2 bad challenges, and the most unimaganitve 2nd half...

[muzz]

I just dont understand some people. We won by 17 points today, basically dominated the Jets and we still have people complaining. When you up by double digits its hard to be "imaginiative" on Offensive, thats when you just pound the run and burn clock, nothing creative about that

Although we won this game, there were ALARMING similarities to the losses we have had this year, the difference being Sanchize the Loser throwing AWFUL (not even close) passes to our defense.
We got lucky last week as well with Manning and his weird 2 ducks.

We have every right to be worried, because we saw some of the same this week, but the difference was we were playing against a JV High School Team.

If you don't agree, or don't see this than that's fine, NP... we'll just sit over here as the black sheep of the Pats Family and discuss amongst ourselves and get bashed as the unsupportive/ Patssbashers....whatever ridiculous things that blind Homers come up with.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I've corrected your post here. Corrections are in bold. You see, when you are the New England Patriots, and your running game isn't a dominant part of your team, you cant "pound the run and burn the clock."

When the Pats attempt this, they burn hardly any time off the clock with runs up the gut, that tend to have 3 defenders in the backfield before the play is even started. That leads to 3 and out. then we punt the ball. Our D gets vanilla, and we watch teams drive right down the field on us.

Are people complaining? Hell ya man. Unfortunately, those complaints are valid.

I just dont understand some people. We won by 17 points today, basically dominated the Jets and we still have people complaining. When you up by double digits its hard to be "imaginiative" on Offensive, thats when if you are the Panthers, Titans, or Dolphins you just pound the run and burn clock, nothing creative about that

 

[Fencer]

Even with 5 turnovers, our Offense only scored 23 points.

Nitpick: A TO returned for a score shouldn't be on the list. Indeed, it's a hindrance to the offense scoring, not a help.

But you're right that 24 offensive points, while nice, isn't terrific given all that field position. And the one missed FG was not a chip shot.

 

[Pujo]

It was a good game and everyone should be happy about it, but the Pats have some issues they need to overcome. The two delay of game penalties and the weak second half were there, whether someone posts about them or not, and I'd add some of the penalties to the mix, too. I'm sure it's not being overlooked by the coaches, but those will be the things to look for in the home stretch.

 

[The Dynasty]

Although we won this game, there were ALARMING similarities to the losses we have had this year, the difference being Sanchize the Loser throwing AWFUL (not even close) passes to our defense.
We got lucky last week as well with Manning and his weird 2 ducks.

We have every right to be worried, because we saw some of the same this week, but the difference was we were playing against a JV High School Team.

If you don't agree, or don't see this than that's fine, NP... we'll just sit over here as the black sheep of the Pats Family and discuss amongst ourselves and get bashed as the unsupportive/ Patssbashers....whatever ridiculous things that blind Homers come up with.

We won the game by 17 points and are 7-3, people are acting like we lost and are like in 3rd place in our division.

We play the teams that are on our schedule, we cant help how good/bad they are. Is it our fault that Sanchez didnt have a good game today? I think that the Pats D had a lot to do with that. Why are you bringing last weeks game up with Manning and his INT's?

The Jets arent a "jv high school team". That team dominated us in Week 2. Were they a JV team then? No, people were legitimately worried about them. They are 4-6, and a lot better than some other teams in the league.

I agree that the win wasnt perfect, but people cannot expect perfection every week and that is what bothers me when we win by 17 and have people that have nothing but negative things to say.

 

[Kontradiction]

We won the game by 17 points and are 7-3, people are acting like we lost and are like in 3rd place in our division.

Some people are. Others, like myself, realize that we are not going to get the game giftwrapped to us by Brees and the Saints this Monday night. We played a great first half. However, the second half was, with the exception of Brady, Welker, and Maroney, a terrible sight on offense. Like I said, the delay of game penalties occurred, despite the Pats being at home. The blocking was terrible and easily ended a couple of would-be drives by the Pats, and the play calling was extremely predictable once again. The second half issues on defense seemed to have been cleared up, aside from one drive. The second half issues on offense? Not so much. The good thing is that I believe these issues could easily be corrected with our O-Line starters returning. And we did win so I have celebrated over it tonight.

 

[The Dynasty]

I've corrected your post here. Corrections are in bold. You see, when you are the New England Patriots, and your running game isn't a dominant part of your team, you cant "pound the run and burn the clock."

When the Pats attempt this, they burn hardly any time off the clock with runs up the gut, that tend to have 3 defenders in the backfield before the play is even started. That leads to 3 and out. then we punt the ball. Our D gets vanilla, and we watch teams drive right down the field on us.

Are people complaining? Hell ya man. Unfortunately, those complaints are valid.

We dont have the RB's that those teams have, so obviously the running game isnt going to be a dominant part of our team.

When you built a double digit lead you need to run time off the clock and to do this yes you have to run the ball, but there are other ways to do this such as short slants to WRs such as Welker or even a WR screen. With that said I think the Patriots are improving their running game. I thought Maroney ran really well today. He has been running hard and with a purpose the past few weeks.

 

[stcjones]

whoever from upstairs is telling belichick to challenge these plays needs to do a better job.

