Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by teams]

[eagle eye]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

On Weis at Notre Dame, I've been following them very closely too. Their D is horrific, there are guys playing who don't even have the basic concept of holding onto a player down.

He has been unlucky with injuries too on offense, Floyd went out early this year. They had nobody to replace him.

Thats why I like Tate so much, he was being doubled and even tripled teamed at times and he still got open. He is not the biggest guy but he is one tough mofo. Guaranteed to make it big in the NFL imo.

 

[TennesseePatriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

On Weis at Notre Dame, I've been following them very closely too. Their D is horrific, there are guys playing who don't even have the basic concept of holding onto a player down.

He has been unlucky with injuries too on offense, Floyd went out early this year. They had nobody to replace him.

Thats why I like Tate so much, he was being doubled and even tripled teamed at times and he still got open. He is not the biggest guy but he is one tough mofo. Guaranteed to make it big in the NFL imo.

Wish the Patriots could get a handle on him, Spiller, or Gerhart. But they'll all have been picked up in the draft by the time we get our first pick.

 

[MaxVonDoom]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.

College and the NFL are 2 different animals.

 

[fnordcircle]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

I can see him joining in some sort of assistant coach capacity, but no way Belichick puts him in charge of playcalling over halfway through the season and 3 years removed from our system and our personnel.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

i say he's the browns HC next year why not go for pats coach #3 lol at lest he knows brady quinn

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

i say he's the browns HC next year why not go for pats coach #3 lol at lest he knows brady quinn

Knowing a ton of Browns fans, I can safely say they want no part of Mini Belichick Pt. 3.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie is a multi millionaire today courtesy of the Fighting Irish. I doubt he wants to come back to work as an OC at this level putting in 80 hours a week in season and 40+ in the off season for a million a year. And if he does it likely wouldn't be back in Bill's shadow. Or Brady's. This offense and the QB who runs it has evolved since 2004.

Pioli could use an OC since his hot headed HC fired his in pre season and he has a young QB who is familiar with the system pre and post Moss.

Going to Cleveland and salvaging Quinn's career would likely have some appeal if not for the fact that Mangini tarnished Charlie's year's here and that whole organizational situation is such a cluster**** .

Anyone who still wonders whether it was Belichick or his coordinators needs their heads examined. Neither was remotely HC material on so many levels. RAC was a great guy. Charlie more the SOB type. Absent a firm lone genius hand at the controls like BB both were toast. Charlie would be a good OC fit for a young team with a strong organization. RAC would be a good DC fit for a veteran team with a solid organization.

But somehow I doubt either is ready to give up on ultimately succeeding so eventually they will follow the money and look for a place to re-establish THEMSELVES as NFL coordinators and not felled branches of the Belichick tree. Although since neither is hurting financially and both are older and have health issues (and Charlie has family concerns as well with a young son and a severely developmentally handicapped daughter) they may not be willing to become ultimate gypsies again in search of the brass ring.

As I understand it if RAC went back to work for an NFL team Cleveland would be off the hook for whatever he signed for but would owe him any remaining difference. Charlie's case is unknown since his contract terms with ND, a private school, are not public knowledge. He won't quit, so if they fire him he is owed all or part of that extension he signed that covers another 6 years, depending on the terms of his individual contract. Could be less than several million or it could be approaching $20M+. That was the buyout figure negotiated into his 10 year extension that an NFL team would have had to pay ND to hire him away from them while under contract. What amount of that extension his agent got them to guarantee him against firing in exchange for signing it is anyone's guess. But at any rate Charlie has already earned +/-$15M in his ND tenure.

 

[bigfandan]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

he's a better OC than he is a head coach nuff said.

He is not going to come and even if he comes, he is of little use here.
He is NOT the the same hungry guy 6 years ago. He has 100 times more $s in bank accounts; plus personality wise it does not make sense any more. Who was the last ND head coach that transitioned to be a good assistant? No body.

He has been the chief executive of the ND football program. It's hard to come down from that to an assistant position scraping a living drawing up new offese plays.

Being in Chicago, I get to watch a lot of ND games. He looked extremely overweight. His physique screams laziness and lack of self-dispiline. How can anyone be so self-indulgent (in eating) to let them grow to 400 lbs? This is by no means to offend oversized guys; but come on, he is so heavily most of times it looks as if he could barely move. Not kidding.

 

[stinkypete]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Stay away, Weiss looks beyond burned out at this point.

 

[Laurence Maroney's Dreads]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Knowing a ton of Browns fans, I can safely say they want no part of Mini Belichick Pt. 3.

