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Pryor fined 7500 for hit on Favre...

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I do know that this fine didn't make Brady or any other QB any safer.
I think that's an irrational conclusion not supported by facts. Fines do have some effect on making defensive players think twice and alter the way they hit. Not complete, as Rodney said, but especially with the current spotlight it has an effect.
 
Pryor did not hit Favre in the head. He hit him in the chest area. It was the post contact physics (and it was not a "dip and rip") that resulted in the helmet-to-chin contact.
You are effectively making one of my points... that after Pryor hit him like that, there was no way to prevent Favre's head from getting hit due to "post contact physics".

If that's true, then: hit him differently. Don't hit him like that.

The point of the fine is to alter tackling behavior so injuries like Favre's don't happen.

Can everyone here honestly say if Pryor had been a Viking and the exact same hit with the exact same result had been on Brady, they would be arguing the same way? I think not.
 
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I think that's an irrational conclusion not supported by facts. Fines do have some effect on making defensive players think twice and alter the way they hit. Not complete, as Rodney said, but especially with the current spotlight it has an effect.

I said "this fine", not fines/suspensions in general. The fine on Meriweather and threat of a suspension had a positive impact. It changed Meriweather's behavior (and probably others as well). When players look at Pryor's hit and the subsequent fine, what are they going to change? About the only thing I can think of is negotiating about $75K worth of fine-buffer into their contracts.
 
You are effectively making one of my points... that after Pryor hit him like that, there was no way to prevent Favre's head from getting hit due to "post contact physics".

If that's true, then: hit him differently. Don't hit him like that.

The point of the fine is to alter tackling behavior so injuries like Favre's don't happen.

There was nothing wrong with the tackling behavior. That's the point you are ignoring. You are supposed to hit the QBs in the area between the upper legs and the chest. Pryor did that.

Can everyone here honestly say if Pryor had been a Viking and the exact same hit with the exact same result had been on Brady, they would be arguing the same way? I think not.

I don't know about "everyone", but I think I've made it pretty clear over the years that my analysis isn't all about being a homer. I'd have said it was a clean hit regardless of who was involved.
 
i want to hear what BB has to say.

It's a league matter and right now my focus is on Cleveland and trying to get our team ready to go out there and play them. All those questions really need to be asked of someone in the league office.
 
You are effectively making one of my points... that after Pryor hit him like that, there was no way to prevent Favre's head from getting hit due to "post contact physics".

If that's true, then: hit him differently. Don't hit him like that.

The point of the fine is to alter tackling behavior so injuries like Favre's don't happen.

Have you actually played the game? This game moves faster than you can likely imagine, so your apparent perception that defenders will crunch trajectory physics faster than NASA probably needs to be considered unrealistic.

There is also no rule that says "don't hit in the head" as you apparently interpret it. The rule I expect you are invoking likely says "using any part of a player’s helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/“hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures (e.g., a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass, a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass, a runner already in the grasp of a tackler, a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air, or a player on the ground at the end of a play). All players in virtually defenseless postures are protected by the same prohibitions against use of the helmet and facemask that are described in the roughing-the-passer rules (see Article 12, subsection 3 below of this Rule 12, Section 2)."

If a player's body, as a consequence of a hit, strikes the defender's helmet, how is the defender "using" his helmet? "Using" implies action, not inaction (specifically the action of the tackled player's body on a helmet directed elsewhere). Some players bend, some are rigid. Do you expect defenders are skilled mind-readers on how offensive participants will take a hit?
 
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It's a league matter and right now my focus is on Cleveland and trying to get our team ready to go out there and play them. All those questions really need to be asked of someone in the league office.

hahahah good one.

option 2: "It is what it is"
 
Anybody passing the hat around to help cover the fine, I will chip in a few bucks after seeing old man Favre carted out!

This fine is pure BS. It was a clean hit, he didn't pull a Meriweather and try to take his head off, he hit him clean and hard, and old man Brett got KTFO'ed.
 
What happens when QB's purposely lower their helmet to draw penalties?
 
Anybody passing the hat around to help cover the fine, I will chip in a few bucks after seeing old man Favre carted out!

This fine is pure BS. It was a clean hit, he didn't pull a Meriweather and try to take his head off, he hit him clean and hard, and old man Brett got KTFO'ed.


Favre also somehow dodged the NFL's concussion policy.

The picture i posted clearly shows his eyes closed as in KO'd.

He was woozy no question ... Brett and Chili said he was woozy.

Why was he not subjected to the new rules ...
Goodell should force him to go the same process as everyone else.

 
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I just heard Guyton got fined 7500 too... wow

Guyton should be fined $7500. That hit was CLEARLY helmet to helmet. Pryor's was not. That hit was right between the numbers.
 
on a side note, anyone else notice that pryor's been playing pretty well this year? he looks like a jarvis green type player. not necessarily starting caliber (although if im not mistaken he has been starting, no?).

lots of depth on the defensive line this year. it's good to see.
 
You are the one going off on the political. I was talking about the hit itself. Firing off the smartass comments towards me because I'm responding to your tangent, when it was made in response to one of my posts, doesn't make your insight brilliant.

Of course he's going political. That's all strudel knows. Haven't you realized that he's a really big thinker yet? That only thing that I'm saddened by is the fact that he won't see this being that he stuck his tail between his legs and put me on ignore.
 
The stills provided by JMT are great,clearly this is a legal hit.What's going on with Goodell?
 
The stills provided by JMT are great,clearly this is a legal hit.What's going on with Goodell?

His children wear New York Jets jerseys.
 
I don't get why people are complaining NOW. As had been already stated in the past they are ruling based on RESULTS, not about tackling technique or anything else. Brett Favre suffered an injury above the chest by another player's helmet and thus that player is responsible. The NFL has already explained that the only thing that matters to them is end result. If you aim for the chest and hit the head... illegal. If you aim for the head and hit the chest... legal.

It's stupid but that's the NFL now so I guess... it is what it is.
 
I don't get why people are complaining NOW.

We were supposed to complain before we knew there would be a fine? This issue seemed settled when Mike Perreira said it looked like a clean hit. Shouldn't he know?

I'm all for protecting defenseless players. The Merriweather fine was deserved, as were the Harrison fines, and the Guyton fine. This hit seemed different entirely, to me at least and apparently to many others.
 
So what some people are saying here is that if a defender were to hit a QB in the chest, they go to the ground, and the defensive player's helmet grazes the QB's mask, it's a fine?

The point that the Goddell supporters here are missing is that Pryor hit Favre in the chest. Period. I suppose these same people supported Wilfork's fine for sliding down to Losman's thighs, yes? I hope so. At least they would be consistent in their error.
 
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