2 bad challenges, and the most unimaganitve 2nd half...

[Kontradiction]

In 2003, the Pats' offense had serious problem staying on the field and converting 3rd downs. In fact, the Pats had the worst 3rd down conversion percentage of Brady's career that year. They found ways around it.

Some of you are making a far bigger deal and acting like the sky is falling. The Pats won and won decisively today. They were never in serious danger of losing the lead. The defense stopped the Jets on every drive other than one. The offense took their foot off the pedal a bit, but it was partially because their o-line was decimated.

BTW, if the Pats didn't get a punt blocked for a TD, this game wouldn't have even been remotely interesting in the second half.

Isn't it funny, the striking similarities that this team has to that 2003 squad?

 

[muzz]

We won the game by 17 points and are 7-3, people are acting like we lost and are like in 3rd place in our division.

We play the teams that are on our schedule, we cant help how good/bad they are. Is it our fault that Sanchez didnt have a good game today? I think that the Pats D had a lot to do with that. Why are you bringing last weeks game up with Manning and his INT's?

The Jets arent a "jv high school team". That team dominated us in Week 2. Were they a JV team then? No, people were legitimately worried about them. They are 4-6, and a lot better than some other teams in the league.

I agree that the win wasnt perfect, but people cannot expect perfection every week and that is what bothers me when we win by 17 and have people that have nothing but negative things to say.

Perfection?

How about we stay aggressive and put it to them in the 2nd half instead of turning into a rotten vegetable like we usually do when we have the lead, and STARTED to do again today!!
Sanchize the ROOKIE bailed our D out, as those throws were NOT EVEN CLOSE[like the 2 ducks last week] to their targets, any decent Qb would have shredded them IMO.
Yeah there are folks that overeact, but there are just as many apologists that refuse to see that the team struggled AGAIN when it had a BIG lead.....that's leadership, not the players...the coaching gets into the "lets not lose" mode instead of the "lets finish them off NOW "mode.

This is MY OPINION, and I know I'll get bashed for it by the apologists that say "we are 100-1 blah blah blah..." whatever, we AREN'T finishing teams off even though we put them into a 1 dimensional mode, and that is a big worry....especially when some of these team are CHUMPS-in week 2 that Jets team played a team that is NOWHERE like the team they played today, the D wasn't close, Brady was basically looking for his game, and Welker was out...
I actually thought it should have been a serious Beatdown/humiliation, but AGAIN we only scored 7 points in the ENTIRE second half against those tards.
THAT is becoming a trend and a serious concern, as it is TYPICAL of our losses throughout the year..... put a decent QB on the jets and I feel the results is not to our liking due to this weak 2nd half play.

Listen I'm GLAD that we won, we beat the weakass by 17 points, but IMO the game was closer than the score (if that makes any sense to folks)indicated, and a REAL QB would have made a difference, cuz Sanchize SUCKS HUGE BAG, that has been PROVEN before today.

Lets not turn this into I hate the team, I think they suck, I don't appreciate..yadda yadda yadda...... cuz that is all crap.

 

[Rob0729]

You are flat out wrong in too many ways here Rob. We aren't criticizing just this one game. We are criticizing all of the games, and all of the teams short comings. Just like you think we are acting like the sky is falling, I feel as though you are failing to see the picture.

If you think the Pats are going anywhere in the playoffs if these miscues and failures to adjust playcalling and time management, then sir, I want what you are smoking.

Well, if we lost in overtime to a KC Chiefs game today, I would say we are going to the Super Bowl because some of you think the Pats have no shot against a team like the Steelers.

Again, the Pats were one 4th and 2 play away from beating the Colts last week even with second half problems. I'd say if the Pats and Colts play 10 times like they both played last week, the Pats win more than 5.

