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    No secret that Brady missed badly on about 6 balls that I can think of Sunday: his first 2 INT's, and at least four wide open receivers. Not all those passes were bad for the same reason, but at least twice I think I did see something.

    When the SD pass rush started to close in, the rushers did not go directly to where Brady was standing, but instead a yard or two to his right or left, especially to his right. They seemed to be anticipating his pocket movement, and wanted to take that away more than actually get to him.

    It seemed to throw him off his natural step and stride. The 2 or 3 times he badly underthrew receivers on the sidelines is when I noticed it. He started to step into the throw and then didn't take a normal full step, leading to an underthrow.
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    Add in the fact that Brady had the three lowliest WRs in the league trying to get open for him, and you are getting somewhere. And no running game.

    People always talk about Marty ball being so lame, yet Marty has managed to expose us badly every single time we have played them. If your theory is correct, then Marty has come up with another blueprint to get to Brady.

    It used to be by shutting down Twig.
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    Well I hope that they do something about it. DILLON, MARONEY, FAULK AND EVANS will be vital in this game, IMO. We need our RBs to step up big time.
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    That doesn't explain him missing wide open receivers. Once they're open, they're open whatever their name is.
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    He had a bad game, clearly. What do you want to do, trade him for somebody else?
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    :wha:

    We can discuss his imperfections without being deemed as someone who wants him benched :confused:
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    Of course not, but it's really irritating to see fans continuing to throw Caldwell, Gaffney etc under the bus to shield Brady from any criticism. These guys have stepped up, are playing well with Brady, getting open where and when he needs them to be open, but for some reason his accuracy is off this year.
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    YEAH, we can get a high first round pick for him...Sweet, let me call up the Raiders and see if they're interested. ;)
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    I think 5 rings is a little touchy today.
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    His first INT wasn't a bad throw, it was a bad read.
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    Brady has been erratic all year as far as missing on throws. I think its been a combination of the new, and downgraded recieving core, and I think his shoulder is injured. Remember in 2003 when Vinatieri was inconsistant on Field Goals and it came out he had an injured back? I think its something similar to that.
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    You would be wrong about that. I was responded to a guy that calls Brady names like prissy or whatever. In another thread he suggests that Brady is more bothered by things than other QBs. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    If you want to throw Brady under the bus for being off at times, than put your thinking cap on and examine the full year of football.

    Notice the lack of protection in many games. Notice all the hits Brady took. Notice his revolving door of skill players. Notice the running game is often MIA. Then notice that Brady had a solid season overall statistically.

    The problem here is that people are looking to throw Brady under the bus due to his circumstances without looking at the bigger picture. Brady had a bad game because he was rushing his throws, and may have felt uncomfortable the way the Chargers encroached on his pocket. That was the theory of this thred, after all.

    I guess according to you guys we should all just complain about Brady's play? I fail to see what the big problem with Brady having a bad game is. He tried too hard to get the ball out.

    Manning just had two bad games.
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    I hadn't seen the other posts. If I was wrong I apologize.
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    Look, I love Brady. At least as much as you I am sure. But he's not perfect and he lets things bother him. That doesn't make him less than great, it just makes him less than perfect - and, by the way, he is less than perfect.
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    Yes, a combination of events. As in Brady is doing the best he can under adverse circumstances, which some fans seem to not recognize.

    I would add in highly inconsistent protection to the mix.
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    1. J. Gaffney NE 207
    2. R. Brown PHI 149
    3. D. Clark IND 144
    4. D. Stallworth PHI 141
    5. R. Caldwell NE 130



    1. T. Brady NE 492
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    I think BB had him miss the open receivers on purpose so he could unleash a secret and impossible to stop Brady against the Colts. Chad Jackson factors heavily in this secret plan...
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    You need a little cheese with that whine. When you seriously overthrow or underthrow receivers it's the quarterbacks fault.

    When it's the receivers wrong cut, they get the glare from Tom.

    When Brady blows it, he puts both hands on his helmet as if to say "it was there, I blew it."

    I've seen a lot of that this year. Of course it's difficult breaking in new receivers.

    It's also fantastic that 2 of them are performing so well.

    Why not compare them to the great Chargers WRs?

    Brady's the best, but he's not Superman. The passing game is going pretty well, so why not quit the whining and watch the games?
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    You claim he lets things bother him MORE than other QBs (on another thread), and you would be 100% wrong on that.

    He is a winner, and he manages to win where all the other QBs can't pull it out. That is his whole well earned reputation, and it is truly a joke to see a Pats fan not understand that.

    You just fail to comprehend what Brady has struggled through this season, from start to finish.

