Vollmer returns to practice

[TheSolderKing]

In addition to being our current RT, Vollmer has experience at LT and did well there.
Solder did pretty darn well at RT vs. Miami.
And Light is still a good to very good LT as well.

Why not Line them up like this:

Vollmer (LT) Mankins (LG) Connelly (C) Waters (RG) Solder (RT)

If Solder gets hurt or starts to suck, slide over Vollmer to RT, put Light in at LT. If Vollmer needs time to ease back in because of his back, use him for a half, use Light for a half (at LT). This also keeps Light fresher throughout the season. If Vollmer gets hurt again, Light plays LT.

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[Deus Irae]

Who's "we"... you got a mouse in your pocket? I'm just throwing out an idea- or should I check with you first?

We had thread after thread involving it during the offseason. Perhaps your memory has failed you?

 

[Reckedtrek]

We had thread after thread involving it during the offseason. Perhaps your memory has failed you?

It must have been that I had you on ignore all spring and summer. In fact I just took you off a week ago and you're still the same. Back to ignore you go.

 

[Deus Irae]

It must have been that I had you on ignore all spring and summer. In fact I just took you off a week ago and you're still the same. Back to ignore you go.

Funny, but I'm not the only one who was involved in the discussion. I'm sure you can't read this through the "ignore" ( ), but your response was nonsensical and I didn't post anything here in response to you that would merit an ignore by any rational poster. So, since you're such a soft mind, I'll save you the trouble and put you on ignore so we won't cross paths in the future. I'd hate to damage your psyche by asking why we're covering such well worn topics as the issue of benching a still quality starter, and then asking if your memory has failed you again in the future. Such harsh posting might push you over the edge.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Vollmer back at practice.

This just got interesting.

Would I bench Solder after his performance, no?

Maybe a rotation of the 3 will keep everyone fresh and get Vollmer back to full pace slowly.

I thought solder played well against wake. With koppen out, will be good to have more options on oline with vollmer back.

 

[bigfandan]

Light at $6.5MM is too much to sit on bench... Light is at his peak; Solder can afford time to learn the scheme as a part-time non starter.

In addition to being our current RT, Vollmer has experience at LT and did well there.
Solder did pretty darn well at RT vs. Miami.
And Light is still a good to very good LT as well.

Why not Line them up like this:

Vollmer (LT) Mankins (LG) Connelly (C) Waters (RG) Solder (RT)

If Solder gets hurt or starts to suck, slide over Vollmer to RT, put Light in at LT. If Vollmer needs time to ease back in because of his back, use him for a half, use Light for a half (at LT). This also keeps Light fresher throughout the season. If Vollmer gets hurt again, Light plays LT.

 

[satz]

It's not complicated; there aren't a lot of 300 pounders who can pass rush from the an end spot. Even if you push Solder back a lot you're not getting to the QB fast enough.

Its not about sacks but qb pressure. Once you get a tackle moving backwards you can holding or false start. Also if you do it enough you can make moves to break through when leverage is lost.

satz

 

[signbabybrady]

In addition to being our current RT, Vollmer has experience at LT and did well there.
Solder did pretty darn well at RT vs. Miami.
And Light is still a good to very good LT as well.

Why not Line them up like this:

Vollmer (LT) Mankins (LG) Connelly (C) Waters (RG) Solder (RT)

If Solder gets hurt or starts to suck, slide over Vollmer to RT, put Light in at LT. If Vollmer needs time to ease back in because of his back, use him for a half, use Light for a half (at LT). This also keeps Light fresher throughout the season. If Vollmer gets hurt again, Light plays LT.

I see where you are going with this but I see two flaws in it.

First we are persumably grooming Solder to be the LT of the future. So why would we give him any more reps at RT than we actually need to based on injury. And If Solder is the LT of the future why would we move Volmer to LT if it is only going to be short term just let him continue to develope on the right.

Second this assumes that Light is the 3rd best of the three and I just dont see that as the case yet. Solder had a good game and stood up admirably to Wake but I would also say that he gave up more pressure than Light did.

My opinion is there is no need to rush this we have 3 good tackles and that is not a problem. Let Light continue to start at LT and Volmer at RT and let Solder continue to practice giving him a few reps a game to give Light a breather and hopefully at some point this year Solder passes Light and becomes the starter but I would think week 2 is a little early for that. The only reason I would move Volmer to LT now is if Solder struggles there but that wouldnt be for another year so long as Light stays healthy.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'd like to see a formation like this at times. Solder at TE on the left side next to Light. Gronk as the TE on the right. 2 Wr's. And, just run the ball down their throats. As the safeties cheat up you can just hit Gronk on a seam pattern over the safety coming up. Or, you have your wr's in one on one situations. This might actually be a good formation to get Ochocinco into the mix. Not going to be very complicated. Smash mouth. Followed by play actions. He's just going to have to beat his guy one on one.

Ummm can solder catch? I think a rotation with Solder and Light might be a better idea. Just to keep the OL fresh. Vollmer practicing again is good news, but does this means he's gonna be ready to play by next week?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Ummm can solder catch? I think a rotation with Solder and Light might be a better idea. Just to keep the OL fresh. Vollmer practicing again is good news, but does this means he's gonna be ready to play by next week?

That is true, since Solder did so well, BB is afforded the luxury of NOT rushing Vollmer back and waiting until Vollmer is 100%.

Remember Vollmer had back surgery in college and missed a year, this might be a great time to make sure he is fully healed.

 

[The-Hooded-One]

Ummm can solder catch? I think a rotation with Solder and Light might be a better idea. Just to keep the OL fresh. Vollmer practicing again is good news, but does this means he's gonna be ready to play by next week?

