The Worst Defense in the History of the World...

[lostjumper]

The title for this thread seems over the top. I mean, have you watched tape on how the 1941 Germans walked around the French? Now that had to be the worst defense in the history of the world!

 

[ATippett56]

The Jets, Steelers and Bears wins were the best wins of the season, where the team deserved to win and were clearly the better team on that given day. Can you honestly say the Patriots deserved to win tonight based on their play?

While extremely frustrating to watch, the New England Patriots eventually won the game. Deserve to win has been a subjective matter for you.

 

[PatsDeb]

While extremely frustrating to watch, the New England Patriots eventually won the game. Deserve to win has been a subjective matter for you.

Yes, they deserved to win. They kept it close the whole game and then the D buckled down in the 4th quarter, and the O was able to mount 2 drives and score 10 points. So, despite playing less than their best game, they deserved to win.

 

[mb6592]

Calling this team's defense above average is overrating it.

You're obviously right. And, he's getting shat for pointing out that the defense was damn near horrid for most of last night, good grief.

 

[mb6592]

It's, perhaps, the worst pass defense in the NFL, and a below average rushing defense. I'm not sure how that translates into being above average.

But, to each his own.

I know it's tough to be a defense since Goodell entered the league and ruined this game (or should most of the blame go to Polian and the Colts after Law picked off Manning all those times in that playoff game and the league changed the very next year). Anyway, even in today's NFL I don't see this Pats defense as above average - not if above average equates to anything above good. At times, they can pass for good.

 

[ATippett56]

Yes, they deserved to win. They kept it close the whole game and then the D buckled down in the 4th quarter, and the O was able to mount 2 drives and score 10 points. So, despite playing less than their best game, they deserved to win.

Obviously the Patriots deserved to win, the final score was NE 31, GB 27! However, The Dynasty views it differently.

 

[PatsDeb]

Obviously the Patriots deserved to win, the final score was NE 31, GB 27! However, The Dynasty views it differently.

Yes, sorry - I should have responded to his post, not yours.

 

[ausbacker]

You're obviously right. And, he's getting shat for pointing out that the defense was damn near horrid for most of last night, good grief.

You clearly haven't bothered to read the thread in its entirety.

 

[RayClay]

Wat :bricks:

Tonight showed the exact opposite of that. The offense really scored 17 points. Another 7 came from a ridiculous ST play. The offense got to punch it in, but that was due to ST. And the defense got 7.

The defense played awful, but starting the 4th quarter, made a huge goal line stand to force GB to settle for a FG instead of a huge TD. In case you didn't notice, that difference was also the difference in the game.

The offense took over and kicked a field goal, but the team was still trailing.

The defense then shut down GB, forcing a 3-and-out.

The offense took over, and finally took the lead with a TD.

The defense then gave up one first down, then force a punt 3 plays later.

Then our offense went 3-and-out, setting up the final drive, where they managed to hold. The Packers ran 6 times for 23 yards. When passing, they went 3 for 4 for 22 yards, sacked twice, and had an INT called back. Hardly a poor performance.

The only reason it was so close to a TD was our offense's 3-and-out gave the ball back to GB at their own 43.

When the defense dominates, you complain they can't win a close game. When they get tested throughout a close game, you complain that they can't win when the offense is off. But they did. How you can make that claim after last night is beyond me. It was ugly, no doubt. But they turned it around in the 4th quarter of a close game and found a way.

You can say they sucked. Just don't say they can't win when the offense struggles RIGHT AFTER WE ALL SAW THEM DO IT.

He's been in "I'll defend my argument to the death" mode for a while. We could allow one touchdown playing with only 9 defenders due to injury and all that would matter was we didn't get the shutout.

I don't think the defense we had left after injuries played awful. I do believe our top run stopping linebacker and most of our DLine missing could tilt the balance to the other teams running game.

Our imaginary defense, with Brace, Wright, Pryor and Spikes playing had a terrible game.

The devastation? 143 total yds...3.8 yard average

Us? 113 yds. 7.1 yd. avg.