The Pats are 7-3 which is tied for the second best record in the AFC. One of the teams the Pats are tied with lost to the Raiders today. Every team in the NFL are looking at their team and saying that if they don't fix this or that, they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs. Right now, the Pats are among the 3-5 best teams in the NFL. And 1 and 2 are not putting any separation between them and the teams behind them.

 

[Rob0729]

Isn't it funny, the striking similarities that this team has to that 2003 squad?

On defense, not on offense. This offense is better than that offense. Granted that defense is better this this defense. It does have some similiarities in that there were a lot of rookies stepping up and the secondary was totally revamped for the better.

 

[wilfork is beastin']

the one thing that concerned me were the delay of games. Brady had that problem before with the Jets so it seems to be a strange trend. Besides, as bad as the offense was for most of the 2nd half some of it was just bad luck (faulk droping a beauty of a pass on 3rd and long which would have given them the 1st down). also, as for Wilhite, as someone else pointed out he had good coverage on the TD, it was just a perfectly executed throw.

 

[The Dynasty]

Perfection?

Listen I'm GLAD that we won, we beat the weakass by 17 points, but IMO the game was closer than the score (if that makes any sense to folks)indicated, and a REAL QB would have made a difference, cuz Sanchize SUCKS HUGE BAG, that has been PROVEN before today.

Lets not turn this into I hate the team, I think they suck, I don't appreciate..yadda yadda yadda...... cuz that is all crap.

The game was not closer than 17 points, I really dont know how you come to that conclusion. We dominated today and have the stats to prove it:
- First Downs: Pats 27 Jets 12
- Total Yards: Pats 410 Jets 226
- Turnovers: Pats 1 Jets 5
- TOP: Pats: 39:54 Jets: 20:06

Pretty dominating to me....

I have an issue with the constant negativity. Before the 07 season were fans always so negative after wins on this site? No, the 07 season has completely changed all fans expectations.

 

[HarkDawg]

I think the hits hes talking about was on a screen play or run? where LeVoir blew up a jets DB...can't think of the play someone will correct me

Levoir..... despite being inferior to VOLLMER played well.... he is a nice other option to have...... VOLLMER for LT makes the most sense.

 

[Kontradiction]

On defense, not on offense. This offense is better than that offense. Granted that defense is better this this defense. It does have some similiarities in that there were a lot of rookies stepping up and the secondary was totally revamped for the better.

I don't even have to make the obvious Seymour-Milloy comparisons...

 

[Rob0729]

The game was not closer than 17 points, I really dont know how you come to that conclusion. We dominated today and have the stats to prove it:
- First Downs: Pats 27 Jets 12
- Total Yards: Pats 410 Jets 226
- Turnovers: Pats 1 Jets 5
- TOP: Pats: 39:54 Jets: 20:06

Pretty dominating to me....

I have an issue with the constant negativity. Before the 07 season were fans always so negative after wins on this site? No, the 07 season has completely changed all fans expectations.

I posted this in another thread. Here are the Jets possessions in the second half other than the one TD drive:

- 5 plays for 34 yards ending on the 50, punt
- 1 play intercepted on the first pass
- 4 plays for -1 yard which is intercepted on the fourth play
- 6 plays for 42 yards which ends on a strip sack fumble turnover.
- 2 plays for 28 yards that ended without getting past the 45 and the game ending.

How exactly was the defense playing poorly in the second half? How was the game closer than the 17 point margin of victory indicated? The Jets had one decent drive all night.

 

[Frezo]

Yup. I assume that you are talking about the hit on the Kickoff.

Now as far as BB was throwing the challenge flag. Everyone in our section was calling for him to do it. That guy did not have control of his bodily functions, never mind the ball. But I guess his knee was down before the rest of his body gave out.

I'm glad he was not seriously hurt.

No, it was the clear out hit on the Welker screen. He tatooed the guy.

 

[muzz]

The game was not closer than 17 points, I really dont know how you come to that conclusion. We dominated today and have the stats to prove it:
- First Downs: Pats 27 Jets 12
- Total Yards: Pats 410 Jets 226
- Turnovers: Pats 1 Jets 5
- TOP: Pats: 39:54 Jets: 20:06

Pretty dominating to me....

