, the answer is yes, he does, to both. Which was different from guys like Chad Jackson, who shunned Troy Brown.

As for Taylor Price, just remember that Belichick said he had wanted Price back on the PS if he hadn't gotten claimed. BB doesn't usually say things like that.

Hill is going to be a late 1st rounder. He's moved ahead of Sanu, imho. He won't over-take Wright, Blackmon, or Floyd, but he'll be there, ripe for the pickings.

 

[Wilfork#75]

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He would seem to be a great pick in the 3rd round, HOWEVER....this kid could be Taylor Price II - A tall fast WR who comes from an option/run first offense, and knows almost nothing about being an NFL WR. If we picked him it would be very unlikely that he'd be able to contribute much as a rookie. Still, his size and speed make him a very intriguing pick. Physically he's EXACTLY what this offense needs. But as we know there is a lot more that is needed in this offense than physical skills. Its not for everyone.

My biggest problem with Hill is he seems like the kind of WR the Pats have traditionally gone for, and have consistently busted. Raw, high upside and lack of production. While his workouts are great and he has proved to be a fantastic athlete, it still doesn't prove he can be a WR in the NFL, especially in the Pats system. I'm not saying he can't do it because his ceiling is as high as any WR in this draft, but he is also a huge risk. I would prefer to go a more polished and experienced route with proven production (Sanu, Jeffery, Criner) because we can't afford a high WR pick being a bust.

 

[manxman2601]

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One of the things that Hill has been doing, speficially, is working on the route tree. The bigger question would be whether or not he has the football intelligence and hard work attitude to get in sync with Brady. From what I am reading/hearing, the answer is yes, he does, to both.

Hill is going to be a late 1st rounder. He's moved ahead of Sanu, imho. He won't over-take Wright, Blackmon, or Floyd, but he'll be there, ripe for the pickings.

I think we're going to have some interesting discussions in the next couple of months about WR's. Plenty of value in later rounds too.

One question to all - Where does alshon Jeffrey stand now. I think there might be 6-8 WR's ahead of him. Maybe more with Marvin McNutt running under 4.50.

 

[Off The Grid]

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Yeah I've heard of depth. We have two All-Pro caliber TEs already. You can play the game of Football a thousand different ways but the absolute one way you don't play this game is being paranoid about injuries.

Again, there's a difference between "having depth" and "being paranoid about injuries."

Having a third TE is not exactly "being paranoid about injuries" when your base set is a 2-TE set.

Exactly.

Only a raving IDIOT fails to grasp the fundamental concept of Depth.

Having DEPTH has NOTHING to do with "being paranoid about injuries."

It's call "being SMART."

...A concept that clearly ELUDES certain folks.

 

[Deus Irae]

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I think we're going to have some interesting discussions in the next couple of months about WR's. Plenty of value in later rounds too.

One question to all - Where does alshon Jeffrey stand now. I think there might be 6-8 WR's ahead of him. Maybe more with Marvin McNutt running under 4.50.

I think his passing on the 40 will cause him to drop quite a bit, at least until he runs one on his pro day. There's just so much raw potential in this WR group that is going to get bumped up because of the combine.

 

[VrabelJr]

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Exactly.

Only a raving IDIOT fails to grasp the fundamental concept of Depth.

Having DEPTH has NOTHING to do with "being paranoid about injuries."

It's call "being SMART."

...A concept that clearly ELUDES certain folks.

Yeah but what you fail to realize is that depth at a position you're stacked at comes at the expense of other positions. Also, that TE that you want us to draft so bad with a 1st or 2nd rounder probably isn't going to be cool with being stuck behind Gronk and Hernandez for at least the next 2-3 years.

This isn't Fantasy Football, bro.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Sanu had issues catching on the Post Corner Drill.

Some of these guys just aren't cutting towards the corner that hard.

 

[Wilfork#75]

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I think we're going to have some interesting discussions in the next couple of months about WR's. Plenty of value in later rounds too.

One question to all - Where does alshon Jeffrey stand now. I think there might be 6-8 WR's ahead of him. Maybe more with Marvin McNutt running under 4.50.

I think one thing we all need to remember is we are still 60 days, 7 hours and 30 odd minutes away from the draft and everything will still change. This time last year there was no chance Nick Fairley would fall to #14, and JJ Watt was likely to be available in the 20's. While we are getting some good information about these kids, most of this stuff doesn't really translate to on the field production. The combine is still only a small part of the process, and just cause a guy runs a great 40, or has a good 3 cone time doesn't change the tape, which is the most important thing.

 

[BritPat]

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A few notes from that second group.

Derek Moye didn't drop a ball all afternoon, and looked incredibly smooth.

Kendall Wright's hands are outstanding. He'll make one team incredibly happy for a few years.

Reuben Randle has some skills, shame he went to LSU.