Apparently, we're supposed to shut out every team.

If one wants to make the argument our defense is undermanned, it should come with a solution, such as where do we find a ton of competent replacements in December?

 

[The Dynasty]

Wat :bricks:

Tonight showed the exact opposite of that. The offense really scored 17 points. Another 7 came from a ridiculous ST play. The offense got to punch it in, but that was due to ST. And the defense got 7.

The defense played awful, but starting the 4th quarter, made a huge goal line stand to force GB to settle for a FG instead of a huge TD. In case you didn't notice, that difference was also the difference in the game.

The offense took over and kicked a field goal, but the team was still trailing.

The defense then shut down GB, forcing a 3-and-out.

The offense took over, and finally took the lead with a TD.

The defense then gave up one first down, then force a punt 3 plays later.

Then our offense went 3-and-out, setting up the final drive, where they managed to hold. The Packers ran 6 times for 23 yards. When passing, they went 3 for 4 for 22 yards, sacked twice, and had an INT called back. Hardly a poor performance.

The only reason it was so close to a TD was our offense's 3-and-out gave the ball back to GB at their own 43.

When the defense dominates, you complain they can't win a close game. When they get tested throughout a close game, you complain that they can't win when the offense is off. But they did. How you can make that claim after last night is beyond me. It was ugly, no doubt. But they turned it around in the 4th quarter of a close game and found a way.

You can say they sucked. Just don't say they can't win when the offense struggles RIGHT AFTER WE ALL SAW THEM DO IT.

The were playing the Green Bay Packers who started a quarterback making his first ever start, and then coming into the game did not have a strong running attack because their leader went on IR in week 2. This would have been something if they played an offense that was actually legit, not one starting a QB who had never started an NFL game in his life. If this happened against the Ravens, Colts, Jets etc. I would give them all the credit in the world, but can you really give them credit for this performance?

 

[The Dynasty]

Of course they deserved to win, because they won.
Explain to me how the PAckers were more deserving of winnng this game, by losing it.

Well considering they completely dominated the game controlling TOP 40-19, outgaing the Patriots by 120 yards, only committing 2 penalties as opposed to the Patriots 7. If the Patriots were the Packers position I think a lot of people would be saying how they deserved to win that game. The Packers played better than the Patriots last night overall, it was just a turnover and a 72 yard kick return by a linemen and some poor coaching that really prevented the Packers from winning the game. As a whole the Packers outplayed the Patriots. How did the Patriots outplay the Packers?

 

[The Dynasty]

You clearly haven't bothered to read the thread in its entirety.

My point is that the Patriots are very vulnerable when the offense does not play like it has been playing for the majority of the season. Last nights game proves my point. The defense is just a little above average, and I dont think they can win a playoff game when the offense does not give them a double digit lead. If the Patriots played like they did last night against any playoff team do you really think they would win? I think BB would say no, he pretty much did last night and today in his pressers. The Patriots allowed the game vs. Matt Flynn and the Packers to come down to the last possession, that is fairly concerning.

 

[ausbacker]

My point is that the Patriots are very vulnerable when the offense does not play like it has been playing for the majority of the season. Last nights game proves my point. The defense is just a little above average, and I dont think they can win a playoff game when the offense does not give them a double digit lead. If the Patriots played like they did last night against any playoff team do you really think they would win? I think BB would say no, he pretty much did last night and today in his pressers. The Patriots allowed the game vs. Matt Flynn and the Packers to come down to the last possession, that is fairly concerning.

The myriad of crap that comes off your keyboard is just mind boggling. Feel like making some comments on the performances of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and Jets in recent times?

 

[karran_s]

The team which wants to win the most usually does.... well, most of you would have heard this already, albeit in a different form or manner. Athletes say it all the time..... what defines a winner? Stats are indicative but I think the chief characteristic of a winner is the overall attitude and ability to handle situations - good, bad or worse.

The Packers win was ugly, but from a winning perspective - it was success and a win was obtained at the end of the effort.

I think that's what the pats go out to do, each time they step on the field. They aim to win and they do. That about sums it up.

