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[Shaun John 9294]

Your analysis of Cromartie is just flat out wrong.
First you are saying how great his ball skills are based on what happened 3 years ago and ignoring that he has a TOTAL of 5 ints in the last 2 years.
You said last year was an off year, but by the stats you chose it was his best:
2009 48/84/590/2/3/72.0
2008 67/102/869/4/2/97.2
2007 23/41/270/1/9/44.8 but that rating is cut in half by ints
and in 2007 he only played in 8 reg season games and 400 snaps, (92 vs Indy) a lot as a NICKEL in zone not a man to man corner covering the #1.
You keep saying he had 10 Ints? Your source shows 7 reg season and 2 postseason.
The real fact is everything you can say about the guy is basically he picked off Manning 3 times in a game 3 years ago. Go get Ty Law too then.
I dont know where you are getting your info on Cromartie but its all backward. Including the laughable idea that he will be better in a risky man scheme when he is averse to contact and has never show man coverage skills.

BTW, be careful with Profootballfocus, there is no proof of the validity of their stats, and the conclusions they offer are weak.

Oh and by the way, proffotballfocus grades Cromartie at 56th among all corners, that is among the worst 9 starters, and he ranked 113 in 2008.

My analysis of Cromartie is flat out wrong? How can numbers be wrong? If Cromartie is 56th what is Butler with lesser numbers??

Overall profootballfocus is on point just because there stats don't favor your player doesn't mean there wrong. I don't think the creators thought to themselves "well lets make make the Pats look bad and favor the other teams" when they created that website. If you knew anything about profootballfocus.com, its that they started out somewhere during the 2007 season so that particular season is incomplete.

Antonio Cromartie Game Log - New York Jets - ESPN

He didn't have 9 total interceptions he had 12 along with 18 pass deflections. What has Butler done and what conclusive evidence does anyone have to show he is CLEARLY A BETTER BALLHAWK then Cromartie? A whopping 3 picks and 8 deflections? Whoopie dooo. At least you can say Cro has done it before but Butler never has. Is Bodden better then Revis because he allowed only 50% of passes thrown his way to be completed? You do not have justifiable evidence based on his numbers to just say Ohhh yeaa hes a better at X, Y, Z meanwhile I have statistics and something concrete to back up everything I have said to prove the Cromartie/Butler debate is indeed in favor of Cro.

Cromartie was a STARTER midway through the 2007 season playing MAN TO MAN COVERAGE ask any Charger fan. I made a error in saying he guarded #1`s through out the entire season my bad I own up to my mistakes. However Butler has only covered #3s for aa majority of the season so even if there coverage numbers are close last year, Cromartie did it against tougher competition meaning he is better as long as the numbers are close or identical which they are. I have brought up legitimate reasons why these past 2 years he has struggled. Reread my previous post about the scheme, Merriman falling off, oh yea and a playing with a fractured hip throughout the 2008 season.

Just like your analysis of the Mayo/Harris debate, your argument here is weak and not solid at all. Mayo, claiming a top 2-3 ILB versus David Harris, who IS 2nd team ALL PRO? So if he is the 2nd or 3rd best ILB in the game, why isn't he 2nd team ALL PRO instead of David Harris? The simple reason why he is not is because he is NOT BETTER. He's good just not on that level of playmaking. Just because he wears a Patriots uniform doesn't mean hes the best at what he does. Like I said David Harris last year made MORE PLAYS then Mayo has in his ENTIRE CAREER.

It seems when evaluating Patriot vs Jet players, as long as Patriot players numbers are only a notch below or within striking distance of another Jet players, they are better. That doesn't make sense.

 

[Ring 6]

My analysis of Cromartie is flat out wrong? How can numbers be wrong? If Cromartie is 56th what is Butler with lesser numbers??

You said last year was a down year and 2008s stats were much worse.
You said he played man coverage vs the #1 and he did not in fact he was the 3rd corner in 07.
You said he is best suited to man (because your team plays it a lot) but the fact is he is afraid of contact and gambles way to much, so he is a tremendous risk on an island.

Overall profootballfocus is on point just because there stats don't favor your player doesn't mean there wrong. I don't think the creators thought to themselves "well lets make make the Pats look bad and favor the other teams" when they created that website. If you knew anything about profootballfocus.com, its that they started out somewhere during the 2007 season so that particular season is incomplete.

It actually supported my point while I was saying its unreliable. Duh.

