2 bad challenges, and the most unimaganitve 2nd half...

[Joker]

didn't take the "Sky Is Falling!!!" crowd long to rip a 17 point Patriots win over hated rival Jets....

 

[Rob0729]

I see your point, but when will you be satisfied? I feel like that 07 team has completely changed fans expectations. Fans expect perfection and domination every week now. We won by 17 points, forced 5 turnovers and Welker had 15 catches. That sounds like a pretty decent game to me, and we shouldnt really be concerned. If we only won by 7, and the Jets had a chance at the end, maybe there would be a little concern, but we won by 17 points.

Yeah, the rest of the country are talking about this game as a total domination by the Pats with a short window where the Jets had a slight chance of getting back in. Here, people are focusing on one bad drive by the defense (and yes, that is all there was for the defense) and an offense that took the foot off their opponent's throats protecting a 17 point lead.

 

[Ice Cold Bruschi]

meh I don't think it was that bad a performance, and you have to remember we were playing the Jest they have, despite their record, a pretty good D. And you can never use games vs divisional opponents as a benchmark for how good the team is. Look at the 20-10 win over the jets in 07 or when they beat us at home in 06 or losing to the dolphins in 04, 06, and 08. Lets face it you can never expect a typical performance against either miami or NY even when we're at our best.

 

[PatsSox363804]

In terms of points lost by, it's the Jets worst loss of the year.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

I see your point, but when will you be satisfied? I feel like that 07 team has completely changed fans expectations. Fans expect perfection and domination every week now. We won by 17 points, forced 5 turnovers and Welker had 15 catches. That sounds like a pretty decent game to me, and we shouldnt really be concerned. If we only won by 7, and the Jets had a chance at the end, maybe there would be a little concern, but we won by 17 points.

Ill 2004 over 2007 any day. The 2004 team would crush the 07 team. 07's defense was soft. They only looked good on the stat sheet becuase they were playing with 40 point leads the entire season. In the tough games, Ravens Giants, and Giants, the offense is what saved them, and in the Super Bowl, they couldn't.

In 04, we rarely had a 3 and out. the Defense played lights out physically all 4 quarters.


I'll be happy when I see a second half that doesn't look like the whole frigging offense is confused as to what to do. When I don't see 2 back to back QB sneaks on a first and goal. When I don't see 2 piss poor chalenges, and not see them wasted.

AGAIN,
WE wont, yippie!, if we played like we did, and managed the game liek we did, against a stronger team, you might have a different outlook right now. There are things to get better at, and I was frustrated becuase those things are the EXACT same things from the game before. That is not normal.

That is not BB, and not the Patriots.

 

[The Dynasty]

Ill 2004 over 2007 any day. The 2004 team would crush the 07 team. 07's defense was soft. They only looked good on the stat sheet becuase they were playing with 40 point leads the entire season. In the tough games, Ravens Giants, and Giants, the offense is what saved them, and in the Super Bowl, they couldn't.

In 04, we rarely had a 3 and out. the Defense played lights out physically all 4 quarters.


I'll be happy when I see a second half that doesn't look like the whole frigging offense is confused as to what to do. When I don't see 2 back to back QB sneaks on a first and goal. When I don't see 2 piss poor chalenges, and not see them wasted.

AGAIN,
WE wont, yippie!, if we played like we did, and managed the game liek we did, against a stronger team, you might have a different outlook right now. There are things to get better at, and I was frustrated becuase those things are the EXACT same things from the game before. That is not normal.

That is not BB, and not the Patriots.

I would rather have the 04 team than the 07 team, just for the simple fact that we won the SB, but I dont think that the 04 team would beat the 07 team. That offense was simply unstoppable.

You are going to be frustrated because look at our team, we dont have the players that we had in 04 and 07. Our defense is a new generation of players and is getting stronger on a game by game basis. Our offense has changed too, we now longer have that bruising back such as Dillon or Smith although Maroney hasnt been bad the past few weeks, he just isnt that kind of back. Our WR's arent as strong as the 04 and 07 WR's. We simply dont have the depth as we did. You need to realize that the 09 Patriots are not like the teams that we are used to watching, we simply dont have the talent and experience as we did before, which means we will make mistakes. This doesnt mean that we dont have a chance to advance in the playoffs because I think we can compete with anyone in the league, just not dominate them like we did in 04 and 07.

 

[BradyFTW!]

they were not bad imo...... but they happened early and unsuccessfully

I didn't like the first challenge, since there was nothing conclusive either way. It was a BS call in the first place, sure, but there was nothing in the replay that would warrant overturning it (or confirming it, for that matter). The second one was worse. I can understand the principle behind why he did it, but on the replay it was clear that Lowery had a foot out of bounds and a knee on the ground well before the ball came out.

 

[BradyFTW!]

but you do not even see a 1 yr mega deal on the horizon for Bodden??

(Even if he plays superbly down the stretch)

No CAP means we can go nutty for 1 year..... I expect him back w/ a high salary for 1 year if he continues to play well.

Why would Bodden agree to a one year deal? He's playing on a one-year deal this year to reestablish his value as an excellent CB. Now that he's done that, he's almost certainly going to go and cash out with a bunch of guaranteed money on a long-term contract, rather than risk Leon Washington-ing himself. If he just signs another one-year deal, he risks undoing everything that he accomplished in 2009, contract-wise. All it would take is one injury or a subpar year.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I would rather have the 04 team than the 07 team, just for the simple fact that we won the SB, but I dont think that the 04 team would beat the 07 team. That offense was simply unstoppable.

