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An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec. 6th

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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Ok, I see you've decided to go the troll route for this game. I'll just go the ignore route. The week's going to be long enough without Jets fans being deliberately obtuse.


Just as a P.S....

The Globe piece was brought in to note that Crumpler was brought for blocking, since you were talking about receptions. In other words, it undercut your argument looking at receptions. You couldn't even troll right with your hand picked example.

Deus, I'll end this with you here because, as I said, you've at least tried to keep this on a football topic. You made my point precisely, and illustrated it perfectly. If you don't get that, then it's clear that you weren't getting the point from the start. And so we'll move on.

I'll let you have the last word. I'll probably even read it.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

They beat them of course.

Chargers held the Pats to 170 something yards of total offense but had 4 turnovers. Did you outplay the Chargers? Not even Tom Brady would answer 'yes' to that one. You found a way to get it done. That's all that matters.

When you find a way to get it done, that usually means you outplayed the opponent.

With the Steelers you feasted on one of the lowest rated pass defenses in the league. The Jets are ranked 11th vs the Steelers 22. I was wrong about one thing...the Pats did run on the Steelers for 100+ yards. I've already admitted my omission on that fact.

WTF are you smoking?? The Steelers were not one of the lowest rated pass defenses in the league when the Pats played them. God, you just LOVE making things up.



Also, the Patriots defense does not match up well with the Jets offense and vice versa. But the Jets are a good defense and I think will match up better vs the Pats O than the Pats D vs the the Jets O.

*ROFLMAO* The Pats defense doesn't match up well with the Jets offense? I will happily disagree. McCourty on Holmes. Arrington/Meriweather on Edwards. Chung on Keller. I think that the Pats match up extremely well.

Sorry, but the Jets D doesn't match up nearly as well against the Pats. You can think what you want. You've already shown yourself to be clueless and someone who doesn't bother to check his facts.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

What you think is irrelevant. Why? Because you've shown yourself to be a typical Jets homer who trolls the Pats boards. You claimed to make your case, yet when the facts were challenged (Pats putting 103 yards on the Steelers, Jennings having 81 yards by himself) you ignore it as if it wasn't there. You ignored everything I mentioned in my original rebuttal to your blathering.

BTW, SFBs, the Jets haven't faced anyone this year who come close to the Pats in their passing game. Especially since it's changed so drastically since week 2. Which is something you seem intent on ignoring.

I did address the fact that I missed that particular statistic. I also explicitly expressed that I did not find it and chose not to mention it. I just missed it.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Patriots record vs a Ryan defense: 0-2


You can swing records around however you want, they are completely situational.

Think you better check your facts there Chumly. Especially if you are including Rob Ryan in that equation.

Vs. Rob Ryan: 1-1 Oakland/Cleveland
vs. Rex Ryan: 2-2 Batlimore/NYJets

So, now that we know you are someone else who doesn't bother to check his facts, would you like to open your mouth some more?
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Listen. If you are going to post, I suggest you know what you are talking about. Clearly you don't. If you had, you'd know I was responding to EIFMP.

The fact that the Pats are 9-2 WHILE rebuilding and while having "the worst passing defense" is proof that the Pats shouldn't be taken as lightly as you or EIFMP are taking them. In fact, it should be proof to you two that the Pats are significantly different than the team you faced in week 2 and are significantly better. Instead, you two and the other bumbling Jets fans who are clueless, think your just going to walk all over the Pats.



Actually, it was used to point out that the Pats running game and passing game are a bit more prolific than he was letting on. But you clearly missed that. Which comes from being dumb and jumping into a conversation where you don't understand all that is going on.


Despite what ******ed radio talk show hosts say, the Lions kicker RETURNED TO THE GAME. They actually got a 3 point advantage by getting a TD instead of a FG, and then he returned. The missed PAT made people think that the TD would have been scored if not for the penalty. Missing your kicker for an extra point that wouldn't have even been available if not for the penalty does not compare at all to missing a starting QB and RB for the entire game.


Also, Shaun Hill is still a backup, he is not the #1 Overall pick Matt Stafford. Don't try and compare them to each other.

Jahvid Best was also missing from that game.

2/3 of the Lions most important offensive pieces were missing, including the starting QB.