Antonio Cromartie Game Log - New York Jets - ESPN

He didn't have 9 total interceptions he had 12 along with 18 pass deflections.

That is my point, you are basing your argument on stats from a site that has obvious inaccuracies.

What has Butler done and what conclusive evidence does anyone have to show he is CLEARLY A BETTER BALLHAWK then Cromartie? A whopping 3 picks and 8 deflections? Whoopie dooo. At least you can say Cro has done it before but Butler never has. Is Bodden better then Revis because he allowed only 50% of passes thrown his way to be completed? You do not have justifiable evidence based on his numbers to just say Ohhh yeaa hes a better at X, Y, Z meanwhile I have statistics and something concrete to back up everything I have said to prove the Cromartie/Butler debate is indeed in favor of Cro.

I didn't say Butler was clearly better, I said Cromartie getting 5 Ints in 2 years refutes your argument.

Cromartie was a STARTER midway through the 2007 season playing MAN TO MAN COVERAGE ask any Charger fan.

Go ask any fan is not in my list of valid arguments.

I made a error in saying he guarded #1`s through out the entire season my bad I own up to my mistakes. However Butler has only covered #3s for aa majority of the season so even if there coverage numbers are close last year, Cromartie did it against tougher competition meaning he is better as long as the numbers are close or identical which they are.

A- You said you didnt watch Butler play so how do you know who he covered?
B- The stats are not proven accurate
There are many quesitons that need to be answered in how they are compiled
What was the coverage?
How do they determine who to charge the catch agaisnt?
If it is in between a zone, do you charge the corner, safety, LB? Whoever makes the tackle?
Are they just using the stats of the player lined up against that guy?
Was there help?
Was it in prevent defense?

You simply cannot rely totally on stats if you have no idea how they were compiled.

I have brought up legitimate reasons why these past 2 years he has struggled. Reread my previous post about the scheme, Merriman falling off, oh yea and a playing with a fractured hip throughout the 2008 season.

Scheme and pass rush are weak arguments. The fact is he lost his job and was not wanted. The primary reasons cited were that he doesn't follow instuction, plays whatever D he feels, gambles too much, and is apparently unwilling to tackle.
I think you got a stiff.

Just like your analysis of the Mayo/Harris debate, your argument here is weak and not solid at all. Mayo, claiming a top 2-3 ILB versus David Harris, who IS 2nd team ALL PRO? So if he is the 2nd or 3rd best ILB in the game, why isn't he 2nd team ALL PRO instead of David Harris?

A- if you are going to jusge players by awards you are flawed from the start
B- Mayo was injured. You dont usually earn awards when you miss time for an injury and are slowed because you come back a month early
Your argument was 'he makes more game changing plays' aka "i said so'. Then you added sacks to compare against a guy who was rarely asked to rush the passer. How do you expect Mayo to get sacks in coverage?

The simple reason why he is not is because he is NOT BETTER. He's good just not on that level of playmaking. Just because he wears a Patriots uniform doesn't mean hes the best at what he does. Like I said David Harris last year made MORE PLAYS then Mayo has in his ENTIRE CAREER.

Again, your argument "I said so" sprinkled in that mine must be bad because Mayo is a Patriot.
If Patriot fans opinions of Patriots are irrelevant isn't your opinion of Jets irrelevant.
The playing field needs to be relevant, and you are starting to sound like a troll, who screams how great the jets are on a patriot board them dismisses a counterargument because it could only be biased.

It seems when evaluating Patriot vs Jet players, as long as Patriot players numbers are only a notch below or within striking distance of another Jet players, they are better. That doesn't make sense.

Since when is evaluation based on stats? What have I evaluated based on stats? Stats are a horrendous method of comparing players. They are instructive as a starting point, at least for a few positions.
My use of stats is to refute stats that you started with.

Again, you are sounding very trollish.
If your argument is going to follow the pattern of
-You make a statement
-Someone disagrees
-You act like your statement is the most honest, unbiased and honorable ever made and any reply by a Patriot fan is unfounded, biased and jaded.

Then why bother.

 

[eom]

How did I contradict myself by stating if they played similar snaps and Butler, who started for only 5 games, would of given up more yards/TDs? He played against starting WRs or slot WRs for a majority of the season? Obviously #3 WRs since he wasn't a starter through out the season while the WRs Cromartie went against are tougher competition.

you are not posting insights of which I admire.

use of the word 'obviously' is probably followed by failure 99% of the time on the internet, and possibly everywhere else.

