Disturbing stats for Brady

[LetsGoPats36]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

Disagree with that, other than welker and his TE's he has nobody.

Branch is still a good WR2. He only played 9 games in the 04 regular season and through 8 games this year his numbers are pretty much identical. Welker, Hernandez and Gronk are all better receiving options than any of the 04 versions of Brown, Branch, Givens and Graham.

04 Dillon is far superior to anything we have in the backfield right now, but, between BJGE, Woody and Ridley the depth at the position is a little better.

It's not cut and dry, but the case can definitely be made for this year's weapons being an overall better group and I tend to lean that way.

 

[strngplyr]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

Of Brady's 10 ints, I feel like 3 were only his fault.

1 was a bad route by ochocinco against buffalo i think
4 were deflected at the line
3 were deflected by our receivers
1 was a td pass to aaron hernandez that went through his hands

I still feel like he hasn't been as accurate as in recent years. I think he's getting hurried more and that's having a huge impact.

He's making some poor choices but he's also missing open guys. He missed a wide open Taylor Price against Pitt, he's missed Ocho open, he's not noticed Gronk open or thought he had a better option multiple times.

Then there is the O-line giving up quick pressure causing Brady to throw it away or force a pass that isn't there.

Simply, Brady is not playing at the level he did last season, there was almost no reason to suggest he would, I think we're all assuming that last season was going to be the norm for a few season. Last season was better quarterback play than 2007 in my eyes. He almost never made a bad decision, almost never missed the open guy, it was as close to flawless as you could get.

That said, he is still playing at a very high level, and suggesting otherwise is pretty dumb. When you can only name one, maybe two quarterbacks in the entire NFL that you would rather have right now over Tom Brady, and then suggest that he is playing poorly, is mind-boggling.

The offensive troubles are the result of a collective breakdown, not simply on the quarterback. Abandoning the run certainly doesn't help after you've seemingly made an offseason effort to get better. Draft a guard and tackle, pick up another guard in FA, draft two RB's, bring back Faulk and Morris (who eventually got cut).

Line up 6 linemen, two TE's, Benny or Ridley, and Welker, maybe Price instead to attempt to burn the defense deep. Play some power football with some PA potential to Hernandez streaking down the middle covered by a safety or LB against a base defense or run down a nickles throat.

Is it just me not paying close enough attention, or are we running a lot more 3WR sets over 2TE sets compared to last year?

 

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I'll give it a go.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

hater sez: yes......looks like it

homer sez: no.....its everything else

 

[Patspsycho]

Well, if you're going to bring the psychological aspect into this. What affect do you think it has on the psyche being the QB of a team that as of two weeks ago was the 10th worst pass defense of all time?

Ignoring that - I still maintain that a turnover does not necessarily or inherently give your opponent extra possessions. You have to go case by case.

I can understand going case by case to see if he hurt the team, but I'd like to point out that compared to the other players, Brady is the one hurting this team the most. None of our RB's have fumbled, and the next player with the most turnovers is Hernandez who has fumbled it once, IIRC.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

He's making some poor choices but he's also missing open guys. He missed a wide open Taylor Price against Pitt, he's missed Ocho open, he's not noticed Gronk open or thought he had a better option multiple times.

Then there is the O-line giving up quick pressure causing Brady to throw it away or force a pass that isn't there.

Simply, Brady is not playing at the level he did last season, there was almost no reason to suggest he would, I think we're all assuming that last season was going to be the norm for a few season. Last season was better quarterback play than 2007 in my eyes. He almost never made a bad decision, almost never missed the open guy, it was as close to flawless as you could get.

That said, he is still playing at a very high level, and suggesting otherwise is pretty dumb. When you can only name one, maybe two quarterbacks in the entire NFL that you would rather have right now over Tom Brady, and then suggest that he is playing poorly, is mind-boggling.

The offensive troubles are the result of a collective breakdown, not simply on the quarterback. Abandoning the run certainly doesn't help after you've seemingly made an offseason effort to get better. Draft a guard and tackle, pick up another guard in FA, draft two RB's, bring back Faulk and Morris (who eventually got cut).

Line up 6 linemen, two TE's, Benny or Ridley, and Welker, maybe Price instead to attempt to burn the defense deep. Play some power football with some PA potential to Hernandez streaking down the middle covered by a safety or LB against a base defense or run down a nickles throat.

Is it just me not paying close enough attention, or are we running a lot more 3WR sets over 2TE sets compared to last year?

We have, when we want a 3rd TE we've brought in Solder. I miss Crumpler, if he was healthy I think we'd be in MUCH better shape, in the mean time I'm crossing my fingers for Tony Gonzalez in '12.

 

[Patspsycho]

Another interesting post:

Advanced NFL Stats: The Giants Make Tom Brady Look Human

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pkbtvaeaD...jU/s1600/Brady_Tilts_At_Windmills+%281%29.png

What's interesting to note is that the Giants game is really the only one where he - statistically - was a demerit to the team at any point in the game, other than the 1st Q of the Dallas game. Which flies in the face of the premise of this thread.

So you're saying 10 INT's don't hurt?

