You might want to tell yourself that when you are only using the last 11 games for your comparison of the Jets and Patriots defenses. And also when you are making an excuse for the poor play from the DL on Sunday night because they were on the field for so long
My discussion was about the last 11 games. That is the time period I was discussing. I accept they were not as good the first 3. That is not selectively picking games that is assessing a time period from the point they started to 'get it'.
For the third time, I am not making excuses, I am stating that the run D was the biggest issue, and they were short handed. They played how they played, that is not excusing them, but to say that play is what you will see with injured players back is short sighted.
The Patriots only have a 6 takeaway advantage over the Pats for the year. Take that for what its worth, it isnt that big of an advantage.
Of course it is. Turnover differential correlates to winning better than any other stat. The difference is more than 25%, that is huge. Those 6 additional turnovers have an awful lot to do with the 2 game advantage the Patriots have.
I never said that you said the Jets defense sucked. You told me that the Patriots defense is better than the Jets.
Hey Strawman. you know that is not what I said.
Earlier you said that the Patriots defense was average, so by that you are saying that the Jets defense is below average.
Strawman
You are pointing out points, is that the only thing that makes a good defense? What about yards allowed? Thats an important stat too. See you cannot pick and choose the stats that you want and dont want.
Points is what decides games. Unless you get your way and statistics or a poll of the crowd decide who wins, points are the statistic that matters. Are you seriously going to tell me you would rather allow more points and less yards?
I am using the stats that matter.
1) The TRUE indicator of what you allowed the other offense to do that really mattered...points
2) Taking the ball away, which allows your offense or defense to score more points
3) When you allow those points.
Do you really think yards matter more than that?
In total defense the Jets are 5th, the Pats are 28th. Against the pass the Jets are 9th, the Pats are 30th. Against the run the Jets are 4th, the Pats are 16th. In points per game the Jets are 5th, the Pats are 16th. All of the major defense stat categories the Jets have a clear advantage over the Patriots. How can you say that I am wrong when I say that the Jets defense is better than the Patriots?
I ASKED if you want to reconsider your comment that only an 'absolute moron' would say the Patriots defense is better than the Jets and would lose all credibility by saying so, after showing you AREAS AND WAYS IN WHICH THE PATRIOTS DEFENSE HAS BEEN BETTER.
Again, Mr Strawman, I did not say the Patriots defense was better, I disputed your comment that ONLY A MORON would say so, by showing you how an intelligent person could show evidence of that claim.
That is their own fault though. They allowed the Packers to convert with such high efficiency on 3rd down and kept them on the field for so long. Missing half its run defenders? Mike Wright, Ron Brace and Brandon Spikes are half the Patriots run defenders? Interesting.
Are you 3? They have injuries and you say that is their own fault? Duh, who said it was someone elses.
You did not list Pryor or Deadrick who also missed most of the game.
If you want to project that the way they played with 3 healthy DL and using a 260 lb OLB at DE most of the game, and having no choice but to leave Wilfork out there 75 plays to how they will play when 3 more DLs are available, go ahead, but you might as well start another long thread on what will happen to the passing game if Welker and Branch both get hurt and cant play.
Flynn was pretty efficient out there, I would say that for the majority of the game Flynn made the Pats look bad rather than the Pats making Flynn look bad.
As I said, aside from one play, his net yards per pass were 4, which is very, very low. Without a strong running game, he really wouldnt have moved the ball.
He is a back up quarterback that was making his first career start.
And he read the defense and threw to the man the play called for. Do you expect him to drop back and pee his pants?
With a defense that is better than the Jets (as you claim) how did they give up 27 points? The Jets only gave up 9 and they actually had Rodgers playing quarterback.
Strawman.
By the way, the Jets lost that game, not that winning or losing means anything to you.
I can agree with you with that, but does giving up the lead neglect the fact that the defense got a pick-6 in overtime? They still made that play.
You are arguing that allowing the other team to tie the game and send it to overtime then getting a pick 6 is the same or even better than stopping the other team and not allowing them to tie the game. Thats just flat out stupid.
There is a tremendous difference between succeeding and failing but then making up for the failure later.
You are changing what you said around again. This argument was about playing in the 4th quarter of tight games, not playing well in the 2nd half where the offense gets you a double digit lead.
Dude, this isnt an argument. This is you searching for things that you can criticize the Patriots defense about and project into a playoff loss, and me redirecting the discussion to what matters.
My point is that the Patriot defense has done its job consistently in protecting leads, and in allowing the offense to expand leads. They have not allowed a 4th quarter tying or go ahead score all season. They keep the other team off the board so the offense can expand the lead.
Spare me the technical debate line drawing. You keep arguing against things I never said and saying I said them, even after I point it out 5 times. Telling me what my argument is about is hilarious at this point.
Any quarter where you give up 17 points is not playing well.
You just tried to give Bmore credit for an OT pick 6 after blowing a 21 point 4th quarter lead.
You, who said turnovers are a cheap way to stop a team that shouldnt count. Now the fact that the Patriots allowed points but stopped them before they could tie or go ahead is not playing well?????? You have different rules for the Patriots and everyone else.
Buffalo the Patriots defense was never on the field without a double digit lead in the 4th.
So. I have pointed out numerous cases where teams you are ballwashing lost double digit leads. You now say that a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter is insurmountable and stopping them from making it a 1 score game, then a deficit is irrelevant?
I granted you the Detroit game.
You will be back to eliminating it from the count soon.
You are misquoting me again. Never did I say they didnt deserve to beat the Colts. I said a turnover bailed the Patriots out, that doesnt mean they didnt deserve to win.
Semantics.
][quoteThey played great the first 3 quarters of that game. I didnt say they didnt deserve to beat the Chargers, anytime you get up by 17 going into the 4th you played well the first 3 quarters, you just cant give up 17 4th quarter points and expect to win every week.[/quote]
You can if you build a 20 point lead.
I think this is the heart of your ignorance. I think you see football through the viewpoint of Madden. I think you believe that no matter what the score was, the Chargers would have done what they did in that 4th quarter. I think you fail to realize that the Patriot defense is going to play differently with a big lead than in a close game. You have to because you continue to dismiss their excellent performance in close games and imply that the things that happen when they have a big lead will happen when the game is close and ignore that there are examples of that exact scenario to draw from that show the opposite of what you are saying.
I just said the Jets did not play their best that week, I never came close to saying that the Jets would have won if they came to play.
You might as well. You said THAT WASNT THE REAL JETS. You asre picking every little negative in a Patriot WIN and projecting it as the doom that will end the season, but you give the Jets a pass for coming into their biggest game of the season and getting embarrassed, humiliated, manhandled and blown out 45-3 by the Patriots and call it a fluke by saying it would never happen again.
As for the time of possession, that was all in a bundle with the Packers out gaining the Patriots, having a 20 minute edge in TOP and committing less penalties than the Patriots. When all of that happens I would say that that team deserved to win the game, this past week that was the Packers and in mine and plenty of other Pats fans opinions the Packers deserved to win the game more than the Patriots.
And that is stupid. The team that scores the most points deserves to win. Not the team that does things better that do not lead to scoring more points. The game is decided by who scores more points. The team that does this deserves to win.
How can the Packers deserve to win when they have the opportunity to and do not? If they deserved to win, wouldnt they have scored again, or stopped the Patriots one more time?
Your argument is that if you got a better grade on a test than me, but I studied more, dressed better, arrived earlier, and was in a better mood, then I deserved a better grade. Its foolish.