 

[Sivy]

My analysis of Cromartie is flat out wrong? How can numbers be wrong? If Cromartie is 56th what is Butler with lesser numbers??

Overall profootballfocus is on point just because there stats don't favor your player doesn't mean there wrong. I don't think the creators thought to themselves "well lets make make the Pats look bad and favor the other teams" when they created that website. If you knew anything about profootballfocus.com, its that they started out somewhere during the 2007 season so that particular season is incomplete.

Antonio Cromartie Game Log - New York Jets - ESPN

He didn't have 9 total interceptions he had 12 along with 18 pass deflections. What has Butler done and what conclusive evidence does anyone have to show he is CLEARLY A BETTER BALLHAWK then Cromartie? A whopping 3 picks and 8 deflections? Whoopie dooo. At least you can say Cro has done it before but Butler never has. Is Bodden better then Revis because he allowed only 50% of passes thrown his way to be completed? You do not have justifiable evidence based on his numbers to just say Ohhh yeaa hes a better at X, Y, Z meanwhile I have statistics and something concrete to back up everything I have said to prove the Cromartie/Butler debate is indeed in favor of Cro.

Cromartie was a STARTER midway through the 2007 season playing MAN TO MAN COVERAGE ask any Charger fan. I made a error in saying he guarded #1`s through out the entire season my bad I own up to my mistakes. However Butler has only covered #3s for aa majority of the season so even if there coverage numbers are close last year, Cromartie did it against tougher competition meaning he is better as long as the numbers are close or identical which they are. I have brought up legitimate reasons why these past 2 years he has struggled. Reread my previous post about the scheme, Merriman falling off, oh yea and a playing with a fractured hip throughout the 2008 season.

Just like your analysis of the Mayo/Harris debate, your argument here is weak and not solid at all. Mayo, claiming a top 2-3 ILB versus David Harris, who IS 2nd team ALL PRO? So if he is the 2nd or 3rd best ILB in the game, why isn't he 2nd team ALL PRO instead of David Harris? The simple reason why he is not is because he is NOT BETTER. He's good just not on that level of playmaking. Just because he wears a Patriots uniform doesn't mean hes the best at what he does. Like I said David Harris last year made MORE PLAYS then Mayo has in his ENTIRE CAREER.

It seems when evaluating Patriot vs Jet players, as long as Patriot players numbers are only a notch below or within striking distance of another Jet players, they are better. That doesn't make sense.

Tom Brady, wes welker and Randy Moss are better than any one player the jets have. That is the reason why they are better than the jets. (well, one of many reasons)

Let me ask you this..straight up..would you trade revis for tom brady?

 

[Brady2Welker]

Jet hype mixed with this thread is now vomit inducing, so I'm just gonna spend the rest of the offseason talking about how Tim Tebow is a Joe Montana/Steve Young combo of ultra-non choking, infinitely mobile, laser arm QB. . Honestly, the Jets might look decent but the dynasty of Tebow will never let them past the AFCCG. Tim Tebow; bringing God and the power run game to Denver

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

Tom Brady, wes welker and Randy Moss are better than any one player the jets have. That is the reason why they are better than the jets. (well, one of many reasons)

Let me ask you this..straight up..would you trade revis for tom brady?

I wouldn't. Revis is 24 and Brady is 32(?)

 

[Sivy]

I wouldn't. Revis is 24 and Brady is 32(?)

And? Brett Farve proved that qbs can play untill atleast 40. Tom Brady at 32 would give the jets a better chance at a sb than Revis..and isnt it about what you can do for me now.

I bet the jets FO would make the trade in a second.

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

And? Brett Farve proved that qbs can play untill atleast 40. Tom Brady at 32 would give the jets a better chance at a sb than Revis..and isnt it about what you can do for me now.

I bet the jets FO would make the trade in a second.

You asked me my take. I gave it to you.

I never want to see Tom Brady on the Jets. Ever.

 

[Brady2Welker]

You asked me my take. I gave it to you.

I never want to see Tom Brady on the Jets. Ever.

How about the champion, and king, Tim Tebow?

 

[Joker]

You asked me my take. I gave it to you.

I never want to see Tom Brady on the Jets. Ever.

heh...yeah...you'd much rather have Ducks Hurlington...or better yet..Browning Nagle...no doubt THE most moronic fanbase in ANY sport history..The New York "2nd rate tenants" Jets.

 

[ausbacker]

I wouldn't. Revis is 24 and Brady is 32(?)

