Manning is more skilled than Brady? Please explain.

[ausbacker]

I've been quiet for a while regarding your posting feldspar, and as far as I am concerned, you are looking more and more like a troll here to simply rile up the Patsfans that can't see what you're doing.

Once more, I point to the lack of balance in your arguments and the what if's you are hiding behind. "If Manning has an average game, the Colts win." Manning has had more than ample opportunity to win and he rode the defense to a Championship in 2006.

Give up the ghost and take it to the visitors board. Your act has become tiresome I'm afraid.

 

[efin98]

I've been quiet for a while regarding your posting feldspar, and as far as I am concerned, you are looking more and more like a troll here to simply rile up the Patsfans that can't see what you're doing.

Once more, I point to the lack of balance in your arguments and the what if's you are hiding behind. "If Manning has an average game, the Colts win." Manning has had more than ample opportunity to win and he rode the defense to a Championship in 2006.

Give up the ghost and take it to the visitors board. Your act has become tiresome I'm afraid.

If he's resorting to "what ifs" then he's out of arguments to support his cause...he's used up all his cards yesterday.

He could still find more stats and more articles that support why Peyton's better that fits in with what Deus originally posted but until then he's clearly done with any real arguments.

 

[ScottieC]

I don't see why we can't just all admit that Brady is the best QB ever, Manning's first coach was Mary Shelley, and TFB's schlong is most likely twice the size of Manning's.

I was going to read thru and see what I missed, but...ahhh...I'm afraid to read any further.

 

[BradyFTW!]

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"Major deficiencies" are your words, not mine. "Resting on laurels" are my words. When you are a 30 yo QB and the physical aspects of your game are showing signs of stagnation or even decline, that is how I would describe it. Maybe there is another reason and if so I would take back those words. Manning is a great QB with few flaws in his game, but he is not getting better and hasn't been for a couple of years.

I think you're using a pretty misleading definition of "resting on laurels", then, hence the confusion. Does natural aging qualify as "resting on your laurels"? Because in the next couple of years Brady will show up with reduced arm strength and slower mechanics. It's going to happen, and there isn't a damn thing that he'll be able to do about it, because that's how aging works. He can work harder than anyone's ever worked before, and the best he'll be able to hope for is to slow the decline. That's the problem with being the best at what you do: it becomes that much harder to get better and that much easier to get worse.

Anyways, the fact that you identified blitz recognition and decisionmaking under pressure as 'problem areas' for Brady tells me everything I need to know about your ability to evaluate a QB.

 

[glm]

As you know, he's coming off a pretty serious injury and has missed and entire year. That will affect him to some degree, just how much we'll have to wait and see. Of course he'll be good, but don't assume he'll be league MVP good or that he'll improve on his 2007 season.

Didn't Manning have basically the same injury and less time to recover and still get MVP?

What makes Brady any different?

 

[BradyFTW!]

yeah...I get it...you have morphed into the all knowing, all righteous board moral compass...congrats on your new found pomposity.Use the ignore feature and spare me your sanctimonius platitudes.

Fair enough, I probably shouldn't have said anything. Especially since you having a passive-aggressive meltdown is pretty much the average Wednesday at Patsfans.com.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Didn't Manning have basically the same injury and less time to recover and still get MVP?

What makes Brady any different?

Manning had a Bursa Sac removed...Brady Tore his ACL/MCL (im pretty sure).

 

[Sivy]

Tom Brady is better than peyton manning.

 

[Deus Irae]

Tom Brady is better than peyton manning.

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[glm]

Manning had a Bursa Sac removed...Brady Tore his ACL/MCL (im pretty sure).

Gotcha.



10CHARICTERS

 

[MoneyFX]

Well, Brady and Manning are both excellent QBs. You can argue which one is better until the moon goes down.

Manning, however, calls his own plays and does audibles...actually calls the shots a LOT more than Brady. Also, Manning hasn't had the benefit of a decent defense for much or most of his time in Indy. That's why Manning has had to shoulder the burden of his whole team in his time in Indy more than Brady has...a lot more, I'd say.

I figure Brady has had the benefit of a lot of things, including better coaching, something you shouldn't underestimate.

It would take me quite some time to consider which of these two I'd rather have on my team during his prime. But I'd have to go with Manning right now. Sorry, but he's much more accomplished. You can't pin the winning or losing of Super Bowls on one guy, so don't bring that up as an indicator.

Manning has NINE season of over 4,000 yards. His other two seasons were pretty close to 4,000...both under 300 yards to that mark. This is an incredible feat, folks. Meanwhile, Tom has had only TWO seasons of over 4,000 yards.

Brady fumbles the ball A LOT more than Manning...a lot more.

If you care about passer rating, Peyton's is higher than Tom's. His completion percentage is slightly higher.

Manning is less than a year and a half older than Brady, and Manning has...

