Pryor fined 7500 for hit on Favre...

[apple strudel]

This is about the stupidity of the application.

When congress is breathing down your neck or you are facing massive potential liability for not reacting to recent research you err on the side of caution. Just observing. I'd do the same thing in the league's situation. For the record, I disagree with the Pryor fine, but I understand where it's coming from. Perspective.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

1) We all understand this. We are commenting on the stupidity of it.

2) They also said that teams need to teach the correct way to hit. The implication is that if you teach the correct way, you won't get penalized/fined.

3) Pryor and Chung did exactly what they were supposed to do. Head up, feet on the ground, arms in front, wrap up, drive through. Not only good form...absolutely textbook.

4) Watch the Lewis/Keller hit on youtube. Head down, arms back, launches up into the player. Horrific technique and that earns praise from the league.

I'll feel better if the league makes a statement describing what Pryor should have done differently. They obviously won't. You can't have fairness when you base discipline on results and not actions.

That's the crux of the problem, the rule itself.

In removing subjectivity the league made the situation worse by removing rationality. With the myriad HD video cameras available 2nd looks revealing technical violations run rampant.

How does a coach instruct a player to play? There's NFW

Is it even possible given kinematics (the physics of motion) and human reaction times to avoid such hits? No it is not unless the end result of enforcement against inadvertant repeat offenders results in two hand touch football.

 

[alamo]

Was the hit a textbook hit? No. If so it wouldn't have ended up at the head.

If the hit was lower to begin with or wasn't angling upwards at all, no problem. But the hit did end up hitting the head. And that was under Pryor's control. If the player getting hit appears injured that obviously makes them look closely, so a fine was inevitable on this one.

Since when did everyone here become Ray Lewis? I would rather have Favre (and by extension Brady) protected.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Was the hit a textbook hit? No. If so it wouldn't have ended up at the head.

If the hit was lower to begin with or wasn't angling upwards at all, no problem. But the hit did end up hitting the head. And that was under Pryor's control. If the player getting hit appears injured that obviously makes them look closely, so a fine was inevitable on this one.

Since when did everyone here become Ray Lewis? I would rather have Favre (and by extension Brady) protected.

The debate is over what degree of protection and what the impact on the game is in providing such protection. I was all for fining Merri for launching himself at the receiver's head. A 300 LB onrushing lineperson crashing into a QB's torso cannot possibly analyze all the possible outcomes of the kinematics involved, e.g. the QB's head snaps fwd because of whiplash, striking the helmet.

 

[Deus Irae]

When congress is breathing down your neck or you are facing massive potential liability for not reacting to recent research you err on the side of caution. Just observing. I'd do the same thing in the league's situation. For the record, I disagree with the Pryor fine, but I understand where it's coming from. Perspective.

Wrongly applying a rule is not perspective.

 

[apple strudel]

Wrongly applying a rule is not perspective.

Deus is sperging again, folks.

 

[Nikolai]

No i'm 100% sure it was Losman. He claimed (as did the Bills) that VW went for his knees on purpose. It caused a real **** storm

You're right. I'm getting my years mixed up. :ugh:

 

[MassPats38]

Nonsense. The hit was clean. The league is now fining players for not being able to properly answer physics questions regarding velocities and vectors as they make contact on a perfectly clean hit.

Not to mention the game commentators themselves said it was a legal hit at the time after multiple playbacks. No penalty thrown on an obvious hit, but a fine is levied. And as Schlereth pointed out on ESPN, how many running backs are seeing fines for dropping and leading with their helmets while carrying the ball?

Polamalu got it right - stuffed shirts with little time on the field should not be handing out penalties for contact. The Commissioner needs to pull his head out of his keister on this subject before he does permanent damage to the game.

 

[lostjumper]

Also, Favre is not wearing one of the new chinstraps that everyone else is. If he had, there's probably not a cut, not blood, and no fine.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deus is sperging again, folks.

You are the one going off on the political. I was talking about the hit itself. Firing off the smartass comments towards me because I'm responding to your tangent, when it was made in response to one of my posts, doesn't make your insight brilliant.

