A Balanced Look at the Defense

[RobertWeathers]

Is there a NFL defense that wouldn't succeed with an offense scoring 30-35 PPG?

You have a bunch of NFL defenses that are giving up close to 30 a game. The Pats aren't one of them.

 

[PatriotFan77]

lmao

The Skins marched like 75 yards, and Moss basically handed Mayo the ball

It had absolutely nothing to do with playing clutch

Actually, making a stop in the Red Zone to preserve the win is the definition of clutch.

 

[ausbacker]

Why would you need to make up something and attribute it to me in order to argue against what I said? Doesnt that prove your argument is lame?
Show me where I said this was a top 10 defense. Show where I said it was good, bad, mediocre or anything.
This is what is so F-ed up about this board.
I post, game by game whether the defense played well enough to deserve to win or lose. Dozens of posts in I don't recall anyone objecting to my conclusion of any single game, yet people are so in love with wallowing in negativity about a 10-3 team that people like you have to make up that I gave an opinion about how good the defense is, because the facts of the first 12 games conflict with the negativity you apparently feel entitled to.

Then find someone who is saying what you disagree with and fight them instead of taking an objective analysis that doesn't support your enjoyment of negativity and pretend it says something that it doesn't. I realize that you have a bunch of buddies in the woe is me crowd, but you really do look foolish assaulting my post by making up things that aren't in it to disagree with. It shows you have no merit in your argument.

Actually, you posted your interpretation of the defense's performances then attempted to masquerade that as something which it wasn't. There's that word again Andy, did I misuse it again this time?

 

[Ring 6]

Actually my math was bad, they have allowed 19.5. Still, since the Bills game to allow 19.5pp for 10 games and not allow an opposing offense in any game score more than 25 tells us something. They've actually been quite consistent. They aren't stout, but are sometimes. They aren't swiss cheese, but are sometimes.

I just don't think cumulative statistic have a lot of value in this particular discussion.
If there ever was a case of 'situational football' belittling the value of cumulative stats, this is it, IMO.
If the concern is what the defense will do when the game is in jeopardy, then how they play in those situations is what is important. The defense has not been great in those, or any situations, but what happens outside of those situations is tainting people from having an objective view. Thats all.

 

[condon84]

They only allowed 7 in the second half. Which is 14 PPG, so they are trending in the right direction.

The past two games have been pretty bad for our defense especially after the performance against the Eagles.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, you posted your interpretation of the defense's performances then attempted to masquerade that as something which it wasn't. There's that word again Andy, did I misuse it again this time?

This time you used it correctly.
Now that your point is cogent, it is also incorrect.
I did not post an interpretation of the defense, other than assessing in each game whether that performance was good enough to deserve to win or not. That was the sole 'assessment' involved in my post. Anyone was free to identify any one of those games and disagree with that assessment. No one did.
I did not masquerade it as anything other than a method of judging the defense. It is clear that contribution to winning or losing is the most important judgment is it not?
You, and others appear to think that there is some sort of implication there that simply is not there.
To use your approach, I have told you that you are wrong many more than 4 times about your implication of something that is hidden between the lines of my post, but you still don't accept it. So where does that leave us?

 

[ausbacker]

This time you used it correctly.
Now that your point is cogent, it is also incorrect.
I did not post an interpretation of the defense, other than assessing in each game whether that performance was good enough to deserve to win or not. That was the sole 'assessment' involved in my post. Anyone was free to identify any one of those games and disagree with that assessment. No one did.
I did not masquerade it as anything other than a method of judging the defense. It is clear that contribution to winning or losing is the most important judgment is it not?
You, and others appear to think that there is some sort of implication there that simply is not there.
To use your approach, I have told you that you are wrong many more than 4 times about your implication of something that is hidden between the lines of my post, but you still don't accept it. So where does that leave us?

Don't blame others for your own special ability to confuse yourself.

 

[Jangles]

Actually, making a stop in the Red Zone to preserve the win is the definition of clutch.

I agree

but that isn't what happened

The defense didn't do anything. All Mayo had to do was not drop a handoff. Good for Mayo, but lol if you think the Pats stout D made a stop.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

I just don't think cumulative statistic have a lot of value in this particular discussion.
If there ever was a case of 'situational football' belittling the value of cumulative stats, this is it, IMO.
If the concern is what the defense will do when the game is in jeopardy, then how they play in those situations is what is important. The defense has not been great in those, or any situations, but what happens outside of those situations is tainting people from having an objective view. Thats all.