I may be nitpicking... but calling RAC, Mangenius and Charlie "Mini Belichicks" might be a bad choice of words.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

I may be nitpicking... but calling RAC, Mangenius and Charlie "Mini Belichicks" might be a bad choice of words.

Yeah, you know what I meant though

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

If someone can speculate about something in their head, it's a news story.

 

[DarrylS]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Do not see Charlie returning... why would he???, he is either going to finish out his 40 million contract or they will give him a hefty buy out, either way he does not need the aggravation..

Suggestion to Charlie, get your health straightened out before you do anything else...

Many fans forget that how many posters questioned Charlies decisions and loathed his offense...

 

[MaxVonDoom]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Do not see Charlie returning... why would he???, he is either going to finish out his 40 million contract or they will give him a hefty buy out, either way he does not need the aggravation..

Suggestion to Charlie, get your health straightened out before you do anything else...

Many fans forget that how many posters questioned Charlies decisions and loathed his offense...

His health? You saying he aint just pleasantly plump?

Im fine with Chuck Dub but if he goes to a rival I will hate him

 

[doesntmatter1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

I don't really want him back but he did some little things that i still don't understand why we don't do them today. Like those quick hits as soon as the ball is snapped and those hard slants that Farve always does use to be a huge part of this offense when we had charlie. Those slants weren't as deep as the ones farve throws but they were effective. Weiss would also run the ball on 3rd and 8, etc. It was pretty unconventional but it kept the defense on its heels the entire game.

Our offense definitely scores more points now but it just seemed harder to gameplan against us because we used to use anyone and everyone much like the saints do today.

 

[strongside]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

With Weis all but out later tonight after the ND/Stanford game, does the 'Weis to Patriots' story have any legs? It's been speculated about, but would BB seriously name Weis OC during the season? How about as an offensive consultant? We haven't won a SB since Weis left as OC.

I remember towards the end of the 2007 season, after Notre Dame's season ended, Weis was reported to have been on the Pats sideline. Was that the last game of the season against the Giants in the Meadowlands?

What do you think? Will Charlie return to the Pats this season?

QB12

Only if he agrees to bring golden tate along with him.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie will not return here. Anything less than another ring would be chalked up as a failure on his part. One place he could contribute value would be as OC for the Cows. He's a strong personality and Romo the rongheaded (sic) could benefit from Charlie's talents. But ask yourself why does a multimillionaire with way more than 10 million dollars need a job working over 80 hours a week? (Read Pepper Johnson's book on the Pats to find out the brutal hours these guys put in) Charlie's young family with a developmently disabled child could use lots of parenting. Given financial security exceeding that in the top 1%, that's a choice to consider.

 

[rhodeislandpatsfan]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Where did BB surface after Cleveland, right back with Parcells. I think that turned out to be a pretty good move for him.

With that said, offense is not this team's problem! Defense has been the issue for the past three seasons. They have let teams back into games in the second half for years. They never have seemed to have that killer instinct that the offense has.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie will not return here. Anything less than another ring would be chalked up as a failure on his part. One place he could contribute value would be as OC for the Cows. He's a strong personality and Romo the rongheaded (sic) could benefit from Charlie's talents. But ask yourself why does a multimillionaire with way more than 10 million dollars need a job working over 80 hours a week? (Read Pepper Johnson's book on the Pats to find out the brutal hours these guys put in) Charlie's young family with a developmently disabled child could use lots of parenting. Given financial security exceeding that in the top 1%, that's a choice to consider.

Um, why does Belichick work? Why do the Krafts work? Why do all NFL head coaches work? Don't they have families too?

 

[edgeofepic]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

I have watched the Irish all season and on the offensive side of the ball Charlie still has it... in fact, one could argue that's he's been better working with the college offense than he did with the Pats. Either way, after seeing some dubious playcalling by the Pats O this year I wouldn't mind having him back. But you have to think that with millions falling out of his pocket he'd be smart to take a year off and regain his health and get back down to just being obese (instead of morbidly obese like he is now.)

Frankly, he does great things with QB's. Ego wise I don't think he'll come back to the Pats. If you recall Parcells considered himself a "rebuilder" and for the most part he was. I think Weis thinks of himself more as a Parcells type than a Belichick type. For those "rebuilder" type ego reasons I could see him going to the Cowboys to rebuild Romo or possibly KC to work with Cassell. In both cases you have Pats connections (Cassell - former Patriot; Cowboys - probably Parcells could put in a good word still).