Sanu redeemed himself, the kid's got terrific body control and route running skills. I think the Three Cone and Shuttle drills will be a better evaluation for him.

Chris Owusu will be a huge steal, so long as he's healthy.

Devon Wylie has Patriot written all over him.

 

[captain stone]

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As of now, Mayock's top 5 WRs are: Blackmon, Wright, Floyd, Randle & Jeffery.

I wonder if today's workouts will help him change his list; and I'd like to know who his #s 6-10 are.

 

[DaBruinz]

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My biggest problem with Hill is he seems like the kind of WR the Pats have traditionally gone for, and have consistently busted. Raw, high upside and lack of production. While his workouts are great and he has proved to be a fantastic athlete, it still doesn't prove he can be a WR in the NFL, especially in the Pats system. I'm not saying he can't do it because his ceiling is as high as any WR in this draft, but he is also a huge risk. I would prefer to go a more polished and experienced route with proven production (Sanu, Jeffery, Criner) because we can't afford a high WR pick being a bust.

Production isn't everything. You have to put it into the context of the offense they were running. There's the one receiver from Western Michigan who had 140 receptions this year. Well, they also passed the ball like 600 times..

Take a look at Hill's production relative to the offense he is coming out of.

Hill liked especially sharp in the drills, including the gauntlet and the post corner drill.

One of the flaws in Chad Jackson was that he was a slow learner. It took him 3 years to learn the Florida Play-book. He also wasn't willing to put in the time doing film study. This came from Troy Brown.

Those things aren't what you hear about Hill. You hear that he's a quick study and that he DOES like to watch film. He may not be a film rat like Brady, but he seems to have the attitude that he'll do whatever he can to get better.

 

[VrabelJr]

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A few notes from that second group.

Derek Moye didn't drop a ball all afternoon, and looked incredibly smooth.

Kendall Wright's hands are outstanding. He'll make one team incredibly happy for a few years.

Reuben Randle has some skills, shame he went to LSU.

Sanu redeemed himself, the kid's got terrific body control and route running skills. I think the Three Cone and Shuttle drills will be a better evaluation for him.

Chris Owusu will be a huge steal, so long as he's healthy.

Devon Wylie has Patriot written all over him.

I love Devon Wylie but if we take him we have three WRs tying up the slot spot in Welker, Edelman and Wylie.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: * The 2012 Combine Drills!! *

A few notes from that second group.

Derek Moye didn't drop a ball all afternoon, and looked incredibly smooth.

Kendall Wright's hands are outstanding. He'll make one team incredibly happy for a few years.

Reuben Randle has some skills, shame he went to LSU.

Sanu redeemed himself, the kid's got terrific body control and route running skills. I think the Three Cone and Shuttle drills will be a better evaluation for him.

Chris Owusu will be a huge steal, so long as he's healthy.

Devon Wylie has Patriot written all over him.

Sanu has possession receiver written all over him. And that is fine. I think that his low end will be a David Givens type receiver.

Wylie does look good.

Owusu also needs to work on his hands. That's been one of the biggest knocks against him..

 

[Off The Grid]

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That TE that you want us to draft so bad with a 1st or 2nd rounder probably isn't going to be cool with being stuck behind Gronk and Hernandez for at least the next 2-3 years.

This isn't Fantasy Football, bro.

Go ahead and show me the "TE that you want us to draft so bad with a 1st or 2nd rounder."

Coach B BLEW it.

This year's Crop of Wing Backs is DRY.

LAST year's Crop was LUSCIOUS.

~ Lance Kendricks
~ Jordan Cameron
~ Julius Thomas
~ Brett Brackett

There is PRECIOUS little to choose from, THIS year, now that everybody's ONTO Tight Ends...

...Which of course makes the current barren crop even MORE expensive!!

No???

Then I guess you're talking out your @$$, as you ALWAYS are...AREN'T you??

 

[DaBruinz]

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I love Devon Wylie but if we take him we have three WRs tying up the slot spot in Welker, Edelman and Wylie.

There were rumors floating around this past season that Edelman's permanent spot may be as a nickel corner. Considering he'd never played there before, He did well for himself. Not to mention that he wrapped up on all his tackles. Which is more than we can say for the likes of Meriweather and Sergio Brown. And even Arrington..

 

[manxman2601]

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A few notes from that second group.

Derek Moye didn't drop a ball all afternoon, and looked incredibly smooth.

Kendall Wright's hands are outstanding. He'll make one team incredibly happy for a few years.

Reuben Randle has some skills, shame he went to LSU.

Sanu redeemed himself, the kid's got terrific body control and route running skills. I think the Three Cone and Shuttle drills will be a better evaluation for him.

Chris Owusu will be a huge steal, so long as he's healthy.

Devon Wylie has Patriot written all over him.

I was dipping in and out but everytime I saw Wylie he was body catching or dropping the ball. Hate to be boring, but twitter draftniks were raving about Marvin Jones.