The rest of the country confirms its stupidity

[Kontradiction]

Absolutely. There's no question that if you want to win a game, you choose Tom Brady over any other active quarterback. Most people don't vote based upon reasoned, rational thought, though. Hell, one look at our elections proves that convincingly.

Heh. I was going to make that point, but decided to back off of it. You made the blow a lot softer than I would have though.

And I do agree that this is more of a popularity contest. Both are very good quarterbacks but Brady is better. The first year that Brady had weapons anywhere near the level of Manning's, he set basically every single season passing record. On top of that, he's won three Super Bowls and took a team to the AFC Championship, almost winning it, against these very same Colts with his main weapons being Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Until Manning accomplishes those feats, I would have to put Brady first.

 

[BradyManny]

I can't argue about Dungy vs Belichick, but I'd like to think if people were choosing which QB they would want for their team, they'd go by their perception of skills. Maybe I give people too much credit.

I think you are, in this case. Just look how brutally slanted the #s are in the South for instance. Just a few weeks back, some article ran down there about how he's going to Hell. And it wasn't tongue in cheek.

There's too many factors and biases at play to consider this a scientific poll - not that I'm any better. In spite of my respect for him, I strongly dislike Peyton Manning, and I'd probably rather take Drew Bledsoe right now as my QB if you asked me...

 

[tuckeverlasting]

this is an espn poll and espn new york lovers are never going to give brady or belichick or the pats the credit they deserve. it's just a reflection of the pablum espn feeds the moronic masses. if brady were a jet or giant, this poll wouldn't even be close.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Connecticut sports fans can be some of the biggest sports traitors/front-runners in the world...they get to swap between Boston & NY teams as they see fit.

I actually think there are fairweather fans everywhere, and maybe for the non-serious sports fan in Connecticut, this is true. But for many of us who grew up in Connecticut, we are some of the most passionate and hardcore supporters of our team imaginable.

My grammar school was the battle line between Yankees and Red Sox and Patriots and Giants. My second grade class had 28 kids. 14 were declared Red Sox fans and 14 were Yankees fans. During the 1978 playoff, the school basically came to a standstill it was so tense. You had to choose your gang, and choose early, and an awful lot turned on what choice you made. Where you sat at lunch. Who your friends were. Every single morning on the school bus during May and September was all about the results the night before. I'm guessing that those who grew up in northern new england where everyone wanted to be Steve Grogan at recess or where the Red Sox were everything had a much different experience.

 

[StraightCashHomey81]

I really hate the Manning-Brady debate, because they are both so good and there's a logical counterpoint to nearly every argument for either guy, and then it always turns into a disparaging of the Colts D/coaching staff, or the Pats skill position guys prior to 2007, to prove who did more with less. The best argument I can think of is this:

The 2004 AFC Championship game, Pats at Steelers. Brady went into that game with an 101 degree fever, outdoors in one of the toughest stadiums in the league to play and the temperature close to zero. He went 14-21 for 207 yards with 2 TDs and led his team to 34 points against the #1 defense in the league-on a team that had gone 15-1-to a 41-27 win. Now, can any Manning supporter, in their heart of hearts, see Peyton doing that if they he and Brady switched places? i doubt it.

 

[patsinthesnow]

All I Know is this:

If Brady wins his 4th superbowl this year, you won't be able to argue any longer.

If Manning wins his 2nd this year, Manning will win most arguments.


It will be settled this year.

 

[SVN]

Right, because Brady's 16TDs & 5 INTs is so different from Peyton Mannings 16TDs & 5 INTs...??

Their stats are virtually identical in every category except completion percentage, and I bet no more than 1/100 of the people filling in that poll could tell you their respective completion percentages.

Come on, people. They could've held this poll in December of 2007 and the results would be the same.

anyone else bothered by every anaylyst kissing up to manning because he is doing this with all these 'new guys' ?
what new guys they keep mentioning ? 3rd and 4th WRs ? he still has clark,wayne,addai,saturday ,tom moore etc as constants.
Oh and look at brady's team from 2001 onwards ,from patten/brown to givens/branch to caldwell/gaffeny to moss/welker.
i guess no one said that he was doing with no names then.