Yes.
I'd rather give up 1,000 yards and ten points than 500 yards and 50 points.
All is between the 20's. Everything Is, and Ever Will Be, Betweeen the 20's.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes I did. However, this defense just gave up 28 points to a team that was struggling to score over 18 points a game. We won, but our defense looked as bad as it's been all year. Instead of getting better, we seem to be getting worse.

The defense was awful today, of that there is no doubt.
Other than Buffalo, I think this was their worst game.

What's interesting though, is that today was a different scheme. We played A TON of base 34. We played it with Carter as a 34 DE and Anderson as a 34 OLB,often on the same side. The Redskins running game did the majority of its damage running to our defensive right against those 2 guys. Early Anderson made a great play, but otherwise he was eaten alive as was Carter in the run game. Also when Fletcher was out, Tracy White, who has no business being in on defense in any scheme, was run right at as a 34 ILB and pummelled.
Add to that that after last week the Slater experiment seemed to be over, but because of injury, he was back out there, getting abused.

 

[mb6592]

Why would you need to make up something and attribute it to me in order to argue against what I said? Doesnt that prove your argument is lame?
Show me where I said this was a top 10 defense. Show where I said it was good, bad, mediocre or anything.

I'm not placing them anywhere, I am assessing what they have done. I would assume playing well enough to deserve to win 9 of 12 places them solidly above middle of the road.

32teams, 16th middle, Top 10 would be "solidly above middle of the road." This board is only allowed one resident lawyer, and Deus has that distinction, so you can cut your crappy word play and your crappy attempt at martyrdom.

 

[alvinnf]

lmao

The Skins marched like 75 yards, and Moss basically handed Mayo the ball

It had absolutely nothing to do with playing clutch

Laugh all you want, but they gave up seven points in the second half. Had 2 or three crucial stops that got the offense back. Then to top it off got a stop to win the game. They played well in the second half.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't blame others for your own special ability to confuse yourself.

I'm not blaming anyone.
1) You either used the wrong word or typed an incoherent sentence that would have been coherent with a different word.
2) You misrepresented my OP.
You know both of these, which is why you have nothing to say other than slinging an insult. Its the last resort of a failure.

 

[Big-T]

lmao

The Skins marched like 75 yards, and Moss basically handed Mayo the ball

It had absolutely nothing to do with playing clutch

Moss lost control of the ball because Tracy White pulled his arms away from the ball.

 

[PatriotFan77]

I agree

but that isn't what happened

The defense didn't do anything. All Mayo had to do was not drop a handoff. Good for Mayo, but lol if you think the Pats stout D made a stop.

Objectively, factually, statistically speaking, that is exactly what the defense did.

Subjectively speaking, who gives a rats ass what your opinion is

Pats won, bottom line. Doesn't matter if it was 802-4 or 34-27. winisawinisawinisawinisawinisawin

 

[Ring 6]

Laugh all you want, but they gave up seven points in the second half. Had 2 or three crucial stops that got the offense back. Then to top it off got a stop when to win the game. They played well in the second half.

Would have agreed with the credit you are giving them for toughening up, IF Brady had gotten the ball in to salt the game or if they stopped the Skins rather than holding on for life and getting a fortunate play to end it.

 

[alvinnf]

Would have agreed with the credit you are giving them for toughening up, IF Brady had gotten the ball in to salt the game or if they stopped the Skins rather than holding on for life and getting a fortunate play to end it.

The other team was inside their ten. They needed to make a play to preserve the lead with the clock dwindling. They did.

 

[mb6592]

They only allowed 7 in the second half. Which is 14 PPG, so they are trending in the right direction.

This post confuses me

I'm channeling my inner Andy.

 

[Ring 6]

32teams, 16th middle, Top 10 would be "solidly above middle of the road." This board is only allowed one resident lawyer, and Deus has that distinction, so you can cut your crappy word play and your crappy attempt at martyrdom.

You are joking right?
I wrote a post assessing the defenses role in winning or losing. Someone called them middle of the road, and I said I WOULD ASSUME that being good enough to deserve to win 9 out of 12 is better than middle of the road, and that is your response that

It's because after a few games where the defense actually shows up you jump into your "top 10" BS rant

Again, if you to lie about what I post to argue with me that should tell you something about the strength of your argument.

 

[Ring 6]

The other team was inside their ten. They needed to make a play to preserve the lead with the clock dwindling. They did.

I understand that, but letting them get inside the 10 cannot be ignored.