PFT: If Seymour doesn't report, Raiders will want their pick back

[Blizzzard]

Proof positive that the seymour trade is a done deal.....Seymour jerseys on clearance in the patriots online proshop:

Official Patriots ProShop - Richard Seymour Equipment Replica Jersey

Theres no coming back from that...lol

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Didn't Al Davis THINK about the potential for this to happen with any trade involving NE? After all, it seems obvious that any player coming over from the Pats would have had significant negative exposure to all of the ex-Raiders that have played for NE the last few years. For that matter, I have a hard time believing the potential for this kind of thing didn't occur to BB as well.

 

[Synovia]

3) Seymour could fail to show and Oakland can void the trade indicating to the league that Seymour did not pass a physical in a timely manner as defined by CBA rules.

Again, NO, this is not an option. There is no time frame set in which a player has to pass the physical. The only time frame set is by a 5 day letter, and Oakland's only recourse should he not show after 5 days is to suspend him on the reserve list.

He is Oakland's property unless the league's doctors say hes not fit to play. PERIOD.

B) If not, does Oakland choose to void the contract?

Again, I don't know why you don't understand this. Oakland CAN NOT VOID THE CONTRACT.

 

[Synovia]

Didn't Al Davis THINK about the potential for this to happen with any trade involving NE? After all, it seems obvious that any player coming over from the Pats would have had significant negative exposure to all of the ex-Raiders that have played for NE the last few years.

You're making a huge unsupported assumption: that Al Davis thinks playing in oakland is a bad experience.


and, a slightly smaller one, in that Al Davis thinks at all.

 

[mayoclinic]

No, they do not have that right.

The only situation that the trade can be voided is if he shows up, and fails.

I agree with that. If Seymour refuses to show up, Oakland can give him a 5 day letter. Under the CBA, as far as I understand it (and I don't claim to be a labor law expert), the trade can't be voided unless Seymour shows up and actually fails his physical.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

You're making a huge unsupported assumption: that Al Davis thinks playing in oakland is a bad experience.


and, a slightly smaller one, in that Al Davis thinks at all.

Surely even Al knows that the waters would have been poisoned by all of those ex-Raiders talking bad about the organization when they came over to NE. No?

 

[Synovia]

Surely even Al knows that the waters would have been poisoned by all of those ex-Raiders talking bad about the organization when they came over to NE. No?

I think that Al still thinks the Raiders are the best organization in the NFL, and there'd be no reason for them to poison the waters. They all wish they could come back.

The man is completely senile.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Actually that's not true. There is no 5 day window to report. People keep confusing that with the 5 day letter. Players are expected to report expeditiously. When they don't you can assume they are witholding services for one reason or another... If he doesn't show by Sunday he won't get a paycheck this week. Ditto the next, etc. If they send him the 5 day letter as leverage, then he has 5 days to report or the team has the right to put him on the non reporting list. Nothing is automatic.

Thanks, I didn't know that. But then again, I got my information from a message board.

 

[mgteich]

No one is suggesting that Seymour will ever play for the patriots again.

Proof positive that the seymour trade is a done deal.....Seymour jerseys on clearance in the patriots online proshop:

Official Patriots ProShop - Richard Seymour Equipment Replica Jersey

Theres no coming back from that...lol

 

[mgteich]

The only real disagreement is whether failing to show up for a physical can be construed as failing a physical under the CBA. Maybe someone knows the legal precedents under previous interpretations of the CBA. I do not.

 

[fourthandmiles]

The PFT title is right and there is no real argument. Raiders or most likely Davis will want their first rounder back.

Just like the weenie roast I went to and my weenie fell in the fire. Sure I wanted it back, I wanted to eat that weenie but it was just not gonna happen.

This thread dies now.

 

[Synovia]

The only real disagreement is whether failing to show up for a physical can be construed as failing a physical under the CBA. Maybe someone knows the legal precedents under previous interpretations of the CBA. I do not.

There is no argument about that, except from you.

There are numerous examples of this exact same situation playing out, and they all have the exact same results. Nobody ever gets the pick back.