19,128 more yards
136 more touchdowns

Manning has just done more...a lot more. Manning is probably the best pure passer I've seen. Not to put Brady down; he's damn good as well.

You asked, I told.

Manning has had the talent throughout his career while Brady didn't.

 

[MoneyFX]

YO EVERYBODY, I WAS THE ONE THAT PUT THAT STATEMENT:

Manning: Better skillsets and stats.
Brady: Better instincts and intangibles.

 

[ausbacker]

YO EVERYBODY, I WAS THE ONE THAT PUT THAT STATEMENT:

Manning: Better skillsets and stats.
Brady: Better instincts and intangibles.

14 pages in and trollsville needs to rehash beating the chest attention seeking. Who'd ever want to be involved in psychology or psychiatry.

 

[MoneyFX]

14 pages in and trollsville needs to rehash beating the chest attention seeking. Who'd ever want to be involved in psychology or psychiatry.

Just pointing it out man.

 

[Joker]

Tom Brady is better than peyton manning.

WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT!!!!

 

[ausbacker]

Just pointing it out man.

And I was just pointing out it was an attention seeking grab... man.

 

[efin98]

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Sometimes there's no need to be detailed when all the reasons have pretty much been covered already

 

[feldspar]

Sure, but if a QB throws 3 INTs in scoring position, he's far from blameless.

Like I said twice already, one of those INTs happened when the Colts chose to go for it on 4th and 13 on New England’s 30…that was a huge mistake IMO. That one doesn't count because it's equal to an incompletion, really. That leaves only two...and I can't remember the specifics of either. If Manning hit a receiver in the hands and the ball was deflected or something or that nature, that would leave only one, which isn't all that terrible. Did that happen or something where it wasn’t Manning’s fault? I don’t know, that was a long time ago. Do you remember, or are we making arguments in the dark?

Not totally, but mostly. There's still something to be said for the fact that he helped get them there (a lot to be said for that, actually), but every accomplishment gets diminished when you lose in the playoffs. Fans of the 2007 Pats probably know that better than anyone.

C’mon here with this statement. Brady did not have a good game. The reason why the Patriots won was because of their defense, namely Ty Law and Rodney Harrison. You can’t give Brady credit for making a difference in the game. I won’t accept that, and neither should you. Ironically, I just made a statement about how you shouldn’t underestimate Manning’s bringing his team to the playoffs consistently. Manning brought his team there more than Brady, and Manning has been the key always. But, what we are currently talking about is a separate issue.

...how? It would actually be like saying that Brady's losing the SB in 2007 was enough to wipe out the two games that they had previously won in the 2007 playoffs, which is about right. But no matter what happened in 2007, they still had the other 3 SBs. That's not even close to comparable, and you know that. Besides, if you look at the stats Brady didn't even have a bad game in the 2007 SB in the first place, so the entire point is irrelevant anyways.

However you want to make the spin is up to you. I didn't create the idea that one game can somehow cancel out a different one or two. Relatively bad QBs have won Super Bowls. Rex Grossman brought his team to one. The indicator of ability is not Super Bowl wins.

It's not an either/or. It's both.

It's not both. Again, the Pats defense won the game, two players in particular. Not making a boatload of mistake does not equal having a good game.

Brady had extremely little to do with the win. He was saved by the defense. How many times can Manning claim the same thing?

Yeah, but what did they ultimately get them? Any coach in the NFL would rather have a QB who doesn't turn it over than a QB who racks up TDs on the Broncos in the wildcard round then goes and chucks 3 INTs a game or two later. Why? Because you can throw for 4 TDs as many times as you want- if the goal is to win the SB, then you will fail every time when your QB plays as badly as Manning has on several occasions.

Dude, those great playoff games by Manning meant something. When you HAVE to score 38 points to win a playoff game and do so, you can't shirk that off. The Colts wouldn't have even been around for Manning to have had a bad game had he not had that game. Meanwhile, the Patriots went to the Super Bowl because of the defense that year, not because of Brady.

That's not to say that he's a bad QB, or that he can't win another SB, or anything like that. It's just saying that, to this point in his career, Manning has probably cost the Colts at least 1 SB because he turned the ball over too much in the postseason. Brady's had subpar playoff games, but he the Pats have never lost a playoff game because of him, because he very, very rarely makes bad decisions with the ball.

The Pats may not have lost a postseason game because of Brady, and I give him credit for that, but they managed to win several games despite him where he was nothing more than a game-manager.

 

[feldspar]

Let me get this straight: I'm a mental deficient attention-seeking troll from Barfalo that knows nothing about football because I think Manning is a more skilled QB than Brady?

...just checking. Anyone got a razor-blade?

 

[eagle eye]

Let me get this straight: I'm a mental deficient attention-seeking troll from Barfalo that knows nothing about football

Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.

because I think Manning is a more skilled QB than Brady?

No thats not the reason

...just checking. Anyone got a razor-blade?