He actually went into Colorado as a TE I believe, but he doesn't have to catch to line up at TE. He would be there as a run blocker or to set the defense up for play action. And maybe you could use him for some trickeration on the goalline.

 

[VJCPatriot]

That is true, since Solder did so well, BB is afforded the luxury of NOT rushing Vollmer back and waiting until Vollmer is 100%.

Remember Vollmer had back surgery in college and missed a year, this might be a great time to make sure he is fully healed.

Agreed. I'd rather play it safe and make sure vollmer is 100% first. We're already thin at the tackle position. Solder looked competent out there, so let's give Vollmer the time he needs to get healthy first.

 

[The Scrizz]

Its not about sacks but qb pressure. Once you get a tackle moving backwards you can holding or false start. Also if you do it enough you can make moves to break through when leverage is lost.

satz

Is there any evidence that Solder wouldn't be able to handle 95% of DT's? I guess if they're lining Seymour, Suh, or Ngata up against him he'd need some help but which DT on say the Chargers is both strong enough and fast enough to line up at rush end and be any sort of bother for Brady?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Is there any evidence that Solder wouldn't be able to handle 95% of DT's? I guess if they're lining Seymour, Suh, or Ngata up against him he'd need some help but which DT on say the Chargers is both strong enough and fast enough to line up at rush end and be any sort of bother for Brady?

In the Chargers 3-4, the biggest issue Solder would have is negating the first quick step from the Chargers OLB's.

Yes he is athletic enough to do it, but can he keep his technique and especially keep his shoulders square on the pass rusher? If he turns even the slightest, the OLB will eat him whole.

 

[HomerSchooled]

This is an interesting issue, and probably a good problem to have. Though I'm eager to see Solder at LT, the Chargers have a fine D, and it may be better to ease him in against lesser competition. Then again, Light had a conspicuously poor effort in SD last season, if I recall correctly. We allowed 4 sacks (most of any regular season game all year) and had a bad day running the ball, but obviously the blame for that has to be spread around.

I think it's best to err on the side of caution, and play Light and Vollmer so long as both are healthy. If either Light or Vollmer are ever struggling, hurt, or less than 100% for any reason, throw Solder in without a second thought. Maybe I'd consider giving Solder a chance at LT against one of the weaker DLs on our schedule. @ Buffalo would make sense. If he has even the slightest issue, then throw Light back in. If he dominates, then let him ride until he doesn't.

I think we're in a position where we shouldn't tolerate mediocrity at either Tackle spot. With Light, Vollmer, and Solder all gunning for a starting reps, hopefully we'll get everyone's best week in and week out. In the meantime, Solder should make for a heck of a blocking TE.

 

[The Scrizz]

In the Chargers 3-4, the biggest issue Solder would have is negating the first quick step from the Chargers OLB's.

Yes he is athletic enough to do it, but can he keep his technique and especially keep his shoulders square on the pass rusher? If he turns even the slightest, the OLB will eat him whole.

He did a damn fine job keeping his technique last week.

And I was responding directly to the poster who thought he could negate Solder by simply sticking a DT in front of him and bull-rushing him every time.

Regardless, I have a strong suspicion that if Vollmer starts it will be Solder on the bench subbing in at times.

As someone else mentioned, nice problem to have.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Is there any evidence that Solder wouldn't be able to handle 95% of DT's? QUOTE]

No, there's no evidence on him not being able to handle DTs at all since he hasnt gone up against any, but that also means there's no evidence indicating that he can handle DTs.

 

[BB4PRez]

This is an interesting issue, and probably a good problem to have. Though I'm eager to see Solder at LT, the Chargers have a fine D, and it may be better to ease him in against lesser competition. Then again, Light had a conspicuously poor effort in SD last season, if I recall correctly. We allowed 4 sacks (most of any regular season game all year) and had a bad day running the ball, but obviously the blame for that has to be spread around.

I think it's best to err on the side of caution, and play Light and Vollmer so long as both are healthy. If either Light or Vollmer are ever struggling, hurt, or less than 100% for any reason, throw Solder in without a second thought. Maybe I'd consider giving Solder a chance at LT against one of the weaker DLs on our schedule. @ Buffalo would make sense. If he has even the slightest issue, then throw Light back in. If he dominates, then let him ride until he doesn't.

I think we're in a position where we shouldn't tolerate mediocrity at either Tackle spot. With Light, Vollmer, and Solder all gunning for a starting reps, hopefully we'll get everyone's best week in and week out. In the meantime, Solder should make for a heck of a blocking TE.

Agree with this analysis and I think there are some pretty cool opportunities to have Solder and Gronk both lining up as TE. My only concern is that this would really be throwing a lot at Solder - learn LT, learn RT, practice at RG now learn some pays as a TE as well. I do think it would be great to have Solder in on goal line situations in 3 TE alligments with Gronk and Hernandez.

 

[The Scrizz]

Is there any evidence that Solder wouldn't be able to handle 95% of DT's? QUOTE]

No, there's no evidence on him not being able to handle DTs at all since he hasnt gone up against any, but that also means there's no evidence indicating that he can handle DTs.

We could say that about most tackles because most defensive coordinators aren't out there saying "That tackle's tall and skinny, I'm going to put my fat, slow DT against him and see what happens."

If DC's want to start trying that as a game plan I have confidence that it will fail.

 

[Snake Eyes]

We could say that about most tackles because most defensive coordinators aren't out there saying "That tackle's tall and skinny, I'm going to put my fat, slow DT against him and see what happens."

If DC's want to start trying that as a game plan I have confidence that it will fail.

Having confidence in something is very different than having evidence of something. You're likely correct that they won't throw a D-tackle against offensive tackle, I think it's because it's too out of the box for most coaches but I know who I'd have my money on in a match-up between Wilfork and Solder.