That's why the Jets won't be winning a Superbowl any time soon then. Revis is a small portion of a defense which lost 8 games last year and played well in the post-season. Tom Brady is going to Canton with multiple championships and is the best player in the league at the most important position in football. You'd be able to survive without Revis playing and another corner stepping in. The step up from Sanchez to Brady is enormous.

The more I think about it and research them the less impressive the Jets defense actually is. Christ some of you Jets fans continue to outdo yourselves with your own stupidity.

 

[Brady2Welker]

That's why the Jets won't be winning a Superbowl any time soon then. Revis is a small portion of a defense which lost 8 games last year and played well in the post-season. Tom Brady is going to Canton with multiple championships and is the best player in the league at the most important position in football. You'd be able to survive without Revis playing and another corner stepping in. The step up from Sanchez to Brady is enormous.

The more I think about it and research them the less impressive the Jets defense actually is. Christ some of you Jets fans continue to outdo yourselves with your own stupidity.

The cornerstone of the Jet's hype is based on the fact that their defense did a decent job at stopping the Chargers/Bengals, then being slaughtered by the Colts. The Jets had a pretty easy schedule last year, as did the Patriots. I personally think that both teams offensive and defensive stats are inflated above what they are in reality, anyone who watched the Patriots offense/defense last year knew we struggled immensely most games, and really only were able to do as well as we did because of Moss/Welker/Brady. Similarly if you look back at the Jets games, fair enough they beat a decent Houston team, but aside from blowing up Oakland just like we blew up Tenn, they struggled as well. I think both teams did an alright job last year, and had there been some real competition in the AFC in general, the Jets wouldn't have made it into the playoffs. We still probably would've gotten destroyed round 1, but the hype caused by them beating the Bengals/Chargers wouldn't have happened.

 

[emoney_33]

I wouldn't. Revis is 24 and Brady is 32(?)

bwahahaha, only a Jet fan would think a 24 year old CB (no matter WHO that CB is) is worth more than a 32 year HOF QB.

You asked me my take. I gave it to you.

I never want to see Tom Brady on the Jets. Ever.

lol and he's a liar too. The only reason you say this is because you know for a FACT there is 0 chance he will ever be on the Jets. But lie as you may, we all know you'd jizz your pants if Brady ever became a Jet.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

You said last year was a down year and 2008s stats were much worse.
You said he played man coverage vs the #1 and he did not in fact he was the 3rd corner in 07.
You said he is best suited to man (because your team plays it a lot) but the fact is he is afraid of contact and gambles way to much, so he is a tremendous risk on an island.

Last year was a down year considering what he did in 2007. Still better then the guy we are comparing him too, Butler.

He did play man coverage and became the starter on November 24th ,2007. I was wrong about playing against #1s. You win 1 out of 3 there good job. Still doesn't help any argument about Butler because all he did was play #3s because for a majority of the season he was the NICKEL BACK for 11 out of 16 games.

He is best suited for man coverage because he is good at bump n run coverage, not because we play man a lot. What does not being a good tackler have to do with covering a WR? Oh yea thats right NOTHING. Gambles too much but makes plenty of picks while giving up 57% of his passes. Well worth the gamble since the the best CB in the NFL gives up 44%.

It actually supported my point while I was saying its unreliable. Duh. That is my point, you are basing your argument on stats from a site that has obvious inaccuracies. [ /quote]

The site is inaccurate because the 2007 season is incomplete due to the fact the site started DURING the 2007 season and missed out any information that happened prior to opening? Even though the 2008 and 2009 seasons are completely accurate? Right

I didn't say Butler was clearly better, I said Cromartie getting 5 Ints in 2 years refutes your argument.

Playing one year with a fractured hip may affect your ability just a little bit. In 2009 they switched from man to zone because there pass rush was horrendous and the secondaries were getting torched because CBs can't cover WRs for 10 seconds per play. I guess that doesn't make sense?

Go ask any fan is not in my list of valid arguments.

I'll go to a San Diego board and ask.

A- You said you didnt watch Butler play so how do you know who he covered?
B- The stats are not proven accurate
There are many quesitons that need to be answered in how they are compiled
What was the coverage?
How do they determine who to charge the catch agaisnt?
If it is in between a zone, do you charge the corner, safety, LB? Whoever makes the tackle?
Are they just using the stats of the player lined up against that guy?
Was there help?
Was it in prevent defense?

