OT: Revis wants 20M per year...

[Ruby2]

Why? They were a 9 win side last year and don't appear to have made any outstanding changes to that roster other than adding "name" players?

I don't think it's silly to suggest it at all. That doesn't mean I agree that the Jets will be a 9 win side.

Why? because I think their moves will more likely work out more than backfire.

And besides, even if the Jets remained exactly the same, I would expect a better record due to Sanchez being in his second year.

 

[ausbacker]

Why? because I think their moves will more likely work out more than backfire.

And besides, even if the Jets remained exactly the same, I would expect a better record due to Sanchez being in his second year.

Does that mean I'm allowed to assume the Patriots will improve because Tom Brady is back in his second year from his knee recon? If that's the case the Jets are a wild card again then and not playing a 3rd place schedule this time around.

Do you see what I am getting at at all?

 

[Ruby2]

Does that mean I'm allowed to assume the Patriots will improve because Tom Brady is back in his second year from his knee recon? If that's the case the Jets are a wild card again then.

Do you see what I am getting at at all?

Yes I would expect the Pats to be better this year for that very reason.

I don't know if the Jets made enough improvements to surpass the Pats, but that is why they play the games.

And yes I see what you are getting at in saying that well why can't you assume every team will improve based on those grounds. But the leap from rookie qb to 2nd year can be very significant.

 

[eom]

Why? because I think their moves will more likely work out more than backfire.

And besides, even if the Jets remained exactly the same, I would expect a better record due to Sanchez being in his second year.

don't they play a different schedule this year, or do they just play the same teams over again?

 

[Ruby2]

don't they play a different schedule this year, or do they just play the same teams over again?

Same teams.

 

[ausbacker]

Yes I would expect the Pats to be better this year for that very reason.

I don't know if the Jets made enough improvements to surpass the Pats, but that is why they play the games.

And yes I see what you are getting at in saying that well why can't you assume every team will improve based on those grounds. But the leap from rookie qb to 2nd year can be very significant.

But the Jets play what appears a tougher schedule this year. Off-season is pointless in discussion I've found. Even Tampa Bay fans would be sitting there thinking they've got a chance for a winning season. Off-season is all about hope and optimism. We're all 14-2 Superbowl calibre teams at this point.

The reality is if 66% of moves work then you're a genius. That's all I am saying. Bring the expectation for moves down a little, sprinkle in some potential improvement and that's where reality is.

 

[Ruby2]

But the Jets play what appears a tougher schedule this year. Off-season is pointless in discussion I've found. Even Tampa Bay fans would be sitting there thinking they've got a chance for a winning season. Off-season is all about hope and optimism. We're all 14-2 Superbowl calibre teams at this point.

The reality is if 66% of moves work then you're a genius. That's all I am saying. Bring the expectation for moves down a little, sprinkle in some potential improvement and that's where reality is.

Fair enough. I agree with you that this discussion is futile, but thats what internet message boards are for.

 

[eom]

the indy game was a joke, the sd playoff was won by 3 when sd missed fg's of 36 and 40 yards, and I'm willing to sub the cincy playoff win for the reg season game, giving them 8 legit wins.

hou, ne, early season collins led 0-6 titans, oak, car, buffahole, tampa, cincy ---- total record of 59-69 or .460, an average 7 wins per team if you give the titans credit for their final season record with young at qb.

they only play 5 teams next year who had a sub .500 record, and one of those is miami, who smoked their ass twice last year.

 

[Ring 6]

Why? because I think their moves will more likely work out more than backfire.

And besides, even if the Jets remained exactly the same, I would expect a better record due to Sanchez being in his second year.

9-7 would truly be an imporvement because 2 wins were gifts.
You are still saddled with Sanchez at QB. Unless you are benching him you are still limited by his poor play.
Now, if we are basing things on the assumption that players will get better because we want them to, then I'll go write up all the guys who will be better and make the Pats 19-0 next year.

 

[Ruby2]

9-7 would truly be an imporvement because 2 wins were gifts.
You are still saddled with Sanchez at QB. Unless you are benching him you are still limited by his poor play.
Now, if we are basing things on the assumption that players will get better because we want them to, then I'll go write up all the guys who will be better and make the Pats 19-0 next year.

You guys whining about the 2 "gift" wins sound just like Jets fans whining about spygate.

Sanchez isn't going to get better because I want him to. He is going to get better because he is a talented player entering his second year as a starter.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Nowhere did I say that the Jets are now ready to win the superbowl.

What about my post is so ridiculous or homeristic? Please tell me

If you read my post, you can see that I am not calling any of their additions superstars or all pro's, rather that they are better than what the Jets had last year. Its a fair and objective viewpoint, something that clearly is lost with some of the posters on this board.