 

[italia44]

molewisrocks nailed it about the 5 day letter.I think it's actually good news that there has been no report of a letter being sent.

This is all about the benji's,now.....as long as the nuclear option letter isn't sent by Oakland,it would seem that negotiations would follow after big sey either finishes his crying jag,or fires his agent.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Actually, quite the opposite.

He quit on the Raiders who paid him OODLES of money.

He landed in NE, and (a year AFTER setting the NFL season record for TD catches) signed a new contract here for FAR LESS, however for a better FOOTBALL environment.

Football, OBVIOUSLY, is more important to Randy than money.

That's the exact point that I'm trying to make- Randy clearly cares a ton about football. If that doesn't demonstrate how little we can accurately speculate about what motivates specific players and who loves the game versus who doesn't, I don't know what will. Yet, by PATSFANINPA's definition, he doesn't love football.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The PFT title is right and there is no real argument. Raiders or most likely Davis will want their first rounder back.



This thread dies now.

Not quite, I think the situation changes if not resolved by the time the Pats take the field Monday night. If the trade has not been voided by then and the Patriots play Buffalo, I think that they could argue that changed situation should prevent the league from voiding the trade later. The Patriots would have been penalized by having to play the game without Seymour while the Raiders would not have been penalized at all since they haven't lost their draft pick yet.
I'm not saying that Seymour would ever play for the Pats again, but he could have, if the trade is voided. If they void it after the fact, say after the Pats play a few games, they have been without his services, while acting in good faith.......
In that case, it's in the Patriots interest to let Oakland try to resolve it, or at least wait until after Monday night to see how the chips fall.

 

[shmessy]

Not quite, I think the situation changes if not resolved by the time the Pats take the field Monday night. If the trade has not been voided by then and the Patriots play Buffalo, I think that they could argue that changed situation should prevent the league from voiding the trade later. The Patriots would have been penalized by having to play the game without Seymour while the Raiders would not have been penalized at all since they haven't lost their draft pick yet.
I'm not saying that Seymour would ever play for the Pats again, but he could have, if the trade is voided. If they void it after the fact, say after the Pats play a few games, they have been without his services, while acting in good faith.......
In that case, it's in the Patriots interest to let Oakland try to resolve it, or at least wait until after Monday night to see how the chips fall.

That's a good point.

Man, the legal billing hours alone on this should bump us out of recession!

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

That's a good point.

Man, the legal billing hours alone on this should bump us out of recession!

The proper term is changed circumstances, not changed situation but you got my drift..........

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

This better get resolved soon.

Contrary to what some think, Davis and the Raiders can easily void this deal if they grow disenchanted and their medical team gets its hands on Seymour.

Each team has it's own medical guidelines apparently, and all the Raiders neeed to establish is that Seymours physical condition does not meet their needs.

See Lee Suggs:

Running back Lee Suggs failed his physical with the New York Jets on Tuesday, voiding his trade from Cleveland......

"We have a whole series of tests that we do, and we were very thorough with the process," Jets coach Eric Mangini said. "He just didn't pass those tests. ... Each team has a criteria they set up that they believe is what's important and what's needed to be competitive. I'm very comfortable with the tests we have set up.".......

But the Browns disputed the Jets' findings. Browns general manager Phil Savage noted that while Suggs has been injury prone, he hasn't missed any practice time this year and played in the first preseason game.

"Medical opinions can vary from team to team, and obviously this is one team's opinion," Savage said. "We anticipate Lee Suggs returning to the Browns and working hard in practice and preparing for the season to the best of his ability, just as he has shown throughout his career with the Browns."........

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2550302

 

[Synovia]

TContrary to what some think, Davis and the Raiders can easily void this deal if they grow disenchanted and their medical team gets its hands on Seymour.

Each team has it's own medical guidelines apparently, and all the Raiders neeed to establish is that Seymours physical condition does not meet their needs.

Its not that simple. The team can appeal, and then he gets inspected by the league appointed third parties.

Suggs is exactly the opposite situation: HE WAS ACTUALLY HURT, and the team was lying about it. Thats what the void clause is for.

 

[chris66]

Take the physical. sit out till week 10 play the 7 games and become an ufa