A - I know how he covered based on the ACCURATE stats given.
B - Read above
C - Any thrown at stat on the website is either in man to man or the players zone. If a guy is man to man obviously he would be charged the catch. If you have film to review and half a brain you can figure out who is covering who by watching the play unfold. Example if a CB is playing man to man against WR1 and releases him to the safety in order to pick up WR2, I'd say thats common football sense. It includes prevent defense.

You simply cannot rely totally on stats if you have no idea how they were compiled.

Ok do you have a better website? Overall this website is accurate.

Scheme and pass rush are weak arguments. The fact is he lost his job and was not wanted. The primary reasons cited were that he doesn't follow instuction, plays whatever D he feels, gambles too much, and is apparently unwilling to tackle.
I think you got a stiff.

Scheme and pass rush are weak arguments? hahaha Are you serious? Ok put a great CB on a decent WR and let him try to cover him for 10 seconds and watch the WR get open every time bc NO CB CAN COVER ANYONE ALL DAY. Eventually they get open so if you have a piss poor pass rush, chances are you have piss poor pass defense regardless of whos in your secondary. Scheme is HUGE some players could fit schemes while others can't. Ray Lewis is one of the best MLBs EVER. In the 4-3 he is a God. In the 3-4 hes play takes a noticeable hit because he is not BUILT FOR THAT SCHEME. Ray Lewis ya know, better then any defender whos suited up for the Patriots. You guys drafted McCourtney because the Pats felt he fit your scheme better. We wouldn't of drafted him over Wilson because the Jets feel he fits their scheme better. Still feel scheme and pass rush don't affect players? If you do lets just have our teams fire all coordinators and drop back 11 players on D n see what happens.

One's fools trash is another mans treasure. I'm happy with Cromartie as the Jets #2 CB. To each is their own.

A- if you are going to jusge players by awards you are flawed from the start
B- Mayo was injured. You dont usually earn awards when you miss time for an injury and are slowed because you come back a month early
Your argument was 'he makes more game changing plays' aka "i said so'.

I am flawed from the start? Open your eyes and watch a Jets-Patriots game without your tinted blue glasses. Its not hard to see who is better and who makes play and who does nothing but make tackles. So Sacks, FF and INTs aren't game changing plays they are aka I said so? WOW I guess the NFL should stop tracking those useless plays and only track tackles, THE MOST USELESS STAT IN THE NFL. Yeah he tackled him 10 yards down the field after he picked up a 1st down THAT IS A GAME CHANGER haha. Good job Mayo you have 3 or 4 of those today.

Then you added sacks to compare against a guy who was rarely asked to rush the passer. How do you expect Mayo to get sacks in coverage?

But wait I thought scheme is irrelevant and has no affect on any player? Didn't you say that is a weak argument? Yeah you failed on that one. If Mayo follows the SCHEME and is rarely called to rush the QB, obviously he won't get sacks. But how does that stop him from getting FFs and INTs. hmmm

Again, your argument "I said so" sprinkled in that mine must be bad because Mayo is a Patriot.
If Patriot fans opinions of Patriots are irrelevant isn't your opinion of Jets irrelevant.
The playing field needs to be relevant, and you are starting to sound like a troll, who screams how great the jets are on a patriot board them dismisses a counterargument because it could only be biased.

yea I'm a troll ok lol. I'm showing you legitimate things of how David Harris makes more impact plays. The All Pro team isn't a joke like the fan voted Pro Bowl. The AP watch more Patriot games then i do and more Jet games then you do and unlike both of us, do not favor either in the slightest bit as they are neutral and do not care who you or I like. So why did they not vote the game changer Mayo over David Harris? Because he is NOT BETTER. He is more athletic. He does not hit as hard. He doesn't sack the QB. David Harris made more plays in 1 year then in Mayos whole career how do you not understand that??? There is a word that can be slapped on your forehead for not admitting Mayo doesn't make more impact plays then David Harris. BIAS. Calling me a troll for pointing out the obvious just because it isn't in your favor is a counterargument. That's life.

Here is a better question. Show me why Mayo is better. Please enlighten me.

Since when is evaluation based on stats? What have I evaluated based on stats? Stats are a horrendous method of comparing players. They are instructive as a starting point, at least for a few positions.
My use of stats is to refute stats that you started with.

Again, you are sounding very trollish.
If your argument is going to follow the pattern of
-You make a statement
-Someone disagrees
-You act like your statement is the most honest, unbiased and honorable ever made and any reply by a Patriot fan is unfounded, biased and jaded.

Then why bother.

