Disturbing stats for Brady

[Patspsycho]

As researched by Ian Rapaport:

Brady's 10 INT's has resulted in FORTY points for the opponent's offense.

In the last 3 losses by a combined 15 points, Brady's INT's in those game led to 27 points scored by the opponent's offense.

Of the 10 INTs he had, 4 were tipped by the opponent's defense, 4 were outright catches, and 2 were tipped up by his own receivers.

To this I add:

Now, our defense ranks #19 in total points given up (184).

Let's assume Brady plays like himself (closer to last year) and gives up only 3 INT, and one TD, through 8 games.

This would be a total of 7 points given up, and the surprising thing is that our defense would then have given up only 151 points.

It would then be ranked #5 overall, in points given up.

As unthinkable as it is, to even consider it, Brady is the one player that has hurt this team the most, this year. Not Haynesworth, not Ocho, not Price, not Bodden, not Tate or anyone else, but Tom Brady.

It then behooves the coaching staff to take the ball out of his hands more and give it to one or more of the five RBs we have on this team, none of who (ironically) have turned the ball over once, this season.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Brady wouldn't be throwing so many INT if we got him a julio jones/aj green to throw too....give him a # 1 WR along with welker and our TEs and he is unstoppable once again.

 

[Sciz]

That's a big reason I'm not too worried about the team. Brady's too good to not get over this, and he's been a huge factor in all three losses.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I dont find that disturbing at all, I find it promising, I think Brady can and will play better and some of those tipped passes are unlucky breaks.
If they play a clean game they can and probably will beat anyone.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Sooner or later he will start to play better..hopefully it is this week

 

[Joker]

C'mon...I'm a huge unabashed homer...deep inside your heart of hearts do you really think Brady is suddenly going to sharpen his game up to previous years' levels??

I brought this up a couple of days ago...if Brady and the offense do NOT adjust to Wrecksie's deviant "amoeba" defense, the result will be a carbon copy of last year's playoff. If the Pats don't RUN at this defensive set every time the fat blubbermouth calls it, he'll use it continually the entire game.

Get the Rats in a straight man on man football game, and Brady and Co. have a chance...let these mooks walk all over the line presnap and then rush 3 men from one end and drop the LB on a WR at the line and all the rest of that deviance without attacking its' weaknesses and the Pats are in big trouble...like double digit loss trouble.

 

[ATippett56]

Run the football and remain a balanced offensive attack. The last time the New England Patriots won the Super Bowl, the New England Patriots offense ran the ball more often in the regular season than passed the ball.

 

[Yehoodi]

As researched by Ian Rapaport:

Brady's 10 INT's has resulted in FORTY points for the opponent's offense.

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great points Pysco, but for me the points of TOs is kind of overrated . . . for me it is more important where the TO happened . . . for instance a pick 6 can be clearly correlated directly to the TO . . . however if one is driving on the oppoents 42 yard line and it is 3rd and 10 and you throw a pick at the 14 yard line, it is the same as an incomplete pass . . . if the opponent then takes the ball from teh 14 and scores it goes under "points off TO" but in reality it really isnt points off a TO . . .

now it would be something different if you fumble or throw a pick on your side of the field putting the team in FG range and a chance for a TD . . .

so really it would be good to look at the TOs and see which ones are pick 6s, TOs in our side of the field and TOs on their side of the field . . .

my two cents . . .

for me i like to look beyond the absolute stat and see what the break down is . . .

 

[Jackson 2]

I say cut him now and have him take BB with him.

 

[Joker]

I say recognize his greatness, maximize his strengths and minimize exposure of his weak points...like, say, Denver did with Elway at 37 and 38 years old. Offensive balance MUST be taken into consideration, if not this season then surely the next one.

 

[Jackson 2]

I say recognize his greatness, maximize his strengths and minimize exposure of his weak points...like, say, Denver did with Elway at 37 and 38 years old. Offensive balance MUST be taken into consideration, if not this season then surely the next one.

I don't think he's lost one iota - I think he's hurt.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

C'mon...I'm a huge unabashed homer...deep inside your heart of hearts do you really think Brady is suddenly going to sharpen his game up to previous years' levels??

I brought this up a couple of days ago...if Brady and the offense do NOT adjust to Wrecksie's deviant "amoeba" defense, the result will be a carbon copy of last year's playoff. If the Pats don't RUN at this defensive set every time the fat blubbermouth calls it, he'll use it continually the entire game.

Get the Rats in a straight man on man football game, and Brady and Co. have a chance...let these mooks walk all over the line presnap and then rush 3 men from one end and drop the LB on a WR at the line and all the rest of that deviance without attacking its' weaknesses and the Pats are in big trouble...like double digit loss trouble.

Yes, that would be the way to play the Jets this week but for the remaining games he has to tighten things up and hopefully the tips will fall on the ground instead of off two defenders hands for an interception.

 

[Joker]

I don't think he's lost one iota - I think he's hurt.

I was at the Ravens playoff game...Brady looked horrible...thought it was the mind numbing cold but NO ONE knew he had three different serious injuries. The finger stuff was ridiculous..to the point that I wondered later on why BB didn't go to the bench...but then, when you think about it, that is probably the last thing BB would do. Brady got us there, it was his game to ask out of if he couldn't go.

You very well could be right. Brady's accuracy is worse than a kid's slingshot right now...whereas he was fine to start the season...guess we'll find out when the Berlin Walltriot comes down.

 

[ATippett56]

You very well could be right. Brady's accuracy is worse than a kid's slingshot right now...whereas he was fine to start the season...guess we'll find out when the Berlin Walltriot comes down.

Tom Brady played with a sports hernia in 2005. The press was not notified until after the season.

 

[Sciz]

Bedard said that Brady has some band on his elbow that is used for tennis elbow. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the problem, considering that we saw him icing his elbow and his accuracy has been bad since then. I just don't know how they can get away with not putting him on the injury report.

 

[Fencer]

I question the original stat. When Brady throws an INT in the end zone that results in a touchback, and the opposing team scores, people count that as "giving up points off of a Brady turnover". And I think they're wrong to do so.

Had Brady not thrown the INT, the opponents would presumably have gotten the ball with similarly good field position, off of a kickoff (presumably) or maybe a missed FG (arggh).

 

[Sciz]

I don't even care about the points off turnovers thing. He gave up a pick-6 to the Bills and they lost by 3. He was strip-sacked and the ball was recovered at the Giants' 10. They got the TD and they lost by 4. Forget all the Sergio Brown blame. Neither of his PIs matter if Brady is playing at late 2010 level.

 

[jmt57]

I agree with others that television commentators' fascination with 'points off turnovers' as part of their in-game and half time analysis is overstated. However, that does not mean that the correlation between points and turnovers should be ignored.

Look at the possible outcomes from a turnover:

1. Offense fails to score 7 points
2. Offense fails to score 3 points
3. Opposing offense scores 7 points
4. Opposing offense scores 3 points
5. Turnover has zero effect

That is five scenarios totaling 20 points; 20 divided by five equals four. Not exactly a scientific analysis, but I've been looking at a turnover as equal to about four points for a while now.


Which lo and behold, is the same as the number per pick that Patspsycho came up with back in the original post in this thread - though we took different paths to get there.

Brady's 10 INT's has resulted in FORTY points for the opponent's offense.

 

[Joker]

I like to "keep it simple stupid"..win the turnover battle, strive for ZERO turnovers...win 80% of the time

 

[ATippett56]

I don't think he's lost one iota - I think he's hurt.

More reason to run the football this Sunday. Maybe Tom Brady's elbow hurts from throwing the football too much.