Just thinking about this again as I read your post.....we had a legit challenge on a fumble by welk that was recovered by faulk for a first down.....which could have been a critical play at the time.....and BB had burned all his challenges.....and we were forced to punt.....luckily.....sancheese gave it back with int after int.........BB and company need to do a better job with timeouts (retaining) and challenges......BB used to be the master of both

 

[stcjones]

How bout Brady's attempted qb sneak at the goal line. Stuff like that just drives you nuts. They were 1st and goal from the half yard line and couldn't punch it in until 3rd down.

you know....that was a long "yard" if that makes sense.....and I was surprised they didn't call the RB number sooner than that.......

 

[HarkDawg]

Just thinking about this again as I read your post.....we had a legit challenge on a fumble by welk that was recovered by faulk for a first down.....which could have been a critical play at the time.....and BB had burned all his challenges.....and we were forced to punt.....luckily.....sancheese gave it back with int after int.........BB and company need to do a better job with timeouts (retaining) and challenges......BB used to be the master of both

I agree..... but it is what it is my man..... just appreciate the FACT that we still have a LEGIT COACH who knows WTF he is doing

 

[BionicPatriot]

I think outside of the Titans beat down you can say NE played worse in the 2nd half than the first. It's getting old watching it. It seems like going into every half the other teams break down what this D and O is doing and we do nothing about it.

This is not only the 2nd week in a row we allowed an opening 2nd half scoring drive, I wonder how many times they have this season. It seems like this just goes to bed in the 3rd quarter and barely re-awakes itself in the 4th. They either barely hang on or blow it.

Yes I'm happy with this win, yes it's a big win in the big picture. But the same problems are here, not going away. Why does this teams blocking go to **** EVERY 4th quarter? Can someone explain please? Be it last week, or any week, the blocking is noticeably worse in the 2nd half than the first.

Never in my life have I felt so "meh" after a win. **** like that has costed this team games this season and will continue to do so if it does not change. They showed a statistic today. Before THIS season, the Patriots had one loss under Belichick after leading through the half. This season alone they have 3. I don't know who or what it is, but the coaching has fallen off on this team.

I thought they looked like the same ol' 09 Patriots. Super bowl team in the first half, ******ed, slow, weak team in the 2nd half. When will it end?

 

[PWRxWLF]

We dont have the RB's that those teams have, so obviously the running game isnt going to be a dominant part of our team.

When you built a double digit lead you need to run time off the clock and to do this yes you have to run the ball, but there are other ways to do this such as short slants to WRs such as Welker or even a WR screen. With that said I think the Patriots are improving their running game. I thought Maroney ran really well today. He has been running hard and with a purpose the past few weeks.

I'm sorry man, but Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. When we build a lead like that, there is no reason why we have to come out in the 2nd half with the gameplan being running out the clock and hanging onto a win. You go out there, grab the team by the throat, and kick em while they are down. And no, Im not talking about bringing in Haynesworth.

Look, you've already picked off Sanchez multiple times, what better way to get that team more unbalanced? You go for the throat, you gain a larger lead, and you have the opposition gunning it with everything they've got through the air. We have the personnel to do this. However, we do not have the personnel to run out the clock by pounding the ball. Slants? Maybe. Sure we can do that, but that requires routes being ran that aren't short of the first down. That seems to be all we do lately.

 

[Frezo]

I agree..... but it is what it is my man..... just appreciate the FACT that we still have a LEGIT COACH who knows WTF he is doing

How would you like to be a Bengals fan tonight. They moved out of HFA2 by losing to the Raiders. That's something to complain about!

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm sorry man, but Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. When we build a lead like that, there is no reason why we have to come out in the 2nd half with the gameplan being running out the clock and hanging onto a win. You go out there, grab the team by the throat, and kick em while they are down. And no, Im not talking about bringing in Haynesworth.

Look, you've already picked off Sanchez multiple times, what better way to get that team more unbalanced? You go for the throat, you gain a larger lead, and you have the opposition gunning it with everything they've got through the air. We have the personnel to do this. However, we do not have the personnel to run out the clock by pounding the ball. Slants? Maybe. Sure we can do that, but that requires routes being ran that aren't short of the first down. That seems to be all we do lately.

Believe me, they tried to do that. However, most everytime Brady dropped back, he was getting hit within a second of his third step. The blocking was really piss poor. That's why I think this offense's woes will be solved when Neal and Light are back.

 

[Rob0729]

Jeez, on a day where the Steelers lost to the Chiefs and the Bengals lost to the Raiders, people are getting upset about a 17 point win over the Jets.

The Jets are 4-6, but they have lost most of their games in the final minutes and played their competition tight all the way down to the wire. Today's game was the Jets biggest margin of defeat all season. No team has come close to beating them by 17 points other than the Saints who beat them by 14.

Yes, there are areas to be concerned about, but this team dominated a division competitor for most of the game after a very emotional loss and a shorten week (at least a bit).