 

[apple strudel]

You are the one going off on the political. I was talking about the hit itself. Firing off the smartass comments towards me because I'm responding to your tangent, when it was made in response to one of my posts, doesn't make your insight brilliant.

Because you can't, you won't, and you don't stop. Wheee!

 

[Deus Irae]

Because you can't, you won't, and you don't stop. Wheee!

I hadn't started, slick, so stopping wasn't an issue. You went down the path. I just responded to you. Obviously, I shouldn't have bothered doing that. I'll remember that in the future. In fact, I'll solve that problem right now.

 

[apple strudel]

I hadn't started, slick, so stopping wasn't an issue. You went down the path. I just responded to you. Obviously, I shouldn't have bothered doing that. I'll remember that in the future. In fact, I'll solve that problem right now.

Slick. God I love some of the posters on this forum.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

f-in pathetic...I am totally against head shots but this is f'in pathetic.

 

[Metaphors]

Was the hit a textbook hit? No. If so it wouldn't have ended up at the head.

Absolutely incorrect. You can't possibly believe that every hit to the head is the result of non-textbook technique.

If the hit was lower to begin with

Glad you brought this up. Take Pryor's hit and lower it 6 inches or so. Here is what results:

1) Pryor's head is now down. You can't lower your attack angle significantly and keep your head up. Now Pryor has limited vision of what he is hitting, his helmet becomes a missile and Pryor is in greater of suffering a neck injury. Nice.

2) Pryor's center of balance moves forward. This throws him off balance and limits his ability to pull up or make an effective tackle.

3) Instead of wrapping up around the waist, his arms and the bulk of his weight are now dangerously close to Favre's knees. Given the reaction to Brady's injury, maybe the league prefers that.

or wasn't angling upwards at all

Wasn't angling upward. When you hit with your head up, after impact your head is going to follow the path of least resistence...which is up. Pryor's feet stayed on the ground and his torso stayed level throughout the hit.

But the hit did end up hitting the head. And that was under Pryor's control. If the player getting hit appears injured that obviously makes them look closely, so a fine was inevitable on this one.

This is the part that drives people crazy...
Negative result.
Pryor was involved.
Therefore, Pryor had responsibility for the result.

Obviously Pryor didn't have to hit Favre. He could have stopped his pass rush. He could have retired from football before the game. If the league wants players to hit and hit the correct, textbook way, sometimes bad things are going to happen.

Since when did everyone here become Ray Lewis? I would rather have Favre (and by extension Brady) protected.

Brady has been hit this exact same way literally dozens of times without a fine being assessed. I don't know if Brady's height or smaller chin spared him from getting bloodied up. I do know that this fine didn't make Brady or any other QB any safer.

 

[alamo]

A 300 LB onrushing lineperson crashing into a QB's torso cannot possibly analyze all the possible outcomes of the kinematics involved, e.g. the QB's head snaps fwd because of whiplash, striking the helmet.

I am quite sure defenders have an excellent idea through experience of the effect of their hits. And they know that if you hit a certain way there is a possibility of hitting the head. If you can't be certain you aren't going to hit the QB's head, hit him differently. Lower, different angle, not as hard, whatever.

The rule says "Don't hit the QB in the head". Not "Try not to hit the QB in the head."

 

[sieglo]

Would it bother you to fork over $1,700 for no reason?

We all do a lot more every April 15.

 

[Deus Irae]

I am quite sure defenders have an excellent idea through experience of the effect of their hits. And they know that if you hit a certain way there is a possibility of hitting the head. If you can't be certain you aren't going to hit the QB's head, hit him differently. Lower, different angle, not as hard, whatever.

The rule says "Don't hit the QB in the head". Not "Try not to hit the QB in the head."

Pryor did not hit Favre in the head. He hit him in the chest area. It was the post contact physics (and it was not a "dip and rip") that resulted in the helmet-to-chin contact.

 

[letekro]

I'm disgusted but in no way surprised. The commish's principles can be determined by putting one's finger in the air to gauge the direction of the wind.

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

i want to hear what BB has to say.