Shaun Hill could start on quite a few teams in this league. You thinking otherwise is just another nail in the "I'm stupid" sign attached to your back.[/quote]

I do not think that the Jets will 'walk all over the Pats'. I just am giving my reasons for a victory. I am stating how the Jets would/should take advantage of certain match-ups. I never said/typed anything about walking all over anyone. I don't think the game will be easy for whomever wins. I'm just giving my rationale for thinking the Jets will win. I am very much a homer with a Jets bias, but I come with statistics to back me up instead of just opinions.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Yes, I agree. The problem is that reading comprehension here is hovering around zero.

And it all began with my very daring question where I asked someone to justify saying how a starting guard sucks with something. Anything.

Then, of course, another poster gets all frothy and starts inventing points that I didn't make and asks me to respond to the wholecloth he just knitted. Heady stuff. This is where the reading and basic skills thing really takes off.

And now, this last one, not wanting to be left out of the fun, decides to save his drowning friend, ATippet. Again, basic reading issues abound.

And so here we are. Note where it all started. I'll largely excuse Deus from all this. He was at least trying to make a football point, and yet missing mine.

Carry on. . .

No, the comprehension problem here is fans from an opposing team coming to a Pats message board and "getting all frothy" as you put it when the Pats fans here (whose team has wiped the floor with your team as many if not more times than the other way around) don't agree that your team is going to win the game! Can you imagine?! I know this is difficult to comprehend for all concerned.

Here is the stat I'm going with (because it's about as meaningful as all those touted by Jets fans here) - the Jets have NEVER beaten the Pats twice in one season since Brady took over the team. The last time they did so was in 2000 when Bledsoe was still QB and it was BB's first year. In fact, in the last 15 years, the series has been pretty even, with each team winning both games only a handful of times (the Pats won both in 2007). Most of the time the teams split, and the score is pretty competitive. You already have your win this year. All us dumb Pats fans think you're not getting another one. If you want someone to support your arguments, go post them on a Jets board.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Some of you Pats fans are ridiculous calling some Jets posters homers or trolls for simply discussing why they think their team will win.


We are a troll unless we claim the Patriots are far superior and will definitely win?

No...you are a troll because you use a fabricated handle to log on here and troll undiscovered. Use your J.I. or Gang Green handle if you want a real discourse.That is, unless you're too scared or ashamed what the members here will find out when they read what you post at YOUR home site.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

This is a message board. Everything you post is available to be commented on by anyone in the thread. Just because you were responding to EIFMP means I can't comment on it? Go talk on AIM if you want to have a 1on1 chat.

Clearly, you have reading issues. I said, if you are going to post, at least know what you are talking about. Clearly, you haven't a clue. And you've proven it with your ignorant posts since.

Can you tell me where I said they should be taken lightly and we will walk all over them? It's funny how you say I don't know what I'm talking about yet you struggle with comprehending a few simple sentences.

My reading comprehension is just fine. I'm not the one making up things and claiming they are fact. I said you were clueless. And you've done nothing to show otherwise.



Wow, amazing observation. Shaun Hill can start on a few teams in this league, so that overrides the significance of Stafford not playing?

Yes. Because everyone has injuries. You play against who is there.

Rusty ******* Smith started a game yesterday, and I'm currently watching Derek Anderson bounce passes to his receivers on MNF...so that's not saying much. This is a lame narrow-minded approach at trying to make yourself seem right.

No. What is lame and narrow-minded is ignorant people like yourself spewing out records that aren't fact.



If it makes you feel better to say I don't know what I'm talking about for simply having a different opinion, then you can think that.

I know more about the Jets than you, you know more about the Pats than me. Our teams are rivals and scheduled to play in a week...it's natural for disagreement and discussion, I think you should settle down.

You clearly don't know more about the Jets than I do. You just have to tell yourself that to make yourself feel better. Clearly, you don't get that you are on the Patriots Message board spewing your dumbness. I'm not on the Jets pages trying to educate you people because I know it's a lost cause.

You didn't have to come here and start spewing you crap. If you don't like how you get treated for spewing things that aren't fact, don't do it. Otherwise, go somewhere else.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

I do not think that the Jets will 'walk all over the Pats'. I just am giving my reasons for a victory. I am stating how the Jets would/should take advantage of certain match-ups. I never said/typed anything about walking all over anyone. I don't think the game will be easy for whomever wins. I'm just giving my rationale for thinking the Jets will win. I am very much a homer with a Jets bias, but I come with statistics to back me up instead of just opinions.
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You've sat there spewing garbage and not bothering to listen to REALITY. You've posted BS, had the facts shoved in your face and said "Duh.. That's not true." You still haven't acknowledge ANY of the changes to the Patriots since week 2. You've not acknowledge the fact that you talked out your rear end about Jennings.