Coming to stats - one key stat says it all. Time of possession - the pats put up 31 points with less than 20 mins of possession.

GO, Pats !

 

[The Dynasty]

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Coming to stats - one key stat says it all. Time of possession - the pats put up 31 points with less than 20 mins of possession.

GO, Pats !

The Pats had a pick-6, and then had a 72 yard return giving them the ball at the 4 yard line. Those two plays had a lot to do with that. That stat is not as good as it seems.

 

[The Dynasty]

The myriad of crap that comes off your keyboard is just mind boggling. Feel like making some comments on the performances of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and Jets in recent times?

Each of those teams have their flaws as well. This message board is about the Patriots, there is really no need to get into problems with other teams.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

The were playing the Green Bay Packers who started a quarterback making his first ever start, and then coming into the game did not have a strong running attack because their leader went on IR in week 2. This would have been something if they played an offense that was actually legit, not one starting a QB who had never started an NFL game in his life. If this happened against the Ravens, Colts, Jets etc. I would give them all the credit in the world, but can you really give them credit for this performance?

This would mean nothing to you no matter what the circumstances so quit acting otherwise.

You claim it would be something if we played a legit offense, then totally discount the Colts game where we dominated Peyton Manning for 3 quarters, then found a way to close out a close game. Then you discount the game against Baltimore when they played 4 solid quarters, shut out the Ravens on several drives in the 4th quarter and OT, and won against a good young QB. Then you discount the 45-3 demolition of the AFC West division leader Jets. Then you discount the 36-7 destruction of the NFC North division leaders with Jay Cutler playing some of his best football since coming north.

Every single time this defense does well, you complain that it isn't enough. When they hold teams to 3 points, you say they can't win close games. And when they win close games, you complain that they played awful and the game shouldn't have been close.

You complain that they barely beat some back-up, yet overlook the victories against Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlesberger, Philip Rivers, and Jay Cutler.

You're Felger. Just admit it.

 

[ausbacker]

Each of those teams have their flaws as well. This message board is about the Patriots, there is really no need to get into problems with other teams.

So the fact that the Patriots defense is playing to a better or comparable level to veteran defenses with equally as many or more flaws despite carrying a better overall record and head to head wins holds no weight?

The amount of butthurt you've taken in this thread is at a diabolical level now.

 

[D-Money]

I agree about being outplayed last night.If Rodgers played last night it might not even have been close as it was.This defense particularly the defensive line was awful!The packers's running game is a joke and they ran all over them.The offense will have to click on all cylinders come playoffs time.This defense still scares me.

 

[The Dynasty]

This would mean nothing to you no matter what the circumstances so quit acting otherwise.

You claim it would be something if we played a legit offense, then totally discount the Colts game where we dominated Peyton Manning for 3 quarters, then found a way to close out a close game. Then you discount the game against Baltimore when they played 4 solid quarters, shut out the Ravens on several drives in the 4th quarter and OT, and won against a good young QB. Then you discount the 45-3 demolition of the AFC West division leader Jets. Then you discount the 36-7 destruction of the NFC North division leaders with Jay Cutler playing some of his best football since coming north.

Every single time this defense does well, you complain that it isn't enough. When they hold teams to 3 points, you say they can't win close games. And when they win close games, you complain that they played awful and the game shouldn't have been close.

You complain that they barely beat some back-up, yet overlook the victories against Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlesberger, Philip Rivers, and Jay Cutler.

You're Felger. Just admit it.

First of all I gave and continue to give the Patriots all the credit in the world in the Ravens game, that was their best game of the season, playing well in a wire to wire close game and not depending on the offense to win games. I also did not count out the Jets, Bears and Steelers wins, they were great performances by the defense, but they did not do anything to prove that they can win without the offense getting them a double digit lead. Last night they did win without the offense giving them a double digit lead, but did it really prove that they can do it again? They wont be facing a team with their quarterback making his first ever career NFL start. If Rodgers played last night and the Patriots play they way they did they lose by atleast a touchdown.