    Yeah, he rushed his throws in the Chargers game. Yeah, he hasn't been on the same page as his offense this year at times. That is not a reflection on him being 'bothered' by things. It means he has faced a lot of challenges, for reasons we have discussed already. And he is doing as well as any QB could be expected to, if you stop and look at the circumstances.

    Saying that he isn't perfect is a red herring. You said that he is more bothered than other QBs. Like which QBs do you refer to that are less bothered than him? What QB would have done better this year on this Pats team? Or maybe in 2001? How about 2003? Remember that year? Dislocated shoulder, bursa sack injury to elbow, no running game at all, bad pass protection, toughest schedule.

    What QB is mentally tougher and less bothered than Brady? You claim they all are. :rolleyes:
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    Why don't you try and pay attention. You are putting facts out there that support the truth of the situation as I see it and then telling me I am wrong. Fact is that Brady has turned some bums off the street into the top WRs in the playoffs and that Brady is doing okay himself. Which is in support of me saying that Brady is doing fine.
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    I think I'm right, you think I'm wrong. I'm fine with that.
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    How would they know he would move? I mean if they were trying to get
    to his right or left but not getting to him why would he move? :confused:
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    I know you are wrong.

    Brady's legacy will be of a guy that overcame challenges, not one who was 'more bothered than the other QBs' by challenges.
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    I think they did something to pressure him, because he certainly rushed his throws.
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    I'm in China watching the game right now on ESPN - pretty cool to get that here in DongGuan. Anyway, I have a couple of observations about Tom's 'Crappy Play' on Sunday.

    #1 FIELD POSITION!!! are you kidding me...did you see that game? The Pats had NO running game and were constantly on their own 10 yard line for many of the first drives. In a hostile environment against a great team that is fresh from the Bi-Week and not having the run to go to, he was off absolutely, but given what he was dealing with 99.9% of all QB's would be. Brady just had issues getting them out of those constant holes and being heavily pressured. I think that is understandable considering the above circumstances. Remember, Brady takes what is given to him by the Defense and he got shiat in the first half!

    #2 51 ATTEMPTS!!! it is no secret why most offenses do not game plan with this many passes. Your offense becomes completely predictable. We ran the ball under 25 yards and won on the road! Digest that for a minute. That being said, 51 attempts in a hostile environment against one of the best, if not the best team in the NFL is just too much to ask from your QB who is not dealing with the most athletic guys at WR.

    #3 TE BLOCKING!!!! Many of Tom's weapons in the passing game this year have come at he TE position. He has had a good season with Watson and Graham has been great in clutch situations, but in this game, they were up at the line blocking and hold with the OL to give him extra time. This literally gave him 2-3 options to throw to - and again 51 times! He had Caldwell, Caffney and Brown...that was about it for weapons.

    #4 NO RUNNING GAME!!! See above...I think it safe to say that in every game you need a good balance of run vs. pass. This game was just about the pass.

    CONCLUSION = an amazing game by Brady and the OL and the WR's to work with what they had; horrible field position for most of the game, no running attack and few weapons to throw to.

    Overall, I think he played fantastic! He marched the team down the field at the end of both halfs...that is ALL YOU NEED BABY!!!
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    Nice post!

    Of course, I would be accused of whining if I asked all these HUGE BRADY FANS to use this same logic and review why Brady has struggled this season.

    Hell, a person would almost conclude that Brady has done the best he could this year and not been overly bothered by the huge adaptations he has had to make to turn some left overs into the top WRs in the playoffs.
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    You should apologize to them for calling them bums, simple as that.

    They're both talented receivers, rated higher than Branch in the same draft year, who've taken on a complicated defense in a year, and a 1/2 year to the extent they can be favorably compared to recent receivers with 4 years experience in the system.

    Brady has had a challenging year, but at this point must be ecstatic at how 2 of his receivers have responded. The rhythm has been on and off, but that's to be expected.

    I think you could really benefit from more fiber in your diet.
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    It appeared to distract him. He knows what to do with a guy coming at him up the middle. He's very good at avoiding those rushers. These guys were coming up the middle and angling to where they thought he'd move. The QB only has 1 eye on these rushers anyway, it's almost a 6th sense. It seemed to upset his comfort level and footwork. Hey, I may be way off, and it was his receivers running the wrong patterns.

    These receivers, though - Gaffney and Caldwell - have been nothing short of miraculous lately. They're both young, experienced, talented and signed thru next year. If Jackson's the real deal, we're in very good shape at WR next season, compared to what I thought a month ago.

    I was also happy to see Graham catch those two long seam routes. That's what we always hoped he could do.
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    Well, three INTs which were all his fault is hardly an amazing game. I guess that makes me a sucky fan.
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    Well, we're going to the AFC Championship game so Yeah, it does make you a sucky fan!

    Be grateful for what you got and stop wishing for more!

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