Welcome and join the crowd in this quest of attempting to decipher the goal of this topic!
Are the pre-season games a good indicator of what each player and team is capable of? I don't think so.
How about other teams which do so well in the pre-seasons but yet falter once the season begins?
Not sure if you are aware of a back-up qb with the Pats who was derided and given up by many fans after his preseason performance two seasons ago. I believe he did decently enough to bring us to the brink of playoffs with a record tied to that of the division leader and is now currently the starting qb of the Chiefs.
So, I don't take any of the pre-season stats for consideration because I consider them equivalent to that from an intense practice session that might have other objectives not reflected in the qb's #s.
PS: wish I could have welcomed you under a different thread than the current one. Now wait, I don't want anyone starting a "The Bills Suck" thread please.
haha thanks. Like I said, I know it's only preseason, but this preseason it doesn't look like the Jets have changed anything from 2009. If you've listened to the Jets homers, you'd think Sanchez would dethrone Peyton, Brady, and Brees this season. Sanchez has looked awful and inaccurate, like he did his rookie season.
JOKER said:
As a long time football message board denizen I can attest to the fact that the most vicious, anti Patriot fans in the AFC East have always been our Bills brethren.Worst anti-social board in history was the old Democrat-Chronicle(?) board back in the 90's. Those were REAL Patriot haters back then...so I understand your post completely...times have changed...I hated the Miami Dolphins for decades with the same passion. Funny...today...this season...this team in Jersey...Phins, Pats,Bills...we've put the old animosities aside...if somehow the Bills win the division and go to the playoffs and the Pats sit it out, I'm a Bills fan.Even the hated fish, I can handle that.Nah, you don't have to explain anything...welcome aboard...I can admit Bills fan is worthy of our respect...we *****ed and moaned about that loss to the Giants in the Super Bowl but I don't think ANY Patriot would have enjoyed living through Norwood and wide right...the Bill WERE the best team in the NFL that year and carried the standard for the AFC East when we plain sucked...as a Pats fan I understand the hurt that must have been felt the loyal Bills fans.
THIS is a completely different animal...the Phins have enjoyed success, the Bills dominated the NFL going to four Super Bowls in the Kelly era.The Pats shattered their image as losers by stunning the NFL in the bowl versus the Rams. The ONLY team in our division that has ZERO to shoot their mouth off for, that has been a punching bag for Miami in their glory years, and the Bills in their dominant Kelly era is these damned bigmouthed Rats.
So welcome to the best Patriots board in the world...there's homers and pessimists and geniuses and morons(I'm probably one of those) but YOU will be a better NFL fan interacting here than probably any other fan site on the net.One year the Bills destroyed the Pats 31-0 in the opener...were the Bills that good??...was Milloy that big of a mistake?...well the Pats won the Super Bowl that year but Bills fan STILL had that obliteration to hang their hat on...see what I'm driving at? There was no Bills hate here...were the Bills that good...was Milloy a mistake?...heh...forget that...that year the Jets sucked...in fact, as the Bills season degenerated and the Pats went on a roll I think the Bills STILL buried the Jersey disgrace.
Anyway, I just thought you'd like to know you can still hate the Pats ( I would if I got suckered into Bledsoe too) but above and beyond that you can participate here as a respected football fan without fear of being insulted, demeaned,disrespected or degraded. We do that amongst ourselves without any outside influence with great fervor and intensity. We have a Saints fan who is regular here...he came on board when they slaughtered us last season...he was a little cautious until he found that WE, Pats fans, knew why we got destroyed and why we saw the debacle as an obvious measure of the kind of team the 2009 Pats were, but the funny thing was, when he asked what we thought about the matchup in the Super Bowl, almost all of us HAD TO tell him..."the Saints are gonna kill Pay Me Tons!"...for real...read the archives...and being a Bills fan YOU know Moonhead HATES playing up there in Buffalo too. Who did YOU want to win last season???
So yeah,welcome to one of the best fan sites in existence and don't hold back...Buffalo fan's perspective can really add a measure of sanity to the discussion here...and yeah,the Bills should have beaten our ass last year in the opener and it probably would have been a good thing for our team, but there ain't no Bills fan, Miami fan or NE fan that had anything but contempt for the laydown that got the Rats in the playoffs last year.THAT just ain't right.
Yeah, that was the last time we've beaten you guys, the 31-0 beatdown from 2003.
I was in 7th grade when that happened. Here I am, 2nd year in college, 13 losses to New England later.
I was at the Bills-Patriots MNF opener last season. I guess while I'm posting here, I can share my Gillette experience. If anyone remembers a Bills fan wearing a Jim Kelly jersey in Section 315, Row 5, Seat 11, that was me. Even though the Patriots never had the lead until the final part of the game, I still had the feeling Buffalo would lose the game, because we were just playing outright sloppy on defense (Brady completed near 80% of his passes, not a good feeling at all). After we scored to go up 2 possessions, I was thinking, "alright, let's stop them once, it's all we've got to do." Never happened. Then McFumblin' ended up losing the game for us. I supported his decision to run out of the end zone, because Buffalo didn't want to give New England the 2 minute warning for extra timeout. What I DIDN'T support was him fighting for an extra yard or two on a frigign' kickoff return. Just fall down and take what you have.
Even if Buffalo didn't fumble the ball on the kickoff, we'd had to punch out a first down to put the game away for good. And the Bills have been HORRIBLE at clock management in this past decade, and that itself has costed them a handful of games. Took me a LONG time to get over this game.
Then remember the 2nd Bills vs. Patriots game in 2009? That was about as ugly as a game as you could get. At the time, I thought we had a chance to beat them. If you remember the 2009 season, New England was 2-6 on the road (1-6 in the United States). New England was also playing awful in the second half on the road that season (offense would be shut down, defense would dry out and give up the lead), and I thought Buffalo could take advantage of that. Even on that day, New England's offense didn't exactly play great (I think Brady had a mediocre game). But our offensive line let up 16 million sacks. The final score ended up being 17-10, and we held the Patriots to only a field goal in the second half (it was a defensive struggle for both teams). The game came down to a 3rd and 6 for the Patriots, and Brady hits Welker to put the game away. If we make the stop, we get one more chance to send the game into OT.
2003 was an odd year for Buffalo. We had one of the league's best defenses, but our offense was outright horrible. If we had a decent offense at the least, we could've made a push into the playoffs.
As far as Peyton Manning is concerned....well......let's not go in that general direction. I won't exactly get a lot of sympathy here.
