Pats release vet backup OL Mark LeVoir

[OhExaulted1]

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Classic? I used it as an example. It's an obvious example of not replacing a player.

As for the rest, I think the approximately 540,000,000 times it's been discussed on this site is enough. You might have noticed that I didn't bring it up as a trade issue or any of that stuff had you not been too busy trying to bust my balls to actually read what my post was about.

There haven't been 540 million posts on this site yet. Your #'s are innacurate.

 

[OhExaulted1]

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On a serious note Maneri was thrashing guys against the Jags. I only saw him on the left side so I don't know if he can be a "swing guy". I hope he makes the cut because I don't see him clearing waivers.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Sanders- I hated his coverage basically since 05. Hes gotten better every year but i think he has peaked and rather give someone else a chance(i know our depth is shaky but it has to happen at some point).

So, basically, you've ignored the last 5 years of his development and the fact he's a team leader back there at the safety position. Then you think that there is some magical person who can come in and do a better job... :bricks:

Koppen- This is an interesting cut for me because i like him alot actually. But I have been watching wendell for awhile and I think he could replace him and slightly improve our run game. Most people are expecting him to be replaced next year by Brewster, im just doing it a year early.

Koppen will be replaced next year. Whether it's by Brewster, Jones or someone else. Dante and BB don't share your faith in Wendell otherwise he'd be the starter. And Wendell isn't nearly as good a runblocker as Koppen.

BJGE- His mediocrity annoys me to no end. I feel that we have not won any games because of him besides the Vikings game. And hes not much of a factor in the pass game. Lastly, his no fumbling thing is extremely overblown and i'll tell you why. Most backs fumble when they are hit in the backfield or when they are trying to make a move when they get some daylight. We have a good line so backfield tackles aren't really an issue and he rarely makes it to the second level. Before Lomo completely sucked he went a long time without a fumble also and I also think its because he rarely got to the second level. He was busy running into olinemens backs. When BJGE runs, no matter how big the hole I expect a five yard gain at most. Ridley is not that fast but he ran some effective tosses. I cringe at the the thought of BJGE beating anyone to the corner.

You clearly don't understand the definition of mediocrity. It means AVERAGE. BJGE is above average. Just because you don't understand the definition doesn't change that. And who cares if he's not a factor in the passing game. The Pats have 5 guys in Branch, OchoCinco, Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski who ARE.

As for what your expectations are, who cares. They clearly are outta whack. For instance, BJGE actually runs his best OUTSIDE the tackles... As is noted by his 40 runs for 225 yards. A 5.625 YPC.

Does BJGE have breakaway speed like Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson? No. But so what. He has never fumbled. In college or in the Pros. I could understand your b!tching and moaning if BGJE had a 3.7 YPC. But he's got a 4.4 YPC. That's nothing to sneer at.

Your expectations are clearly outta whack.

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

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Tomorrow we'll know who picks up Levoir on waivers. He does NOT get past the Jets.

 

[OhExaulted1]

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Oh Lord doesntmatter, you just opened up a can of hijack. But since you brought up Koppen I don't know why people knock him so much. He kind of reminds me of Becketts binkie Varitek if anyone can stomach the baseball reference. He's been steady as can be and I think if Brady didn't want to take snaps from him he'd be gone.

 

[patchick]

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You clearly don't understand the definition of mediocrity. It means AVERAGE.

Umm...no it doesn't. Mediocre is worse than average -- it means of low to moderate quality, or barely adequate. So the slam on BJGE was even worse than you made it out to be.

In football terms, "mediocre" is a JAG -- the guys who cycle through the bottom of the roster and who are easily replaced. I've never been a big BJGE booster, but he's clearly better than that. I'd call him a solid, valuable role player. (However, in the draft I was eager to see the Pats pick up an RB who could play ALL of the roles well enough to make the offense more unpredictable...and they got two of them. So I'm afraid LawFirm may have the back luck to head into free agency on the heels of a season where his touches are greatly reduced.)

 

[NEPatriot]

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Tomorrow we'll know who picks up Levoir on waivers. He does NOT get past the Jets.

I think you're right. Anyone but the Jets. I think if he played well at guard the other night he might still be on the roster.

 

[ausbacker]

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Case closed.

Forget Patfanken's detailed reasoning.

Deus Irae has issued his ruling. And, although Deus was the one to first broach the subject in this thread (post #41), he "isn't going to debate it again".

Classic.

There's merit to both ken's and Deus' opinion on the Seymour matter. The Patriots got good value (IMO) for him and have jettisoned that value into roster development. On the flip side, we've been searching for a high impact Seymour replacement since the Patriots traded him.

Seems juvenile to say one or the other is wrong given they're both right to an extent.

 

[spacecrime]

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So, Solder who was drafted to start at LT when he is ready should start at RT? WHy not RG? or Center? After all, Solder is a future pro-bowler?

When threads go bad...

 

[NinjaZX6R]

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Since we are all talking about cuts....

use that site to predict your roster...it's awesome.

PATS PICKER

 

[spacecrime]

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There's merit to both ken's and Deus' opinion on the Seymour matter. The Patriots got good value (IMO) for him and have jettisoned that value into roster development. On the flip side, we've been searching for a high impact Seymour replacement since the Patriots traded him.

Seems juvenile to say one or the other is wrong given they're both right to an extent.