I agree to a certain extent. Sacks, FFs, INTs and TDs are very important, big time plays on defense. It just so happens Harris has a lot more then Mayo. It is what it is. I make statement, you counter, I counter back that is called debating. The problem is neither is giving in so its become a pointless debate. Like a rocking chair it is giving us something to do but not getting us anywhere.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

you are not posting insights of which I admire.

use of the word 'obviously' is probably followed by failure 99% of the time on the internet, and possibly everywhere else.

Why because they do not favor your players? lol Obviously is followed by failure? your post is what I call a block of crap and you just wasted space in this thread

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Tom Brady, wes welker and Randy Moss are better than any one player the jets have. That is the reason why they are better than the jets. (well, one of many reasons)

Let me ask you this..straight up..would you trade revis for tom brady?

Tom Brady is a top 5 QB. Randy Moss is a top 10 WR who gets thoroughly abused by Revis. Welker is probably a top 10 WR also The difference is Darrelle Revis is the #1 CB in the NFL. I may trade him for Brady because QB>CB. But He is 32 and Revis is 24 with a lot more years left in his career then brady. I probably make this trade anyways.

Revis for either Randy Moss or Welker? After hearing "Hey are you interested in trading Revis for Rand...CLICK" call back saying "Sorry I know i got crazy But what about for Wes Wel....CLICK"

Revis owns Moss why would I trade Revis for him? hahaha look at Moss after Revis 1st NFL game. He has been dominated ever since.

 

[emoney_33]

Last year was a down year considering what he did in 2007.

How does this even make sense to you? He had ONE good year, THREE years ago and that indicates he's good and the last 2 years were "down" years? So Eugene Wilson, for example, is really good he's just having a whole bunch of down years in a row.

Seriously, if he did it multiple years in a row and then had a down year because of injury that's one thing but he had ONE good year three friggin years ago.

 

[ausbacker]

Tom Brady is a top 5 QB. Randy Moss is a top 10 WR who gets thoroughly abused by Revis. Welker is probably a top 10 WR also The difference is Darrelle Revis is the #1 CB in the NFL. I may trade him for Brady because QB>CB. But He is 32 and Revis is 24 with a lot more years left in his career then brady. I probably make this trade anyways.

Revis for either Randy Moss or Welker? After hearing "Hey are you interested in trading Revis for Rand...CLICK" call back saying "Sorry I know i got crazy But what about for Wes Wel....CLICK"

Revis owns Moss why would I trade Revis for him? hahaha look at Moss after Revis 1st NFL game. He has been dominated ever since.

So throughly abused that he was one of two players to catch a touchdown against Revis? I'll be interested to see how a fresh and fit Randy Moss goes against Revis this season. I guarantee you he'll be targeted.

You're kidding yourself if you don't trade Revis for Brady given your side is built to try and challenge for the Superbowl right now.

Come here to talk football yet your obvious troll shines through before 50 posts. Rightio chum.

 

[eom]

Why because they do not favor your players?

because it's idiocy, but I told a mod I'd be more civil so I edited out the comment about you being ******ed.

 

[emoney_33]

Tom Brady is a top 5 QB. Randy Moss is a top 10 WR who gets thoroughly abused by Revis.

He has struggled against the Jets defense which INCLUDES Revis. He has never been "thoroughly abused" by any single player in the NFL. But please let the Jets continue to focus on Moss this year and the rest of the receivers will just destroy them again. This won't be like your SB last year when Welker was out and it was Moss, a rookie QB turned WR, a ****bum and a special teamer.

Revis for either Randy Moss or Welker? After hearing "Hey are you interested in trading Revis for Rand...CLICK" call back saying "Sorry I know i got crazy But what about for Wes Wel....CLICK"

No one ever said anything about trading Moss or Welker for Revis. But I'd take one year of Moss + average CB rather than Revis + average WR.

Revis owns Moss why would I trade Revis for him? hahaha look at Moss after Revis 1st NFL game. He has been dominated ever since.

You spend 9.5 billion joules of energy to explain how Cromartie is really actually great but the scheme has made him look terrible. Yet you have convinced yourself that Revis island is really an island. I guess 6 points against your team is considered "owning" too. Any receiver can be limited when you focus so much attention on him. Revis will succeed on an island against Moss if and only if he's severely injured or aged. Also if this was Moss at the prime of his career, Revis would be getting oxygen on the sidelines.

Revis is awesome, but please stop pretending he is literally on an island covering receivers.