I'll grant that Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard. Not a huge one, but he's an upgrade. Although it does call to mind how you guys were all saying the EXACT same things about Sheppard when you got him that you're saying about Cromartie now. I would expect that the Sheppard debacle would be an object lesson to you guys in how trading for a Pro Bowl name with diminished skills doesn't necessarily improve your team, but... well, not everyone learns from the past.

When Santonio Holmes' suspension ends, he'll be helpful, but his touches will just come at the expense of Braylon Edwards (yet another example of a recent savior turned into a pariah today, along with Faneca, Rhodes, Washington, Gholston, and Favre). And BTW, the Jets could very easily be 1-3 before he even steps on the field.

The rest? Jason Taylor and Tomlinson aren't improvements. Do you really think that Tomlinson, at this point in his career, is better than Thomas Jones? Because if so, that, in particular, is what makes your post ridiculously homerific. That and expecting that a rookie is going to immediately replace Faneca, who, even in his diminished state, was still more than capable against the run.

 

[Ruby2]

I'll grant that Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard. Not a huge one, but he's an upgrade. Although it does call to mind how you guys were all saying the EXACT same things about Sheppard when you got him that you're saying about Cromartie now. I would expect that the Sheppard debacle would be an object lesson to you guys in how trading for a Pro Bowl name with diminished skills doesn't necessarily improve your team, but... well, not everyone learns from the past.

When Santonio Holmes' suspension ends, he'll be helpful, but his touches will just come at the expense of Braylon Edwards (yet another example of a recent savior turned into a pariah today, along with Faneca, Rhodes, Washington, Gholston, and Favre). And BTW, the Jets could very easily be 1-3 before he even steps on the field.

The rest? Jason Taylor and Tomlinson aren't improvements. Do you really think that Tomlinson, at this point in his career, is better than Thomas Jones? Because if so, that, in particular, is what makes your post ridiculously homerific. That and expecting that a rookie is going to immediately replace Faneca, who, even in his diminished state, was still more than capable against the run.

If nothing else can we please stop putting emphasis on Tomlinson. He isn't going to be asked to be the number 1 running back. You want to say our #2 running back will not be good as last year? Fine, I don't consider that a big deal.

You make a good point with Lito though I will give you that. Some teams don't learn from past mistakes, see Joey Galloway and now Torry Holt

And also just to point out, it is not a given that Ducasse will be starting at left guard. The Jets are pretty high on 2nd year player Matt Slauson who played at Nebraska with Bill Callahan who is now the Jets line coach. Say what you will about Callahan as a head coach, but he knows his stuff when it comes to the line.

 

[averywhitehall]

the indy game was a joke, the sd playoff was won by 3 when sd missed fg's of 36 and 40 yards, and I'm willing to sub the cincy playoff win for the reg season game, giving them 8 legit wins.

hou, ne, early season collins led 0-6 titans, oak, car, buffahole, tampa, cincy ---- total record of 59-69 or .460, an average 7 wins per team if you give the titans credit for their final season record with young at qb.

they only play 5 teams next year who had a sub .500 record, and one of those is miami, who smoked their ass twice last year.

For all this talk about how bad the Jets were and how the teams they beat sucked so much, the Pats weren't that much better. The Patriots only beat the Jets in the division by one game. This was a Jets team with a rookie QB who cost them a couple of games and looked abysmal at times. Maybe you should be more thankful at the Jets regular season ineptitude. Forget about all the big name acquisitions the Jets made this off season...if the QB plays better than he did last season (and I believe/hope he will) the Patriots will be in trouble.

Also, you can see why the Jets couldn't afford to stand pat with their personnel. AFC championship game or not, the Jets were still a 9-7 team and could not afford to over-estimate their talent.

 

[Brady2Welker]

For all this talk about how bad the Jets were and how the teams they beat sucked so much, the Pats weren't that much better. The Patriots only beat the Jets in the division by one game. This was a Jets team with a rookie QB who cost them a couple of games and looked abysmal at times. Maybe you should be more thankful at the Jets regular season ineptitude. Forget about all the big name acquisitions the Jets made this off season...if the QB plays better than he did last season (and I believe/hope he will) the Patriots will be in trouble.

Also, you can see why the Jets couldn't afford to stand pat with their personnel. AFC championship game or not, the Jets were still a 9-7 team and could not afford to over-estimate their talent.

The Patriots were hardly god-mode last season, true enough. But the Patriots haven't paraded around this off season talking about how they're favorites to win everything. That's where my annoyance with the Jets starts.