I think it is wrong to say that trading Seymour cost us two years of his services when he was only under contract for one year. That is the point Ken made. There isn't any way Seymour was going to sign a one-year deal. Traded away one year of Seymour for five years of Solder.

Good or bad trade?

 

[Ron Sellers]

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92 comments and still going strong; the commentary on this thread may be the highlight of Mark LeVoir's NFL career.

 

[ausbacker]

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I think it is wrong to say that trading Seymour cost us two years of his services when he was only under contract for one year. That is the point Ken made. There isn't any way Seymour was going to sign a one-year deal. Traded away one year of Seymour for five years of Solder.

Good or bad trade?

I don't because we don't know what Seymour would or would not have done (it's all speculation). There was a large proportion of people who thought Mankins was 1 and done last season. He's got a new deal now. It's folly to make an assumption on what may happen when the opportunity for the scenario never occurred.

This is my position, short term I don't think it was a good trade for the Patriots, long term I think it was a good trade for the Patriots. It's over to Solder to prove that.

 

[italia44]

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92 comments and still going strong; the commentary on this thread may be the highlight of Mark LeVoir's NFL career.

......wait 'till AJ chimes in,then you'll be begging for the Reader's Digest condensed version(lol). :rocker:

 

[patfanken]

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I don't because we don't know what Seymour would or would not have done (it's all speculation). There was a large proportion of people who thought Mankins was 1 and done last season. He's got a new deal now. It's folly to make an assumption on what may happen when the opportunity for the scenario never occurred.

This is my position, short term I don't think it was a good trade for the Patriots, long term I think it was a good trade for the Patriots. It's over to Solder to prove that.

I don't think the Mankins example applies here. While we don't "know", there was enough evidence that he didn't WANT to come to make it a viable possibility. And like I said, if you choose to ignore that, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that signing Seymour to the kind of deal he eventually signed in Oakland would have made it difficult to sign Brady, Wilfolk, and now Mankins Quite simply, the Pats could afford to sign only 1 of the 2 impact DLmen due big contracts. They chose the younger guy, who played the more difficult position, and was less injury prone.

What BB didn't foresee was having TWarren end up not being as effective playing hurt most of 2009. and not playing at all in 2010.

You are right ausie, it WAS a short term one year hit, but it was a necessary one for the long term health of the franchise

 

[patfanken]

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MG, if I read your posts correctly, you are not so much upset about LeVoir being cut as much as the timing of the event. Is that correct? That's a reasonable question. I can think of 3 possible reasons that it was done now

1. As someone mentioned, LeVoir wasn't showing that he was progressing. But being a 6 year vet, BB gave him the courtesy of cutting him early so he might catch on with another team
2; Maneri and/or some other members of Dan'te's development squad passed him
3. In a camp with this many guys, snaps are at a premium. IF BB felt that it was unlikely that LeVoir would make the team, it would be best to cut him now, so there would be more meaningful reps for the guys who are left.

My only concern about the cut, is that he might end up on the Jets. I'd think he'd be a decent option for them to replace Turner

 

[Off The Grid]

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[ausbacker]

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I don't think the Mankins example applies here. While we don't "know", there was enough evidence that he didn't WANT to come to make it a viable possibility. And like I said, if you choose to ignore that, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that signing Seymour to the kind of deal he eventually signed in Oakland would have made it difficult to sign Brady, Wilfolk, and now Mankins Quite simply, the Pats could afford to sign only 1 of the 2 impact DLmen due big contracts. They chose the younger guy, who played the more difficult position, and was less injury prone.

What BB didn't foresee was having TWarren end up not being as effective playing hurt most of 2009. and not playing at all in 2010.

You are right ausie, it WAS a short term one year hit, but it was a necessary one for the long term health of the franchise

The Mankins example does have its place in this discussion when discussing the composition of a roster and the subjective assessment of dollars assigned compared against value and production.

The Patriots could have signed Seymour much the same as they could have traded Mankins. It's not a prudent position to make the comment that something doesn't apply when both were speculative decisions with a myriad of outcomes.

As for Levoir, if Maneri's play has beaten him out then so be it.

 

[Off The Grid]

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Oh Lord doesntmatter, you just opened up a can of hijack.

OK, that MUST have been said, before ~ and 8 million times, probably!! ~ but that's the first time I'VE seen that line, and it is GREAT!!! :rocker: :rocker:

But since you brought up Koppen I don't know why people knock him so much. He kind of reminds me of Becketts binkie Varitek if anyone can stomach the baseball reference.

He's been steady as can be and I think if Brady didn't want to take snaps from him he'd be gone.

GREAT analogy!!

And I can only speak for myself, but I don't believe you can HAVE too many Cross Cultural References...adds FLAVOR, baby.

 

[shmessy]

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There's merit to both ken's and Deus' opinion on the Seymour matter. The Patriots got good value (IMO) for him and have jettisoned that value into roster development. On the flip side, we've been searching for a high impact Seymour replacement since the Patriots traded him.

Seems juvenile to say one or the other is wrong given they're both right to an extent.

Read it again, because you obviously miscomprehended.

I never said that one was right and the other was wrong. Please show me where I did.

I said that one broached the subject, and when the other responded with reason and rational, the first wrote that he didn't want to talk about it. It's hilarious to bring up a subject and then say 'I don't want to talk about it'.

It is what it is.