The Pats have concerns that need to be addressed, but name me one team that doesn't in this league. For a while now, the Colts are getting beat by their competition, but have been able to stay in the game and pull it off in the end. The Saints are getting more and more beat up in injury and are running out of secondary players. The NFC East is the Jeckyl and Hyde division. Denver is falling fast. Cincy beat the Steelers and then lose to the Raiders. The Steelers are not a good team without Polumalu. San Deigo is doing well right now, but have struggled too. Minnesota is pinning all their hopes on a 40 year old QB who has gotten banged up or slowed down late in the season in recent years and typically crumbles in the playoffs.

Please someone tell me what team is playing dominant football and has no weakness that could seriously come back and bit them down the road this season. Even with last week's loss, the Pats are playing as good of football as virtually anyone in the league.

 

[condon84]

We won the game by 17 points and are 7-3, people are acting like we lost and are like in 3rd place in our division.

We play the teams that are on our schedule, we cant help how good/bad they are. Is it our fault that Sanchez didnt have a good game today? I think that the Pats D had a lot to do with that. Why are you bringing last weeks game up with Manning and his INT's?

The Jets arent a "jv high school team". That team dominated us in Week 2. Were they a JV team then? No, people were legitimately worried about them. They are 4-6, and a lot better than some other teams in the league.

I agree that the win wasnt perfect, but people cannot expect perfection every week and that is what bothers me when we win by 17 and have people that have nothing but negative things to say.

You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend the issues that the Pats have showed this year didn't show up once again.

Everyone's gripe regarding our offense in the second half has very good merits.

The Jets are a bad team. You say we got dominated in week 2 by them? That game was played by two teams that do not resemble the teams that you saw today. The Jets have been playing terrible and we are playing way better in comparison to week 2.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

Although we won this game, there were ALARMING similarities to the losses we have had this year, the difference being Sanchize the Loser throwing AWFUL (not even close) passes to our defense.
We got lucky last week as well with Manning and his weird 2 ducks.

We have every right to be worried, because we saw some of the same this week, but the difference was we were playing against a JV High School Team.

If you don't agree, or don't see this than that's fine, NP... we'll just sit over here as the black sheep of the Pats Family and discuss amongst ourselves and get bashed as the unsupportive/ Patssbashers....whatever ridiculous things that blind Homers come up with.

+1000 for this response. I posted what I posted, becuase if that was the Steelers, or San Diego, or another Playoff Caliber team, the story probably wouldn't be the same.

I don't relish in beating a beatable team, your supposed to beat them.

 

[Kontradiction]

Jeez, on a day where the Steelers lost to the Chiefs and the Bengals lost to the Raiders, people are getting upset about a 17 point win over the Jets.

The Jets are 4-6, but they have lost most of their games in the final minutes and played their competition tight all the way down to the wire. Today's game was the Jets biggest margin of defeat all season. No team has come close to beating them by 17 points other than the Saints who beat them by 14.

Yes, there are areas to be concerned about, but this team dominated a division competitor for most of the game after a very emotional loss and a shorten week (at least a bit).

The Pats have concerns that need to be addressed, but name me one team that doesn't in this league. For a while now, the Colts are getting beat by their competition, but have been able to stay in the game and pull it off in the end. The Saints are getting more and more beat up in injury and are running out of secondary players. The NFC East is the Jeckyl and Hyde division. Denver is falling fast. Cincy beat the Steelers and then lose to the Raiders. The Steelers are not a good team without Polumalu. San Deigo is doing well right now, but have struggled too. Minnesota is pinning all their hopes on a 40 year old QB who has gotten banged up or slowed down late in the season in recent years and typically crumbles in the playoffs.

Please someone tell me what team is playing dominant football and has no weakness that could seriously come back and bit them down the road this season. Even with last week's loss, the Pats are playing as good of football as virtually anyone in the league.

Rob, these concerns really need to be addressed and are going to come into the forefront if they happen again next week. Was it a win? Damn right. And I'm extremely happy for that. As a matter of fact, we should have won 31-7. However, there are issues with our team in the second half. There have been all season. Today it was the offense. If these issues keep continuing, we are not going to last long in the postseason. Believe me when I say that Drew Brees is not going to bail our stagnant second half offense out next Monday like Mark Sanchez did today.

However, like I said, I'm going to relay most of these issues to the offensive line being banged up since many of our drives ending were purely the result of turnstile blocking against the Jets defense. I think that once our offense gets healthy, our offense will be able to sustain more drives in the second half of games. However, you still have to account for the terrible play calling (like the two QB sneaks in a row a yard out from the end zone) and the boneheaded penalties (like the two delay of games in our own stadium).

For what it's worth, though, I have full faith in these issues being fixed.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

We won the game by 17 points and are 7-3, people are acting like we lost and are like in 3rd place in our division.

I think bigger than simply the AFC East, and tonight's second half performance will only win us a division crown this year...

 

[Rob0729]

+1000 for this response. I posted what I posted, becuase if that was the Steelers, or San Diego, or another Playoff Caliber team, the story probably wouldn't be the same.

I don't relish in beating a beatable team, your supposed to beat them.

Umm.... The Steelers lost to the Chiefs today in overtime. Steelers fans are saying "If we lose to a really bad team like the Chiefs in overtime, how bad would a team like the Patriots beat us in the playoffs."