 

[Ruby2]

The Patriots were hardly god-mode last season, true enough. But the Patriots haven't paraded around this off season talking about how they're favorites to win everything. That's where my annoyance with the Jets starts.

Can't argue with that. That would piss me off if I was an opposing fan as well.

 

[ausbacker]

For all this talk about how bad the Jets were and how the teams they beat sucked so much, the Pats weren't that much better. The Patriots only beat the Jets in the division by one game. This was a Jets team with a rookie QB who cost them a couple of games and looked abysmal at times. Maybe you should be more thankful at the Jets regular season ineptitude. Forget about all the big name acquisitions the Jets made this off season...if the QB plays better than he did last season (and I believe/hope he will) the Patriots will be in trouble.

Also, you can see why the Jets couldn't afford to stand pat with their personnel. AFC championship game or not, the Jets were still a 9-7 team and could not afford to over-estimate their talent.

Absolutely right. The Patriots weren't at their normal standards last year yet still won the division. Scary concept isn't it.

 

[averywhitehall]

I'll grant that Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard. Not a huge one, but he's an upgrade. Although it does call to mind how you guys were all saying the EXACT same things about Sheppard when you got him that you're saying about Cromartie now. I would expect that the Sheppard debacle would be an object lesson to you guys in how trading for a Pro Bowl name with diminished skills doesn't necessarily improve your team, but... well, not everyone learns from the past.

When Santonio Holmes' suspension ends, he'll be helpful, but his touches will just come at the expense of Braylon Edwards (yet another example of a recent savior turned into a pariah today, along with Faneca, Rhodes, Washington, Gholston, and Favre). And BTW, the Jets could very easily be 1-3 before he even steps on the field.

The rest? Jason Taylor and Tomlinson aren't improvements. Do you really think that Tomlinson, at this point in his career, is better than Thomas Jones? Because if so, that, in particular, is what makes your post ridiculously homerific. That and expecting that a rookie is going to immediately replace Faneca, who, even in his diminished state, was still more than capable against the run.

Why are you comparing Jones & Tomlinson. Yes they replaced each other on the roster, but they are not the replacements on the field for each other.

It's replacing Jones with Grenne and Greene with Tomlinson. Greene is an upgrade (ability/skill wise) over Jones. Someone younger, faster, hits the hole with more power/burst, dishes out punishment and averaged more YPC than Jones last season. Only time will tell if he can be the workhorse over the season. I also believe with a better line Tomlinson will be a more productive player than he was last season at SD.

Braylon Edwards sacrificed touches last season.

Jayson Talyor is replacing Vernon Gholston/Bryan Thomas. How is that not an upgrade?

Replacing Faneca with a rookie is a very good point. But I think Ducasse will not be the guy. Matt Slauson a 6th round draft pick from 2008 might be the guy. Whoever he is will pass block better than Faneca who allowed 6 & 1/2 sacks last season the most of any guard in the NFL. Run blocking will be a key thing to look for, but I have to trust the Jets brain trust knows what it's doing.

 

[Ring 6]

You guys whining about the 2 "gift" wins sound just like Jets fans whining about spygate.

Sanchez isn't going to get better because I want him to. He is going to get better because he is a talented player entering his second year as a starter.

Many QBs digress in their 2nd year. You don't think he will because you don't want him to.
There is nothing he did last season that leads to the conclusion he will get better this season. His decision making is terrible his arm strength mediocre, and he does not speak like someone who realizes he sucked and must improve drastically, in fact, ever since he was drafted he has carried himself like he has already 'arrived'.

 

[Ring 6]

You guys whining about the 2 "gift" wins sound just like Jets fans whining about spygate.

Sanchez isn't going to get better because I want him to. He is going to get better because he is a talented player entering his second year as a starter.

How is pointing out that there 9-7 record is fluffed up by playing 2 games against teams that didnt care to try whining? Actually we are pointing out fact, you are whining because you don't like the fact.

 

[Ruby2]

Many QBs digress in their 2nd year. You don't think he will because you don't want him to.
There is nothing he did last season that leads to the conclusion he will get better this season. His decision making is terrible his arm strength mediocre, and he does not speak like someone who realizes he sucked and must improve drastically, in fact, ever since he was drafted he has carried himself like he has already 'arrived'.

Mediocre arm strength? That is hysterical. Sanchez has a plus arm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQ8thzcT7s

Thats 55+ yards in the air right there.

And there are plenty of things he did that would lead to think improvement is possible, his performance in the playoffs being one of them.

And please list all these qb's who digress in their 2nd year. Matt Ryan was injured last year. And even still, for every Matt Ryan there is a Carso Palmer. Check his 2nd year stats. It could go either way, but the logical assumption is to think a player will improve from their rookie season.