And when statistics have been used to show you're conclusions were wrong, you've acted oblivious.

You're a friggin liar and that's all there is to it. You lied about why you started the thread. You lied about your supposed facts. And You lied about wanting honest conversation.

And that is why I am treating you the way I am now. Because of your lies.
 
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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

I do not think that the Jets will 'walk all over the Pats'. I just am giving my reasons for a victory. I am stating how the Jets would/should take advantage of certain match-ups. I never said/typed anything about walking all over anyone. I don't think the game will be easy for whomever wins. I'm just giving my rationale for thinking the Jets will win. I am very much a homer with a Jets bias, but I come with statistics to back me up instead of just opinions.

I just HAVE to know now....what statistics did you bring to back you up before the Packers SHUT OUT your precious green beanies...on YOUR home field...AFTER two weeks of preparation due to a bye. You post and post and post all these cherry picked stats, some you admit are flat out WRONG, yet you STILL refuse to discuss the whitewashing put up by ZeroZorro-chez versus the Packers. Was the humiliation too much to endure so you have sublimated this episode deep down into your subconsciousness? After all, if you are going to use game after game stats to prove your contentions then you MUST use the Zero Zorro humiliation and home field debacle to even begin to be considered semi-rational.
 
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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Wow, a link to a message board asking me to log on.

 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

The post I quoted had records referencing the 2010 season only.

I responded with a record referencing the 2010 season only.


I'm sorry you couldn't figure that out.

Ahh.. Gotta love the spin factory going. Too bad that isn't what you said in the post I quoted. But, let me guess, we're all supposed to be mind-readers right?
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Some of you Pats fans are ridiculous calling some Jets posters homers or trolls for simply discussing why they think their team will win.


We are a troll unless we claim the Patriots are far superior and will definitely win?

That's not what was going on. But you are too clueless to understand that. Fabricating stats and reality. Ignoring legitimate, civil responses that basically tear apart much of what was said. That's why you, EIFMP, and Sundayjack are being treated like Jet's Homers/Trolls. You'd know that if you hadn't skipped the entire 1st 10 pages of the thread.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

I did address the fact that I missed that particular statistic. I also explicitly expressed that I did not find it and chose not to mention it. I just missed it.

When you start threads on another team's message board, and that opening post is using statistics/numbers/data to make your argument, it behooves you to get the statistics/numbers/data correct. If you can't be careful enough to accomplish that, why post? You're just going to get pummeled for such a sloppy O.P., and rightfully so.

What might, or might not, have been an O.P. worthy of serious response was completely gutted by glaring informational errors that took only seconds to check.

You might wish to try bookmarking, and using, Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History as your first site for NFL information. It's much quicker than NFL.com when it comes to navigation for data verification.
 
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I did address the fact that I missed that particular statistic. I also explicitly expressed that I did not find it and chose not to mention it. I just missed it.


There was more than one fact to blew there. There were several. But you seem to think that your acknowledgement of the Steelers gaffe that it covers the others. It doesn't.

Also, you ignored numerous other things that were brought up.

Now, quit with your lame excuses.
 
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No, the comprehension problem here is fans from an opposing team coming to a Pats message board and "getting all frothy" as you put it when the Pats fans here (whose team has wiped the floor with your team as many if not more times than the other way around) don't agree that your team is going to win the game! Can you imagine?! I know this is difficult to comprehend for all concerned.

Here is the stat I'm going with (because it's about as meaningful as all those touted by Jets fans here) - the Jets have NEVER beaten the Pats twice in one season since Brady took over the team. The last time they did so was in 2000 when Bledsoe was still QB and it was BB's first year. In fact, in the last 15 years, the series has been pretty even, with each team winning both games only a handful of times (the Pats won both in 2007). Most of the time the teams split, and the score is pretty competitive. You already have your win this year. All us dumb Pats fans think you're not getting another one. If you want someone to support your arguments, go post them on a Jets board.

This is a nice post. I enjoyed this.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

I love the weeks we play these douchebags. Just out of curiosity since I've never checked myself, do we invade their team board like they do ours?
 
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