You are going to be frustrated because look at our team, we dont have the players that we had in 04 and 07. Our defense is a new generation of players and is getting stronger on a game by game basis. Our offense has changed too, we now longer have that bruising back such as Dillon or Smith although Maroney hasnt been bad the past few weeks, he just isnt that kind of back. Our WR's arent as strong as the 04 and 07 WR's. We simply dont have the depth as we did. You need to realize that the 09 Patriots are not like the teams that we are used to watching, we simply dont have the talent and experience as we did before, which means we will make mistakes. This doesnt mean that we dont have a chance to advance in the playoffs because I think we can compete with anyone in the league, just not dominate them like we did in 04 and 07.

The 07 team was considerably better than the 04 team. They would have beat the Eagles by 35 points. However, would 03/04 Rodney give up to big plays a la 07?

Besides, the arguement makes zero sense. 04 and 07 didn't have Brady coming off major knee surgery and not playing football for 80 weeks.

Are there any people here going to try to make the point that "week 11" Pats would not blow out "week 2" Jets/ "week 5" Broncos?

Let me summarize.

The intelligent posters knew:

It was going to take some time for TB to get in the swing.

The defense was young, fast, and going to take some time to gel.

Injuries are the wildcard. What team stands to gain the most for from players returning?

Of the contenders, what team has the greatest chance for upside?

 

[mb6592]

They showed a statistic today. Before THIS season, the Patriots had one loss under Belichick after leading through the half. This season alone they have 3.

That's a fact supported by what many of us are seeing & concerned about (however, bringing it up makes you a malcontent to many on this forum).

 

[mb6592]

Okay, some of the responses bashing on people criticizing the team in the second half are a bit overblown. Dont make it out that a group of us are freaking out, not happy about the win, and think the sky is falling. Most of us have stated already that we are happy with a win, but that being said, we are also a bit concerned about some issues. To all of you guys claiming that people are unhappy, no ones excited blah blah blah, dont blow what we are saying out of proportion.

If you've got nothing to say to contribute to this post with the complaints being aired as the OP meant it, then please do us all a favor, and leave this post alone.

Exactly, I've read through these posts and I haven't seen the "sky is falling" posts they are referring to. But it seems every thread which expresses concern is met with derision.

 

[mb6592]

Look at what we are working with. Neal and Light were out today as well as Morris and Taylor. That will greatly improve our running game as well as protecting Brady. I think getting these 4 players back will definitely help our inability to have long sustained drives in the 2nd half.

Very good point.

 

[mb6592]

I was with you and considered that a five star post up until that part. It's a fact that our offense has been experiencing it's woes in the second half. It's a fact that our team had one loss coming into the season when leading at half under Bill Belichick this decade. It's also a fact that we've lost three now this season when leading at halftime. That's three more in one year than we had lost since 2001 and it's mostly because the offense has stalled. Yesterday, you can chalk it up to terrible blocking and the fact that Brady was dropping back and was, literally, getting hit on his third step. Like I've said, I have full faith that it will get fixed when Light and Neal return. However, you cannot just sweep these offensive issues under the rug. Is it true that very few teams play a full 60 minutes of perfect football? Sure. But, under Bill Belichick, the Patriots very more often than not have in this decade, and it's been the signature of our championship winning seasons. If this continues, it's a fact that we won't be winning one this season. Do I think it will continue? Nope. I'm not going to be that negative. But it has certainly been more of a cause for conern than you just made it out to be.

seems like a sane post to me, I must be missing something....

 

[mb6592]

I think we're just concerened because 3 times this season letting up in the second half has came back to kill us, not to mention blowing games late in the playoffs recently. When the Jets made it 24-14 I had an "oh ****" feeling, not because I expect perfection from them, but because we've blown 3 games in the second half this year which is something we never do. This needs to be corrected. I'll take a 17 point win over the Jets any day of the week but we need to fix the issue of letting up in the second half.

again, seems like a perfectly sane post to me

 

[mb6592]

That's just it. It's a CAUSE FOR CONCERN. Those inferring that this team stinks because of it need to step back.

Where are those post? I've read through this thread, and the vast majority of the posts express legitimate concerns.

 

[mb6592]

didn't take the "Sky Is Falling!!!" crowd long to rip a 17 point Patriots win over hated rival Jets....

Did you even read through this thread?

 

[mb6592]

Yeah, the rest of the country are talking about this game as a total domination by the Pats with a short window where the Jets had a slight chance of getting back in. Here, people are focusing on one bad drive by the defense (and yes, that is all there was for the defense) and an offense that took the foot off their opponent's throats protecting a 17 point lead.

Your point is well taken - if you look at this game in a vacuum. The loser, unknowledgeable, "sky is falling" lunatics are looking at a disturbing pattern that I'm sure Belichick (another clueless lout) is well aware of.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Exactly, I've read through these posts and I haven't seen the "sky is falling" posts they are referring to. But it seems every thread which expresses concern is met with derision.

Ofcourse you are going to get laughed at.

Again, the 09 Pats have a defense filled with 1/2/3 year players and an all world QB coming back from major knee surgery and not playing football in 80 weeks.

Why on earth anybody would think there was not going to be any bumps in the road is beyond me.

It's not sky, look maybe to some IQ's.....

 

[mb6592]

Ofcourse you are going to get laughed at.

Again, the 09 Pats have a defense filled with 1/2/3 year players and an all world QB coming back from major knee surgery and not playing football in 80 weeks.

Why on earth anybody would think there was not going to be any bumps in the road is beyond me.

It's not sky, look maybe to some IQ's.....

What does this have to do with anything? Of course there are mitigating reasons for any team's shortcomings (hey the Lions have sucky players so what do you expect) does that mean they can't be pointed out and discussed?