I have an issue with the constant negativity. Before the 07 season were fans always so negative after wins on this site? No, the 07 season has completely changed all fans expectations.

SEE THOSE 5 TOS?
How many were RIDICULOUS throws and Fumble by their LOSER/CRAPPY QB?

You didn't mention the fact that we had another team on the ropes at the 1/2 AGAIN, and we barely put them away with a WHOPPING 7 2nd 1/2 points, the difference from this game to the losses can be directly traced to a LOSER ROOKIE QB that has had a HABIT.......(BEFORE TODAY) of throwing MANY picks and losing because of it.


Why didn't the Pats Offense score more than 7 points in the 2nd 1/2..even WITH all those Jets TOs?

Just like Denver= LOSS
"" "" Week2 Jets=LOSS
"" "" Indy=LOSS

This team won Today, I am proud of them, and VERY GLAD, but I am trying to be realistic to what I am seeing, and I'm not digging the weakass 2nd half performance of the Offense AND the Defense......this week they got a serious BREAK due to the idiot that the Jesters Drafted.

 

[Rob0729]

SEE THOSE 5 TOS?
How many were RIDICULOUS throws and Fumble by their LOSER/CRAPPY QB?

You didn't mention the fact that we had another team on the ropes at the 1/2 AGAIN, and we barely put them away with a WHOPPING 7 2nd 1/2 points, the difference from this game to the losses can be directly traced to a LOSER ROOKIE QB that has had a HABIT.......(BEFORE TODAY) of throwing MANY picks and losing because of it.


Why didn't the Pats Offense score more than 7 points in the 2nd 1/2..even WITH all those Jets TOs?

Just like Denver= LOSS
"" "" Week2 Jets=LOSS
"" "" Indy=LOSS

This team won Today, I am proud of them, and VERY GLAD, but I am trying to be realistic to what I am seeing, and I'm not digging the weakass 2nd half performance of the Offense AND the Defense......this week they got a serious BREAK due to the idiot that the Jesters Drafted.

Most of those bad throws by Sanchez is because the Pats pressured him into making stupid throws. The Meriweather INT was because they flushed Sanchez out of the pocket and forced him to throw on the run.

Many bad throws by QBs are because the defense force them to throw bad throws.

 

[Satchboogie3]

I know some people are don't think much of our 2nd half woes, but the stats alone are pretty unsettling.
Through 10 Games:
First Half Points - 196
2nd Half Points - 94
68% of the points we have scored have been in the 1st half.

We have outscored our opponents by just 12 points in the 2nd half (1.2 per game).

The real problem is the running game. The offense becomes predictable, we can't run the ball balance the offense and run the clock. The defensive philosophy definitely needs work, but the second half offense has been terrible. I'd love to see a breakdown of yardage/3-n-outs in the 2nd half vs 1st half this season.

 

[muzz]

Most of those bad throws by Sanchez is because the Pats pressured him into making stupid throws. The Meriweather INT was because they flushed Sanchez out of the pocket and forced him to throw on the run.

Many bad throws by QBs are because the defense force them to throw bad throws.

Sometimes yes....of course.......Last weeks? NO those were wounded ducks, this weeks....eh, who knows with that chump.

That also doesn't clear up the 2nd 1/2 issues with the Offense, especially when we have a lead.

 

[The Dynasty]

SEE THOSE 5 TOS?
How many were RIDICULOUS throws and Fumble by their LOSER/CRAPPY QB?

You didn't mention the fact that we had another team on the ropes at the 1/2 AGAIN, and we barely put them away with a WHOPPING 7 2nd 1/2 points, the difference from this game to the losses can be directly traced to a LOSER ROOKIE QB that has had a HABIT.......(BEFORE TODAY) of throwing MANY picks and losing because of it.