 

[Patspsycho]

What I and others seem to be having a hard time getting across to you and some others is that Brady isn't necessarily responsible for turning over the ball in 8 out of 10 of those instances you keep citing of Brady hurting the team. The team is hurting itself in those and a lot of other instances...

8 out of those 10 instances? I don't think so. You still have to throw the ball so it's not tipped (4) and two of the outright catches were definitely bad.

This is pretty much the same offense as last year with the exception of Ocho being in place of Tate. Brady didn't have 10 INT's last year.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

Disagree with that, other than welker and his TE's he has nobody.

That is his choice. Often players have been open, including RB's on option routes.

 

[millzy]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

Brady is still having a very good season, sure he has missed a few targets but his receivers are average compared to Welker, Gronkowski and Hernandez, without brady none of those receivers would be able to step up and make those plays. That Steelers game, he didnt play up to his potential but i don't think anyone could have beat Pittsburgh at home that game. Baltimore got lucky, bradys clutchness is off the roof this year, look at the final drive in the dallas cowboys game and against the giants

 

[mvrabel50]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

That is his choice. Often players have been open, including RB's on option routes.

It's hard for any qb to look at every receiver when you're getting hurried. welker and gronk get more looks because they're open more than the other options. it's hard to discredit brady for not always hitting every open receiver, especially if that receiver's been covered well for the last several plays.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

That is whose choice? ... not sure what you mean.

It's hard for any qb to look at every receiver when you're getting hurried. welker and gronk get more looks because they're open more than the other options. it's hard to discredit brady for not always hitting every open receiver, especially if that receiver's been covered well for the last several plays.

You argued that Brady is experiencing problems because he "only has" Welker and the 2 TE's and my assertion is that that's not true- there are other weapons that he simply isn't using.

 

[LetsGoPats36]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

You argued that Brady is experiencing problems because he "only has" Welker and the 2 TE's and my assertion is that that's not true- there are other weapons that he simply isn't using.

No way, bro. He needs more than 3 options that usually get open and 2 reliable check downs. No weapons in this offense...

 

[strngplyr]

Re: Has Brady been worse this year than last?

No way, bro. He needs more than 3 options that usually get open and 2 reliable check downs. No weapons in this offense...

I almost yelled at you for saying having 5 open guys is a bad thing. Then I realized it was sarcasm.

 

[rojo8401]

It's been said before, Brady is seeing ghosts without his binkie... Dan Koppen.

He just isn't comfortable back there - with or without pressure - and that's a mental issue. How many times have you seen him imagine pressure this year? I can count a half dozen off the top of my head without the aid of my DVR.

He'll calm down eventually and stop happy-footing it.

 

[sly24]

I say recognize his greatness, maximize his strengths and minimize exposure of his weak points...like, say, Denver did with Elway at 37 and 38 years old. Offensive balance MUST be taken into consideration, if not this season then surely the next one.

I agree the offense needs to be more balanced. But Denver had Terrell Davis though.. we don't have a 2000 yard rusher.

 

[mvrabel50]

It's been said before, Brady is seeing ghosts without his binkie... Dan Koppen.

He just isn't comfortable back there - with or without pressure - and that's a mental issue. How many times have you seen him imagine pressure this year? I can count a half dozen off the top of my head without the aid of my DVR.

He'll calm down eventually and stop happy-footing it.

I completely agree with you. Big key for Sunday night is to give him some more time and let him get a little more comfortable in the pocket. Steelers and Giants did a great job making him feel the pressure (even if it wasn't fully there).

Branch and 85 are gonna need to step it up too, since i'm sure revis will be on welker for most of the game again.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Here is a great article explaining the trust factor in this read and react, sight adjusted, precision based offense. Some of you apparently need a refresher course.

Aaron Hernandez learns to earn trust with Tom Brady - BostonHerald.com

It doesn't matter who appears to fans and analysts to be open. Close isn't good enough in this offense. Which is why it also isn't a matter of Brady getting on the same page with any WR. It's about each WR getting on the same page with Brady, which means they will be on the same page with each other as a unit. Every time Brady "seemingly" under or overthrows or fails to target even a seemingly open receiver, you should remind yourself of this article. One day soon enough we will probably be left to run the close enough offense...

 

[BradyManny]

I can understand going case by case to see if he hurt the team, but I'd like to point out that compared to the other players, Brady is the one hurting this team the most. None of our RB's have fumbled, and the next player with the most turnovers is Hernandez who has fumbled it once, IIRC.

Tom Brady, as QB of a pass-heavy team, handles the ball far more than any other player on this team, naturally he's going to be responsible for more turnovers than anyone else.

Even in his record setting 4 INT season last year, he still turned it over more than the RBs. Your statement could just as easily be translated to:

The quarterback has more effect on the team's performance than other positions on the team.

Except in this case, you are heavily and narrowly focusing on the negative, in spite of the positives.

I'm not going to argue he hasn't executed to his high standards of late - I think he is going through some kind of struggles - a combination of a stale offense; tough defenses; elbow tendinitis; and poor OL play. But even with those struggles, he still grades out by all metrics as a top 3 QB in the league. So I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about Brady.