 

[mystrymaster]

No, but Manning's 8 wins are more impressive-sounding than Brady's 6 wins and two losses. Granted you can't pin that on Brady, but the non-NE fan hasn't actually watched the games, they just know the outcomes.

Why can't you pin them on Brady?? apparently this isn't a team game afterall

 

[Wax Frog]

[applauds NH for tying for first in voting percentage]

 

[Wax Frog]

The rest of the country is blinded by their jealousy and hatred for the Pats.

Corroborated by the fact that two of the states showing more balanced percentages are Michigan and Cali, both with TB connections...

 

[reflexblue]

Yeah stupid choosing quarterback 1a or 1b in the league right now.

Look Mystrymaster if any of us went to the Indy board and said the slightest thing negative about Manning or the colts we would be banned on the spot. So how about adding insight instead of the insults.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

Works for me. I'm generally your most unabashed New England elitist (no offense to our Patriot fans not from this section of the country, if you root for the Pats, then you're OK ), so I'd probably be concerned if it were any other way.

i don't think the rest of the country realizes who Manning has beaten so far. It's the same old, same old with these colts. Beat up bad teams, go 12-4 and make the playoffs where the proceed to wilt.

3>1

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

In my opinion the Colts and Steeler fans who post here often are decent visitors.

 

[Synovia]

i don't think the rest of the country realizes who Manning has beaten so far. It's the same old, same old with these colts. Beat up bad teams, go 12-4 and make the playoffs where the proceed to wilt.

3>1

You mean, like the Patriots did in 2005, 2006, and 2007?

 

[reflexblue]

In '06 or '07 i was lurking on the main Indy fan site Indystar? (can't remember now) Anyways someone in their first post said in his opinion Brady was better than Manning because Manning had much better recievers. That was his first and last post, he was banned. IMO Fans from other teams are given a lot of slack here. From what i've seen thats not the case on other sites.

 

[Raymond]

You mean, like the Patriots did in 2005, 2006, and 2007?

I'll take 5-3 over another "one and done" at home in the divisional round to a lower seed.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

i noticed the question only asks which qb you would want "for one game." doesn't say "regular season" or "post season with everything on the line." then i noticed it was an HSPN poll.

if i know one thing about polling, i know that how a question is asked has a lot to do with how it's answered. in this case, i think the results might not have been so one sided if the question had been phrased in such a way as to remind people of Brady's post season dominance.

mmmm....I can just imagine the meeting where this was decided............

HSPN Suit 1: let's do a poll to find out which QB fans would want to have in a big, post season game with a championship on the line.

HSPN Suit 2: but if we ask it that way, Brady might win and he's, um, like, you know, on the Patriots and...

HSPN Suit 1: damn! my bad! let's just leave it any meaningless game. Peyton's bound to win.

HSPN Suit 2: I think you have a very bright future here....

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It shows how continuously fickle the country is. So far this season, the Colts are 8-0 and every pundit is talking Manning MVP. The only widely discussed Patriots issues have been Brady's struggles (early on), the Jets loss, and Brady getting all the calls. The minute Manning gets eliminated from the postseason Brady would then rule this poll with about 75% of the vote. It's a "what have you done for me lately" world. During the '07 season, Brady dominated Manning in that poll, and that was after Peyton had finally won his "clinching the greatest of all-time moniker" championship.

If people had any perspective this poll would be 55-45 every year, but they don't.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Manning is having the better year so he is going to get the votes. In 2007, Brady would have won this poll 90-10. If Brady takes off in the second half of the season and Manning stumbles, I am sure the poll will shift back in Brady's favor.

All you have to do is watch the media and watch how they shift back and forth on who is better and you will see the wishy-washy nature of this debate.

Yeah, well said. :agree:

 

[SHOWTIME15]

it's definitely a fickle country. doesn't mean anything. it's whatever the flavor of the week is. last year, the country favored democrats. this year it's republicans.