Why didn't the Pats Offense score more than 7 points in the 2nd 1/2..even WITH all those Jets TOs?

Just like Denver= LOSS
"" "" Week2 Jets=LOSS
"" "" Indy=LOSS

This team won Today, I am proud of them, and VERY GLAD, but I am trying to be realistic to what I am seeing, and I'm not digging the weakass 2nd half performance of the Offense AND the Defense......this week they got a serious BREAK due to the idiot that the Jesters Drafted.

What you're failing to understand is that the Patriots forced Sanchez into these bad throws. Both good coverage and getting pressure on Sanchez really frustrated him and made him probably have his worst day as a pro. Give the Pats D some props...

The Pats scored 17 points off of Jets turnovers, I think thats getting the jo b done, obviously the difference in the game.

 

[The Dynasty]

Sometimes yes....of course.......Last weeks? NO those were wounded ducks, this weeks....eh, who knows with that chump.

That also doesn't clear up the 2nd 1/2 issues with the Offense, especially when we have a lead.

I think the issues with the O when we have a lead will be cleared up once Neal, Light, Morris and Taylor get back. Morris and Taylor are those bruising backs that will run hard and get 1st downs, and missing Light and Neal obviously has an effect on the OL.

 

[Reckedtrek]

No, it was the clear out hit on the Welker screen. He tatooed the guy.

I DVR'd the game. It was at 8:30 left in the second quarter, and Levoir just blew the DB up "clearing the way". I don't think the guy knew what day it was once he finally got up and was walked off of the field.

Vicious hit. It was awesome.

 

[The Dynasty]

I DVR'd the game. It was at 8:30 left in the second quarter, and Levoir just blew the DB up "clearing the way". I don't think the guy knew what day it was once he finally got up and was walked off of the field.

Vicious hit. It was awesome.

Yes, I remember this play, really was a good block. The CB never saw him coming

 

[patsfan-1982]

there was some good's and bad's today

the good

tom brady had 300 yerd's passing for the first time every vs the jets not even in he's record year or 2007 did he have 300 yerd's vs the jets

maroney looked good vs a pretty good D with a bad run blocking O line

today pretty much end's the jets season

the bad

Leigh Bodden made him self a whole lot of money today by picking off 3 of the worst pass's ever thrown
he will not be back next year lol

the D got burned deep when the jets rookie QB made a real throw and if the jets would have put Kellen Clemens in at QB he would have got them at lest 10 more point's

the pats had a punt blocked for a TD

but over all it was a big win


next week we will see again where this team stand's vs a 10-0 saints team that i think is a lot better then the colts

the saints are #1 in point's and Total Offense #6 in passing and #5 in rushing

they have a lot of play maker's at DB something the colts did not have because of all the injury's

and the saints have a few passrusher's

they will need neal and light back next week

its going to be a good game

 

[HarkDawg]

there was some good's and bad's today

the good

tom brady had 300 yerd's passing for the first time every vs the jets not even in he's record year or 2007 did he have 300 yerd's vs the jets

maroney looked good vs a pretty good D with a bad run blocking O line

today pretty much end's the jets season

the bad

Leigh Bodden made him self a whole lot of money today by picking off 3 of the worst pass's ever thrown
he will not be back next year lol

the D got burned deep when the jets rookie QB made a real throw and if the jets would have put Kellen Clemens in at QB he would have got them at lest 10 more point's

the pats had a punt blocked for a TD

but over all it was a big win


next week we will see again where this team stand's vs a 10-0 saints team that i think is a lot better then the colts

the saints are #1 in point's and Total Offense #6 in passing and #5 in rushing

they have a lot of play maker's at DB something the colts did not have because of all the injury's

and the saints have a few passrusher's

they will need neal and light back next week

its going to be a good game

regarding Leigh B..... what is his current CONTRACT????

You do realize it should be a "No Cap" year next season???? why will we have trouble regaining him?