Does New England want to trade up to ten?

[furley]

Here's a question, would you rather trade the seventeenth, sixtieth and seventy-fourth picks to Washington for the tenth pick, or the twenty-eighth and sixtieth picks to Denver for the thirty-sixth and forty-sixth picks.

I like the latter choice more because that would give Belichick three selections among the top fifteen picks in the second round. And you still would own the seventeenth pick to either keep or trade.

 

[Sciz]

Here's a question, would you rather trade the seventeenth, sixtieth and seventy-fourth picks to Washington for the tenth pick, or the twenty-eighth and sixtieth picks to Denver for the thirty-sixth and forty-sixth picks.

I like the latter choice more because that would give Belichick three selections among the top fifteen picks in the second round. And you still would own the seventeenth pick to either keep or trade.

I'd rather trade up from 17 and down/out from 28 and 33.

 

[Fencer]

Quinn makes sense... However, there isn't a team selecting before ten that would select either Watt or Jordan, nor at picks eleven through fifteen. Unless you're convinced that Houston would select Watt. But, what if they select Amukamara instead? Or, what if Tennessee passes on Fairley? I can see Houston taking him [Fairley] at eleven.

Amakura is the obvious non-DE, since he's been in for a visit, and since he addresses a known team problem (passing defense).

 

[manxman2601]

I could believe it if it were for Jones, not for Kerrigan. I mean which team would select Kerrigan at 10

Reading Texans message boards, they think the Texans will be all over Kerrigan. The organisation likes 4 year high character guys which makes Kerrigan an obvious fit and they have a big need at OLB. And then there's the Vikings @12. Wes Bunting is reporting that the Vikes could be going DE in the first and specifically mentions Bowers, Quinn and Kerrigan as the possibilities.

All speculation of course, but we'll be risking things if we rely on Kerrigan making it to 17.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

If we could convince a team like Washington to take a package of 28, it would probably include 60 and both our 3rds to get it done. That might get us to ten, but then we'd probably still have to maneuver to get 17 a couple spots ahead. Our 4th round pick might do that.

Washington is currently under new management with Shanahan, but the guy paying for the groceries is also known for his willingness to change kitchen staff in mid-stream and buying expensive junk because he likes the label. Shanahan may want more picks in the mid-rounds, but his boss isn't that patient, he's not going to sign-off on a trade from 10 to 28 in round one regardless of Shanny trying to sell him they can trade back up to get their man. Washington didn't trade all those draft picks away for busted veterans with names all those years without the driving force being a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur.

NE might be able to use #17 & change to move up to #10 if Shanny has a specific guy in mind who won't be gone (QB seems most logical). #28 isn't even on the table unless Shanny tries to extort both firsts from NE in a bidding war.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Reading Texans message boards, they think the Texans will be all over Kerrigan. The organisation likes 4 year high character guys which makes Kerrigan an obvious fit and they have a big need at OLB. And then there's the Vikings @12. Wes Bunting is reporting that the Vikes could be going DE in the first and specifically mentions Bowers, Quinn and Kerrigan as the possibilities.

All speculation of course, but we'll be risking things if we rely on Kerrigan making it to 17.

With Bunting reporting it Minnesota is sure to be targeting a QB or Punter. :bricks:

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I doubt Amukamara would be in our sights. Are we replacing Meriweather with him? There isn't enough value in this draft to make a move for a guy who can't cover effectively....

Um, Amukamara can't cover effectively?

 

[bucky]

In accordance to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart, If New England desired to trade up for the tenth pick, trading the seventeenth and twenty-eighth picks or the seventeenth and thirty-third picks are too much. And trading the twenty-eighth, thirty-third and sixtieth picks are too much as well.

Hmmm... And the twenty-eighth and thirty-third picks are slightly less than equal value.

Nonetheless, in my mind I don't want the tenth pick. Because I doubt Watt is on New England's board due to him having Tom Condon as his agent, and Jordan could be available at seventeen depending on what Jacksonville does.

NFL Draft Pick Value Calculator

17, 74 and 92 are almost a perfect match for 10. That works out well cause the Skins are missing 3rd and 4th rounders this year.

Another possibility is 17, 28 and 94 for 10 and 41. That would put the Skins in position to draft a QB at 28.

As for "who" BB would want, I think it's Jordan - if he lasts till 10.

 

[Fencer]

The easy trade on the value chart is 28 & 33 for 10. We might even get something minor back. That chart is NOT set in stone, to put it mildly.

Getting Kerrigan at or from 17 might be pretty straightforward as well, for those want him.

However, that leaves enough chips for non-premium OL guys, an RB longshot, and not all that much else. But that could be OK -- OL and RB are the only offensive areas that need youth infusions; we have Brady at QB and 5 recent additions at TE & WR. (Plus Slater and so on.)

 

[manxman2601]

With Bunting reporting it Minnesota is sure to be targeting a QB or Punter. :bricks:

Yes, he does seem to often be at variance with the draftnik consensus

 

[patsinthesnow]

If the pats trade up for Quinn I'll be ecstatic. The day of bad OLBs would be over with 2nd year Cunningham and stud Quinn starting.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Yes, he does seem to often be at variance with the draftnik consensus

He's nearly as good at passing along rumors and misinformation as Nolan Nawrocki.

 

[manxman2601]

He's nearly as good at passing along rumors and misinformation as Nolan Nawrocki.

Is there a good independent source? I know Mayock and Casserly are oft mentioned, but one is paywalled and the other focuses largely on the top 10 picks at nfl.com. Have there been studies into who are the most reliable draftniks?

 

[mgteich]

I am fine with trading up to 10 to get who Belichick wants. All the spots from 10-15 should be available for teams to trade into. Trading up to ten would assure Belichick of a fine choice.

For me, I would be fine with trading up for Watt, Jordan, Jones or Quinn.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Is there a good independent source? I know Mayock and Casserly are oft mentioned, but one is paywalled and the other focuses largely on the top 10 picks at nfl.com. Have there been studies into who are the most reliable draftniks?

This time of year ... Adam Schefter and Rich Gosselin are about the best there are, Mayock gets caught in it and Casserly is an inveterate gossip.

 

[Water Boy]

I'd be very comfortable, from what I understand about Kerrigan, that HE will be the kind of guy who will do the work to become better. If in his rookie year he doesn't set the edge well, I'm pretty sure that by the time he's done with the Pats it will be something he does well.

I don't think there is too much concern about Kerrigan setting the edge. I think the bigger concern is wether or not he can play in space.

 

[furley]

If Quinn is selected to be New England's other starting outside linebacker, is that wise if this draft is supposed to be deep at defensive linemen. I thought the idea was for him to be your defensive end. Besides, Aldon Smith could still be there at seventeen. It has been said that he could possibly be able to convert to outside linebacker in a 3-4.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Newton and Gabbert are locks as top 5 picks. Washington at 10 and Minnesota at 12 are the key to this draft. If one of them blinks and drafts Locker, that pushes another good player down to the Pats at 17. I have a feeling they will get their choice of defensive end at 17.

 

[Marqui]

If the pats trade up for Quinn I'll be ecstatic. The day of bad OLBs would be over with 2nd year Cunningham and stud Quinn starting.

I'll do a backflip if they trade up for Quinn.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'll do a backflip if they trade up for Quinn.

Can you really do a backflip? I mean without hurting yourself.
Honestly, I think Quinn is overhyped. He has big red flags for me. 1 year out of football due to disciplinary issues then showing up at the Combine out of shape doesn't show the desire or the production. Could be another 1 year wonder guy for all we know.